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[XEternalXDreamsX]

Hmmm.

I know this sounds irrational because it's not the whole situation. Just hear me out.

If both companies released the SAME exact game, except their post release content/DLC was each company's module, which is better for you?

[Majestic Jazz]

What are you on about with the "government"? You've got to take that up with another poster, because I'm talking about the basics of development costs.

I'm not "defending" Bioware. If you think they're not offering value, that's fine. I'm just telling you it's not an apple to apples comparison. You can't possibly ignore how currency works when you're comparing how much content you're being offered. It's just outright cheaper for CDPR to produce content.

More importantly, though, why do you think CDPR is staffed with idiots? It makes no sense to sell the game for less than market value just because it costs them less to make it. No gaming company is a non-profit charity. CDPR has lower development costs so they can make extensive profits relative to companies that have their labour force based in NA.

My point is that because CDPR has cheaper dev cost....they are able to produce more content at a cheaper price, like offering more for $25 than what Bioware has with $20.

If that were the case, then why did they sell the game at $60 then? Since they have lower dev cost and can produce more for less money, why not just sell the game at $40 or $50?

[robertthebard]

Well, if they support being nickle and dimed by EA for excluding content from a larger DLC to sell separately in another DLC then I guess that is on them.
 
Just don't come back and complain as to why the industry is exploiting the consumers through micro transactions and small item DLC packs that in many ways should have been included in the vanilla game.

I'll tell ya' what, when you're paying my bills, and all my MMO subs, you can tell me whether or not I should be buying any DLC for my SP games. Until then, shut up.

[Majestic Jazz]

I'll tell ya' what, when you're paying my bills, and all my MMO subs, you can tell me whether or not I should be buying any DLC for my SP games. Until then, shut up.

 

I'll tell ya' what, go back to my post and point out where I specifically told you or anyone else whether or not they should be buying DLC or not. I simply gave my opinion on my belief that the value does not match the price Bioware is throwing out especially when other developers (not just CDPR) releases DLC content for similar price but with more content. Yes, I posted a picture of sheep, but again, find where I said that people SHOULD NOT buy certain DLC. Until then, shut up.

[DAO MAdhatter]

I'll tell ya' what, go back to my post and point out where I specifically told you or anyone else whether or not they should be buying DLC or not. I simply gave my opinion on my belief that the value does not match the price Bioware is throwing out especially when other developers (not just CDPR) releases DLC content for similar price but with more content. Yes, I posted a picture of sheep, but again, find where I said that people SHOULD NOT buy certain DLC. Until then, shut up.

I just love it when these kinds of people ruin threads. It makes me wonder more & more why I keep coming back to these forums. *facepalm*

[In Exile]

My point is that because CDPR has cheaper dev cost....they are able to produce more content at a cheaper price, like offering more for $25 than what Bioware has with $20.

If that were the case, then why did they sell the game at $60 then? Since they have lower dev cost and can produce more for less money, why not just sell the game at $40 or $50?

 

Like I said: because they're not stupid. Let's say widgets sell at 50$, and it costs you 10$ to make it instead of 20$ like everyone else. You're really sure you've made one of the best widgets on the market - way better than your competitor's widgets. Why would you sell it for less than the market, when you could pocket the profit? 

[Petiertje]

CDPR saved the world! Hallelujah!

Hmm, don't think they did. 

As a note, I did buy The Witcher 2 and didn't even finish it, and not bought TW3 at all.

So, to each his/her own i guess?

[We'll bang okay]

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[Bizantura]

Hmm, don't think they did. 

As a note, I did buy The Witcher 2 and didn't even finish it, and not bought TW3 at all.

So, to each his/her own i guess?

Luckely the witcher 3 is nothing like witcher 2.  It's actually a good RPG.

 

I find the putting down of Bioware sad.  DAI is a good game I enjoy playing.  I hope Bioware and CDPR do well = more playing fun for me.

Besides I don't find the gameplay comparable, they may be both RPG's but with diverse gameplay mechanics.

 

Buying dlc is a personal matter and hinting other people are sheeple because of willingnes to buy is simply rude.  

[correctamundo]

Really? So you are using the Polish government as your excuse as to why CDPR is executing DLC better than Bioware?
 
Fact is, for a $25 value, one is expected to get more content (30+ hours of story content plus new weapons and armor). Then on DAI's side for $20 you get 10-15 hours of "story" content and some armor and weapons.
 
I guess because of the Polish government right?
 
 



 
No, but they are offering more content for the buck.

It doesn't matter how much content cdpr will give me in the future if I preorder today. It will hardly help my Qunari inquisitor now will it?

[Karlone123]

Luckely the witcher 3 is nothing like witcher 2.  It's actually a good RPG.

 

I find the putting down of Bioware sad.  DAI is a good game I enjoy playing.  I hope Bioware and CDPR do well = more playing fun for me.

Besides I don't find the gameplay comparable, they may be both RPG's but with diverse gameplay mechanics.

 

Buying dlc is a personal matter and hinting other people are sheeple because of willingnes to buy is simply rude.  

 

Indeed it is a personal matter yet others think they should make it their own business into telling other people not what to buy.

[c0bra951]

Like I said: because they're not stupid. Let's say widgets sell at 50$, and it costs you 10$ to make it instead of 20$ like everyone else. You're really sure you've made one of the best widgets on the market - way better than your competitor's widgets. Why would you sell it for less than the market, when you could pocket the profit? 

 

So many don't seem to understand that the price of goods is only loosely related to the cost of producing them.  If the market will bear $60 AAA games, then that's what they will be sell for, whether each copy cost $7 or $70 to produce and ship.  (In the latter case, the dev and distributor won't be in business for long.)

[Zatche]

So many don't seem to understand that the price of goods is only loosely related to the cost of producing them.  If the market will bear $60 AAA games, then that's what they will be sell for, whether each copy cost $7 or $70 to produce and ship.  (In the latter case, the dev and distributor won't be in business for long.)

 

There's also the marketing angle of pricing goods. A game that sells for $40 on release would likely be perceived as having a smaller scope than the typical $60 AAA game. Free DLC, on the other hand, gets CDPR goodwill with the fanbase, without compromising how the fans see the game as epic.

[Majestic Jazz]

Like I said: because they're not stupid. Let's say widgets sell at 50$, and it costs you 10$ to make it instead of 20$ like everyone else. You're really sure you've made one of the best widgets on the market - way better than your competitor's widgets. Why would you sell it for less than the market, when you could pocket the profit?

I understand that, and if that were the case, then why not apply the same logic to their DLC?

It doesn't matter how much content cdpr will give me in the future if I preorder today. It will hardly help my Qunari inquisitor now will it?

No, but if you ask me, Bioware should have included Qunari armor in vanilla DAI especially considering how they knew people would want to play as Qunari for the first time. Instead, they wait 8 months AFTER release to finally include it. I am not going to praise Bioware with my money over something that should have been included in the base game 8 months ago.

This type of consumer behavior is what encourages publishers and developers into doing such things. At the end of the day, they know people will still buy it.

[Toasted Llama]

I understand that, and if that were the case, then why not apply the same logic to their DLC?

 

Because the free marketing they get, like right now on the BSN? Which means they'll sell more basegame copies?

 

Plus: DLC aint necessary to play the base game, but the base game is necessary to play the DLC, so to be able to take benefit from the cheap DLC you have to buy the basegame first. That's where their main profit comes from.

 

Marketing 101 man...

 

 

I mean gamer and Bioware fan asside, as a consumer, dont you think it was cheap for Spoils of the Avaar to not be content that came with Jaws of Hakkon? The same seems like it may happen again with Spoils of the Qunari.

I mean think about it....for $20 total you got an item pack in Spoils of the Avaar and a 10-15 hour zone in Jaws of Hakkon. That is like 1/3rd of the full game price and you are only getting no more than 15 hours of quest content with some new gear.

With the Witcher 3 season pass of $25, you get two expansions that will total about 30 hours of story and CDPR is hinting that it could actually be way more then that. Plus with the level increase, there will be new items such as weapons and armor ALL INCLUDED. Again all for $25. Thats also not to mention the free DLC such as alternate outfits, armor, weapons, mini game gwent cards, and quest that are being released.

I will just wait for when all the DAI DLC is discounted like it will eventually be before I purchase any DAI DLC.

 

Also; LOL at the idea that amount of hours = a game's/content's worth.

 

I care more about how much fun I'm having in 1 hour than how many hours in total I've wasted. Especially when I've only got 1 life with a limited amount of time.

 

Combined with how much money I have to spend, pricetags on content becomes a very personal and subjective thing.

[Majestic Jazz]

Because the free marketing they get, like right now on the BSN? Which means they'll sell more basegame copies?

Plus: DLC aint necessary to play the base game, but the base game is necessary to play the DLC, so to be able to take benefit from the cheap DLC you have to buy the basegame first. That's where their main profit comes from.

Marketing 101 man...



Also; LOL at the idea that amount of hours = a game's/content's worth.

I care more about how much fun I'm having in 1 hour than how many hours in total I've wasted. Especially when I've only got 1 life with a limited amount of time.

Combined with how much money I have to spend, pricetags on content becomes a very personal and subjective thing.

And how does this explain Bioware selling us content that should have been included in the base game 8 months ago?

[Toasted Llama]

And how does this explain Bioware selling us content that should have been included in the base game 8 months ago?

 

Wow.

 

 

Woooow.

 

 

Feeling a little entitled, are we?

[Majestic Jazz]

Wow.


Woooow.


Feeling a little entitled, are we?

So that makes me an entitled consumer? The fact that Qunari had little unique armor in the game and now Bioware wants to charge us for it?

[Toasted Llama]

So that makes me an entitled consumer? The fact that Qunari had little unique armor in the game and now Bioware wants to charge us for it?

 

You're complaining about it. That's why you're entitled. What's the problem with it, hm?

 

Are content creators no longer allowed to make EXTRA content because there was popular demand for it and then charge money for those who want to have it?

 

Supply and demand, have you ever heard of that?

[Majestic Jazz]

You're complaining about it. That's why you're entitled. What's the problem with it, hm?

 

Are content creators no longer allowed to make EXTRA content because there was popular demand for it and then charge money for those who want to have it?

 

Supply and demand, have you ever heard of that?

 

You really are naive aren't you?

 

Yes, Qunari armor is popular by demand because Bioware FAILED to include it in the vanilla game. Humans, Elves, and even Dwarves had a substantial amount of armor options (Humans/Elves more than anyone) while Qunari had VERY little. So now that Bioware is coming back 8 months later and charging us for content is just pathetic. It is not extra content in that it should have been there from the very beginning. Bioware failed to keep balance and offer players Qunari armor in the base game so they solve this problem by charging us for it 8 months later?

 

That is like me ordering something online in which this package contains many contents. However some core and needed content is missing so I complain about it and 8 months later the company offers to sell me that content for $5. Again, this isn't extra content in which it was never needed for the original order, no, this is content that was supposed to be in the original order but for whatever reasons, wasn't.

 

Again, it is the naive thought process of yours which explains why developers and publishers take advantage of the DLC model because they know people like you will defend it by calling it "extra" content when it was supposed to be there from the get go. People weren't able to enjoy their Qunari characters because there was VERY LITTLE armor for them in comparison to the other races. This Qunari DLC should be free as it is fixing a previous problem. But again, I am the entitled one....

 

 

If I were to use your logic, then I guess Bioware can get release DA4 with 2 armor sets and then charge us for more armor later on? I mean....it would be "extra" content that is "popular by demand" am I not correct?

[robertthebard]

And how does this explain Bioware selling us content that should have been included in the base game 8 months ago?

You know, if they were trying to pawn this off as day 1 DLC, you might have a point. As it is, the original base game didn't even include a Qunari protagonist. Those didn't get introduced until they got that extra year, along with all the other races that were added in. Since this isn't day 1 DLC, you have no basis for your argument. By your logic, there should never be any DLC introduced ever, since someone could do exactly what you're doing now: Claiming it could have been included with the base game.

[prosthetic soul]

For the love of God!

 

While I probably would have worded it in a nicer manner, and certainly not insinuated people were sheep for choosing to buy the DLC, Jazz is entirely in the right here.  CDPR gave us 16 FREE DLC for buying The Witcher 3.  All in the span of 16 weeks IMMEDIATELY AFTER the game was released.  And no, I don't give a rat's ass if they're funded by the government or not.  That has no bearing and no relevance to the issue.  Who the fripping cares if they're funded by the government?  Why does that even MATTER? 

 

Are you seriously implying that Bioware is so destitute that they absolutely can't bear to get by without those extra dollars from nickel and diming us with this outrageous DLC?  Please.  They're owned by EA.  Their stock is through the roof currently.  I'm sure they're doing just fine without this ridiculous and corrupt business practice.

 

Meanwhile, Bioware has the nerve to charge us 5 bucks a pop for cosmetic items a whopping 7-8 months after the game is released, knowing full well the game itself is already lacking in content from the day it was put on the market.  And you people have the audacity to sit there and defend this bullcrap?  **** outta here!

[prosthetic soul]

You're complaining about it. That's why you're entitled. What's the problem with it, hm?

 

Are content creators no longer allowed to make EXTRA content because there was popular demand for it and then charge money for those who want to have it?

 

Supply and demand, have you ever heard of that?

I believe it's entitled to ask customers for more money after we so graciously spent our hard earned cash to buy their game.  Shouldn't Bioware be grateful we bought their game in the first place?  Shouldn't they reward us for supporting them?  Instead of....I don't know, sapping us of more money?  That sounds like entitlement more than anything.

[BronzTrooper]

So, the DLC is supposed to launch on my b-day (21st) and I can't get it because I'm on last-gen.........

 

Damn it........