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#251
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Well if you think about it, synthesis makes things really cool. It allows for things like respawning stations around on planets. A copy of your code gets uploaded and voila, you get respawned when you die horribly. You simply rematerialize. The question remains whether they incorporate a small reconstruction fee or not. In a utopia I would think not, after all heroes shouldn't be penalized. Death? Shmeath!

 

We could be going to Andromeda to spread synthesis goodness.



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ARKCON could mean anything. And happen after endings as well. Endings won't make impact anyway, becouse we are faaaaar into the future and your decisions probably will end up in the similar way. Even synthesis *could* be explained and it would be welcome to see what actually happen after we get that "final form of evoluton". BW could choose canon ending as well. Anything can happen  :P



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lol synthesis being a good thing, as Saren was fully indoctrinated, I find the logic of "choosing" synthesis precarious at best.

I often question the very purpose of ME1 and stopping good old's Saren and his Cuttlefish buddy.

If synthesis was truly meant to happen and "inevitable" as the Reapers creator states.

What was the point of ME1? Saren wants a PERFECT union between man and machine. Being as one. The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither.

Saren wanted synthesis. We should have let him do it and just become one with the machines.

ME1 is pointless.

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Saren was indoctrinated. Synthesis is diffrent if we don't go into indoctrination theory. Saren btw wanted to join reapers, create an alliance, it's diffrent. Synthesis could happen only after catalyst. 



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Well if you think about it, synthesis makes things really cool. It allows for things like respawning stations around on planets. A copy of your code gets uploaded and voila, you get respawned when you die horribly. You simply rematerialize. The question remains whether they incorporate a small reconstruction fee or not. In a utopia I would think not, after all heroes shouldn't be penalized. Death? Shmeath!

 

We could be going to Andromeda to spread synthesis goodness.

 

I'm not sure that's the ultimate outcome of the blender, is it? 



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Saren was indoctrinated. Synthesis is diffrent if we don't go into indoctrination theory. Saren btw wanted to join reapers, create an alliance, it's diffrent. Synthesis could happen only after catalyst.


Yes. Only after the introduction of the Deus Ex Machina plot device was the Reaper threat solved.

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Yes. Only after the introduction of the Deus Ex Machina plot device was the Reaper threat solved.

 

That's been true in every ME game, at least with the way people usually use "deus ex machina" as a plot device. 



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lol synthesis being a good thing, as Saren was fully indoctrinated, I find the logic of "choosing" synthesis precarious at best.

I often question the very purpose of ME1 and stopping good old's Saren and his Cuttlefish buddy.

If synthesis was truly meant to happen and "inevitable" as the Reapers creator states.

What was the point of ME1? Saren wants a PERFECT union between man and machine. Being as one. The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither.

Saren wanted synthesis. We should have let him do it and just become one with the machines.

ME1 is pointless.

 

Because there was no guarantee that the Reapers actually wanted this as far as we could tell? Sure, if we believed the Reapers were actually interested in Synthesis, then fighting them was pointless. But as we saw with Saren's upgrades, that's strikingly different from what Synthesis actually achieves.

 

Sovereign tells us our future is empty. Saren, while indoctrinated, spouts out some fantasy about making ourselves useful to them, which is not guaranteed.



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ARKCON, with a big boat as a symbol, and a "Pathfinder" initiative pretty well speak for themselves. And BioWare has said over and over that they will not institute acanon galaxy-state.

Yea but still it could happen after ME3 endings. It would be still huge thing for all species to reach new galaxy, so they would create "Pathfinder" anyway. As far as i remember BW didn't say anything if they would choose canon ending or not. 



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That's been true in every ME game, at least with the way people usually use "deus ex machina" as a plot device.

The only other Deus Machina I can think of for Mass Effect was maybe the Reaper IFF, maybe the Saren hopper boss fight shutting down Sovies barriers, lol. I mean Shepard is actually a kind of Deus Ex Machina in and of itself, lol.

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That's been true in every ME game, at least with the way people usually use "deus ex machina" as a plot device. 

The Catalyst s  literally a Deus Ex Machina (god from the machine).

 

 

Yea but still it could happen after ME3 endings. It would be still huge thing for all species to reach new galaxy, so they would create "Pathfinder" anyway. As far as i remember BW didn't say anything if they would choose canon ending or not. 

Yes they said it.

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They'll just pretend ME3 didn't happen, lol.

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If they take player choice so seriously, then i want to see them dealing with endings and not denying them.


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Branching off an idea that I dig from another poster on here: firing the Crucible created an accidental wormhole to Andromeda that unintentionally transported nearby ships and individuals to the new galaxy. It eliminates the "ran away from the Reapers" mentality and ensures a wide variety of personalities would be there, some who embrace the challenge and others who "didn't ask for this".


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I don't see how it cheapens Shepard. Shepard isn't needed to build the ark, if there is one. Shepard is needed to win the war. There are lots of things that people in high-level military positions don't know, and let's be honest, Shepard is important, but her rank isn't that high. It could easily just be above her pay grade. And isn't it pretty well-established that if there is an Ark the Asari are behind it? It's the Asari who mention the plans to be made and continuity of civilization. There's just no reason to tell Shepard.

 

Juhuu :( - the super secretive Asari again (sorry, but I am still pissed of that they had the gall to keep secrets themselves (the Prothean beacon in the temple with the VI inside) while telling the other races that Prothean stuff needs to be shared -.-)

 

greeting LAX

ps: It's unrealistic that Sheppard never got promoted (after reaching spectre status she should have at least become a captain!), too

 

Still, I agree that he/she didn't need to be told and secret projects are need to know after all

 

Oh, I like the idea that the crucible (via the mass relays) creates a wormhole (maybe not only one!) that gets people to Andromeda!



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If they take player choice so seriously, then i want to see them dealing with endings and not denying them.

 

While I didn't like the ending(s), I agree they should have to face the blunder they've made :(

 

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If they take player choice so seriously, then i want to see them dealing with endings and not denying them.

 

Of course, this is easy to say when none of us are the ones who have to deal with that burden. We tell Bioware to do X, but we're not the ones who deal with backlash from players unsatisfied because of the import mechanic. We also don't deal with the fact that with each successive installment, it becomes increasingly more difficult to account for imports.

 

If people really want Bioware to account for all these variations, fine. But I'd love to see what they're willing to sacrifice in exchange. Can the campaign be super short? Can there be no side quests? Will players shell out for a $70 or $80 game? All factors to consider.


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Will players shell out for a $70 or $80 game?

To be honest, that's still a bargain.

With inflation, games should be being charged at about $100, but game companies didn't follow the inflation and kept it at $60. 


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To be honest, that's still a bargain.

With inflation, games should be being charged at about $100, but game companies didn't follow the inflation and kept it at $60. 

 

Oh I don't think you're wrong on at that point. It's just something that I tend to note is that I see gamers constantly reference how they "already" have to pay $60 per game. Often times this is in conjunction with how they feel any/all dlc is completely wrong, even though dlc can be viewed as an alternative to raising game prices.

 

Bioware could certainly raise the price of ME:A and I would understand completely, but as the first company to cross that line, I suspect they'd come under massive fire.



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So an Alternative to the Ark Theory is that Milky Way and Andromeda collide and that is how we get to Andromeda 



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So an Alternative to the Ark Theory is that Milky Way and Andromeda collide and that is how we get to Andromeda

Too bad that happens 4 billion years from now.

So....no.

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I think it further cheapen the  reapers, which the incompetence seems beyond any comprehension, it cheapens Shepard who clearly didn't know about it, it hurt the original trilogy as you would be out of the loop in a major aspect of the war and at worst is just more prothean technology saving the day.

So that's why I'd like to ask you about alternatives to the ark theory. Or a variation of it that fix those problems I posted. Any ideas?

Before giving you or anybody any idea about a variation of the ark theory, let me remind you of something: in the army (or any military force for that matter), ALL THE INFORMATION IS COMPARTIMENTALIZED. What a General or Admiral knows is of no bussiness of its subordinates. Shepard was/is just a Commander (or Frigate captain), a rank far below Admiral, and Admiral Hacket is far below in chain of command from the commander in chief, from which we know nothing of.

 

For Shepard to not know a thing from his/her superiors is not cheaping him/her in the least. If anything, is just having a bit of realism.

 

Now, about variations...well...the "ark" concept could be several smaller ships with seeds, plants, animals and setient species from the citadel traveling through a wormhole. It would make sense and would use far less resources than building a gigantic ship from scratch.


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Evolution.



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Before giving you or anybody any idea about a variation of the ark theory, let me remind you of something: in the army (or any military force for that matter), ALL THE INFORMATION IS COMPARTIMENTALIZED. What a General or Admiral knows is of no bussiness of its subordinates. Shepard was/is just a Commander (or Frigate captain), a rank far below Admiral, and Admiral Hacket is far below in chain of command from the commander in chief, from which we know nothing of.

 

For Shepard to not know a thing from his/her superiors is not cheaping him/her in the least. If anything, is just having a bit of realism.

 

Now, about variations...well...the "ark" concept could be several smaller ships with seeds, plants, animals and setient species from the citadel traveling through a wormhole. It would make sense and would use far less resources than building a gigantic ship from scratch.

Fair enough, except that is the kind of information that someone who is dealing with the future of all species in the galaxy ought to know. 


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Saren was indoctrinated. Synthesis is diffrent if we don't go into indoctrination theory. Saren btw wanted to join reapers, create an alliance, it's diffrent. Synthesis could happen only after catalyst.


We fought trought 3 games to ensure diversity and choice just to pick the oposite in the end!