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[Dean_the_Young]

Really? Shepard pops up her omnitool and says 'here's the coordinates to the crucible project'. Nothing about referring to other people to give him the location

 

https://youtu.be/nguicTLV8iQ?t=2m30s

 

Really what- that it wouldn't be easy, or that it wouldn't be called networking?

 

I could point out a few different things here- that Bioware was really sloppy on anything approaching operational security from ME1 onward, that 'project' doesn't mean 'construction yard' or a centralized location in particular, and so on- but your post that I replied to has an easy answer. You don't need to know (or share) the coordinates for a secret project in order to get people to the secret project.

[Feybrad]

Why does everyone think the ARK has to be something from an official Organisation? I'm pretty sure that there are enough private Sponsors with the necessary Money - like, for only one Example, the Trace Princes of Ilium - to build an Ark, that would be a Generation or Sleeper Ship, that could serve as their private Project to escape the Reapers if Things get serious. No need to have Shepard involved at all or even make it a Project as resource-eating as the Crucible. I like to imagine, that it is actually not a large Group of People that makes it to Andromeda at all.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It has to be a large enough group of each race that is involved to viably sustain their populations.

[Dean_the_Young]

It has to be a large enough group of each race that is involved to viably sustain their populations.

 

I half-expect that we'll find that it was part of a Cerberus back-up plan, the more legitimate Sanctuary.

 

If you look at the ARKCON patch, you can actually see it half of a modified Cerberus symbol. It'd be right up their alley too.

[Drone223]

The ark project may also not be a colossal construction project. It is entirely possible that they just retrofitted existing ships to make the journey to Andromeda.

There is no way an ark project can be a small scale one. Even if retrofitted ships are used it'd still require a large amounts of manpower/resources to get them retrofitted in the first place in addition to the resources needed to establish a new colony. Seeing as how the galaxy is practically committing all of its resources to the reaper war/crucible there is no way an ark project will be able to get started in the first place.

 

 

With that in mind, Shepard not being in the know about an ark project doesn't bother me. It makes sense, and really there is no reason why he should be briefed.

An ark project would be very demanding in man power and resources and rumors of its existence would begin to spread and Shepard would eventually hear of such rumors.

[Steppenwolf]

Shepard already knew the coordinates to the crucible otherwise how would he/she know where to send Mordin? So I wouldn't be worried about Shepard leaking the location of the ark/ship/whatever project if he/she was told about the project.

That would only be relevant if this Ark project began well after the Crucible project and only if the people running it needed very little persuading.

[Han Shot First]

There is no way an ark project can be a small scale one. Even if retrofitted ships are used it'd still require a large amounts of manpower/resources to get them retrofitted in the first place in addition to the resources needed to establish a new colony. Seeing as how the galaxy is practically committing all of its resources to the reaper war/crucible there is no way an ark project will be able to get started in the first place.

 

An ark project would be very demanding in man power and resources and rumors of its existence would begin to spread and Shepard would eventually hear of such rumors.

 

The Crucible was a large project and a drain on resources, but it couldn't have accounted for 100% of the galaxy's war time production. There is no reason why the ark project and the Crucible couldn't coexist.  

 

It is also entirely believable that Shepard wouldn't know about the ark project. There is no reason why he would need to know about it, and using the example of the Manhattan Project...Truman, MacArthur, and Nimitz all spent at least three years completely unaware of its existence. Each was only briefed of its existence within the last few months of the Second World War.

[Drone223]

The Crucible was a large project and a drain on resources, but it couldn't have accounted for 100% of the galaxy's war time production. There is no reason why the ark project and the Crucible couldn't coexist.  

 

The Specter terminal clearly states that the reaper war and crucible project would bankrupt the galaxy within a year, there is no way an ark project would be able to done along side the crucible.

 

It is also entirely believable that Shepard wouldn't know about the ark project. There is no reason why he would need to know about it, and using the example of the Manhattan Project...Truman, MacArthur, and Nimitz all spent at least three years completely unaware of its existence. Each was only briefed of its existence within the last few months of the Second World War.

 

 

An ark project is going to have thousands and thousands of people involved it'd be easily infiltrated by Cerberus, STG and the shadow brokers agents. Since Liara is the shadow broker by ME3 she would've learned of the projects existence.

[themikefest]

That would only be relevant if this Ark project began well after the Crucible project and only if the people running it needed very little persuading.

What persuading would those people need?

[Han Shot First]

The Specter terminal clearly states that the reaper war and crucible project would bankrupt the galaxy within a year, there is no way an ark project would be able to done along side the crucible.

 

 

The Spectre terminal message never mentions the Crucible. It only mentions military spending, without going into specifics on expenditures:

 

This financial report is for top-level embassy access only. According to financial estimates from First Irune Investment Trusts, a division of Elkoss Combine, the Citadel races cannot sustain the cost of the war effort for more than one year. Although military spending has stimulated certain market sectors, shortages and rationing in other areas has depressed the financial system. Civilian discretionary spending has fallen except in entertainment areas like escapist vids or drinking. First Irune is borrowing heavily to provide funds for key functions across the Citadel, but if the war does not end within the next year, galactic financial collapse is inevitable.

 

 

 

An ark project is going to have thousands and thousands of people involved it'd be easily infiltrated by Cerberus, STG and the shadow brokers agents. Since Liara is the shadow broker by ME3 she would've learned of the projects existence.

 

Not necessarily.

 

The Manhattan Project would eventually involve around 130,000 people. It remained a secret throughout much of the war including to high level personnel within the U.S. government and military.

 

Actually the fact that Cerberus and the Shadow Broker seemed to be omniscient was itself a bit of a stretch. Even the most efficient intelligence agencies in the real world, never know entirely what rival nations are up to. It would be somewhat realistic if the Council managed to keep something secret.

[themikefest]

 

An ark project is going to have thousands and thousands of people involved it'd be easily infiltrated by Cerberus, STG and the shadow brokers agents. Since Liara is the shadow broker by ME3 she would've learned of the projects existence.

Why would she know about the project? She never knew about the artifact on Thessia

[Drone223]

The Spectre terminal message never mentions the Crucible. It only mentions military spending, without going into specifics on expenditures:

 

This financial report is for top-level embassy access only. According to financial estimates from First Irune Investment Trusts, a division of Elkoss Combine, the Citadel races cannot sustain the cost of the war effort for more than one year. Although military spending has stimulated certain market sectors, shortages and rationing in other areas has depressed the financial system. Civilian discretionary spending has fallen except in entertainment areas like escapist vids or drinking. First Irune is borrowing heavily to provide funds for key functions across the Citadel, but if the war does not end within the next year, galactic financial collapse is inevitable.

 

You have to keep in mind in addition to the terminal entry there is also the codex entry regarding the crucible.

 

"What is clear is that the Crucible's construction is a massive effort, drawing resources from throughout explored space. Staggering financial costs have been disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that can stop the Reapers."

 

So its quite clear that the scale of the crucible is enough to cause economic collapse.

 

 

Not necessarily.

 

The Manhattan Project would eventually involve around 130,000 people. It remained a secret throughout much of the war including to high level personnel within the U.S. government and military.

 

Actually the fact that Cerberus and the Shadow Broker seemed to be omniscient was itself a bit of a stretch. Even the most efficient intelligence agencies in the real world, never know entirely what rival nations are up to. It would be somewhat realistic if the Council managed to keep something secret.

 

Seeing as how rumors of the crucible were spreading before it was even finished and how an ark project would most likely be on a similar scale to the crucible an ark project wouldn't fair much better.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard never knew about the Citadel Archives either until the Citadel DLC. lol. And Shepard never knew that the Council was actually taking the reaper threat seriously all along, but just shining her on because of her association with Cerberus, an enemy of the Council. What's to say they weren't doing something?

 

Going by the information that the different races had on how old the Reapers could have been - top secret information from their archives - and how many cycles there were, the Council very well could have seen there was no way they could have built a sufficient number of ships to defeat them. So the next best thing was to build a way of saving as many people as possible - ARKCON: an enormous project to get the hell out of the galaxy when the reapers invaded.

 

So if this project was started during the time Shepard was dead, there are some good reasons why they would not have informed Shepard about the project. I don't think Cerberus would have sabotaged this project either, but rather assisted with it in a covert manner. They would want to survive the invasion as well despite The Illusive Man's plan for galactic domination.

 

Control of information can be very tight. Like leaking information could  be punishable by having your family killed in front of your eyes.

[AlanC9]

Seeing as how rumors of the crucible were spreading before it was even finished and how an ark project would most likely be on a similar scale to the crucible an ark project wouldn't fair much better.

We don't know enough about the ark technology to know that.

[Steppenwolf]

What persuading would those people need?

What persuading would the people in charge of the Ark project need to involve a known Cerberus operative that's been exposed to more Reaper tech than anyone else in the galaxy? Gee, let me think...

[Drone223]

We don't know enough about the ark technology to know that.

Except that intergalactic travel is impossible with the current (trilogy) technology and scientist have no understanding on how reaper core's work since they break the laws of physics.

[blahblahblah]

[quote name="Drone223" post="19412075" timestamp="1436687073"]Except that intergalactic travel is impossible with the current (trilogy) technology and scientist have no understanding on how reaper core's work since they break the laws of physics.[/
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Meh, we made a freaking Thanix Cannon out of Sovereign's main gun for less than a year.

[Drone223]

Meh, we made a freaking Thanix Cannon out of Sovereign's main gun for less than a year.

Not a good comparison a reaper core is much more complex and harder to understand than the thanix cannon since scientist don't understand of reapers work since they violate the known laws of physics. There is no way it can be reversed engineered in three years, it takes several decades to understand how the thing works and most likely centuries to reverse engineer.

[blahblahblah]

Not a good comparison a reaper core is much more complex and harder to understand than the thanix cannon since scientist don't understand of reapers work since they violate the known laws of physics. There is no way it can be reversed engineered in three years, it takes several decades to understand how the thing works and most likely centuries to reverse engineer.

Lol, it's just the same and seriously everything that is related in mass effect breaks any laws of physics. Stop that double-standards.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lol, it's just the same and seriously everything that is related in mass effect breaks any laws of physics. Stop that double-standards.

That isn't a double-standard.

There are many things involving Mass Effects that fall under a new understanding of physics in the MEU. Reaper Drives break even those laws. 

[blahblahblah]

That isn't a double-standard.
There are many things involving Mass Effects that fall under a new understanding of physics in the MEU. Reaper Drives break even those laws.

Lol, biotics, FTL, indoctrination, element zero, Lazarus Project and Crucible? So space magic is now a law of physics.

[The Heretic of Time]

Branching off an idea that I dig from another poster on here: firing the Crucible created an accidental wormhole to Andromeda that unintentionally transported nearby ships and individuals to the new galaxy.  It eliminates the "ran away from the Reapers" mentality and ensures a wide variety of personalities would be there, some who embrace the challenge and others who "didn't ask for this".

 

Best theory I've seen so far. I like this a lot more than the whole "contingency plan" bull.

 

It's not even that far fetched either. We see the same thing happening to the Normandy, who gets sucked into something that looks like a wormhole and crashes on a random unexplored planet somewhere in the galaxy. The very same thing is bound to happen to a lot of other ships and it's not that much of a stretch to think that some of these ships might be stranded in the Andromeda galaxy.

 

But how would ARKCON fit in all this? Simple. I don't think the ARKCON was set up as a means to reach Andromeda. On the contrary, I think ARKCON was setup by the people stranded in Andromeda who want to build an ark to go back to the Milky Way.

[themikefest]

What persuading would the people in charge of the Ark project need to involve a known Cerberus operative that's been exposed to more Reaper tech than anyone else in the galaxy? Gee, let me think...

Apparently that known Cerberus operative was trusted with knowing the location of the crucible to send supplies and people. 

[AlleyD]

Branching off an idea that I dig from another poster on here: firing the Crucible created an accidental wormhole to Andromeda that unintentionally transported nearby ships and individuals to the new galaxy.  It eliminates the "ran away from the Reapers" mentality and ensures a wide variety of personalities would be there, some who embrace the challenge and others who "didn't ask for this".

 

I also think that the Crucible deployment provides a better solution to establishing how M/W species end up in Andromeda. I don't think the Wormhole part is needed though. Mass Effect relays work in tandem, one side imposing massive acceleration- the other side imposing a braking or deceleration effect.

 

The Crucible wave was powerful enough to overload the Mass Relays over the entire galactic network. I think it is logical to assume that it was powerful enough to override the braking effects of these relays, causing any any ship caught in it to be swept along  (or surf the leading edge of the wave) until the wave is dissipated by natural forces