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Wait, so 16 little item/aesthetic DLC in 16 weeks? why does that continue to make me think all those free DLC were already made and good to go before the game was released. If that's true it means they withheld it from the base game solely to throw out as publicised free DLC. *shakes head* wow witcher, wow.. Sorry but I personally prefer item dlc's being spread out over months so I know my theorising there actually didn't happen. Bioware could put a bit more effort and items into its item packs for DAi though, they're rather.. disappointingly empty, which annoys me a little. Where's my weapons to make the armours a set huh!?

 

Yes I own and play both TW3 and DAi and... shock horror I actually enjoy them both :lol:

even when insulting both of them at once about their dlc.

 

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Shout out to the guy who said "stop with all the economics crap" when discussing the economics of the situation.

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I understand that, and if that were the case, then why not apply the same logic to their DLC?

 

What do you mean? They are applying that same logic to DLC. They're selling DLC at market rates while producing it on the cheap. 



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The process of selling extra content in DLC started with oblivion and horse armour which was popular. Maybe it was cut content, but cut because they did not have the time to add it to the game or it wasn't finished or didnt work.

 

The game works fine without the item packs, they're optional extras.

 

Perhaps we should be annoyed at the industry trend of story dlc instead of expansion packs.



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Wait, so 16 little item/aesthetic DLC in 16 weeks? why does that continue to make me think all those free DLC were already made and good to go before the game was released. 

 

I could say the same for DA2 and ME3 Sebastian/Javik DLC.

 

Ah no, I got charged for them.


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Hey, everyone! For those of you with the Qunari pack, anyone have the schematic for the type of material, type and quantity of material for each armor?

Edit, PS: Reason that I ask because it will pretty much determine buying it. Unique set-up and all would be cool but if it doesn't offer much, I might pass on the 21st.

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You really are naive aren't you?

 

Yes, Qunari armor is popular by demand because Bioware FAILED to include it in the vanilla game. Humans, Elves, and even Dwarves had a substantial amount of armor options (Humans/Elves more than anyone) while Qunari had VERY little. So now that Bioware is coming back 8 months later and charging us for content is just pathetic. It is not extra content in that it should have been there from the very beginning. Bioware failed to keep balance and offer players Qunari armor in the base game so they solve this problem by charging us for it 8 months later?

 

 

 

I've trimmed that a little, but I thought it worth interjecting here. 

 

I'm one of those who has been most vocal about wanting Qunari armour combos, on here. I didn't get hold of the DLC before it vanished from the Xbox Marketplace, but I fully intend to pick it up when it returns.

 

Why? 

 

Because I accept that the limitation for Qunari in Inquisition came from their being the Race to be added last of all. They were the bonus Bioware gave us for having extra development time. 

 

You can argue the toss over whether or not it should have been included for free, all you like. This is not content which was just unfinished, or delayed from the original product. It content which is being added by request. It's new. It's clearly not yet finished. hence it being pulled.

 

If they want to charge for it? Fine. They similar did for DA2. And just like DA2 you don't have to buy it if it doesn't interest you. 


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I've trimmed that a little, but I thought it worth interjecting here. 
 
I'm one of those who has been most vocal about wanting Qunari armour combos, on here. I didn't get hold of the DLC before it vanished from the Xbox Marketplace, but I fully intend to pick it up when it returns.
 
Why? 
 
Because I accept that the limitation for Qunari in Inquisition came from their being the Race to be added last of all. They were the bonus Bioware gave us for having extra development time. 
 
You can argue the toss over whether or not it should have been included for free, all you like. This is not content which was just unfinished, or delayed from the original product. It content which is being added by request. It's new. It's clearly not yet finished. hence it being pulled.
 
If they want to charge for it? Fine. They similar did for DA2. And just like DA2 you don't have to buy it if it doesn't interest you.


You are still defending Bioware.

This "Qunari was added last" argument is weak. You know why? Cause it was announced....around August of 2013 that Qunari along with Elves and Dwarves were added....August 2013!

If DAI launched November 2013 then your argument would be valid and I would eat crow. But it didnt release in 2013 but rather November 2014! A full 15 months after Qunari was announced for the game!

You mean to tell me that in that time span Bioware could not have created a reasonable inventory of Qunari armors?

I mean.....really?
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I'm going to buy the pack when it releases because I would enjoy that armor for my Qunari inquisitor. I don't care about how foolish it makes e.
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You are still defending Bioware.

This "Qunari was added last" argument is weak. You know why? Cause it was announced....around August of 2013 that Qunari along with Elves and Dwarves were added....August 2013!

If DAI launched November 2013 then your argument would be valid and I would eat crow. But it didnt release in 2013 but rather November 2014! A full 15 months after Qunari was announced for the game!

You mean to tell me that in that time span Bioware could not have created a reasonable inventory of Qunari armors?

I mean.....really?
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We get it, really, we do; you sincerely believe that the only thing it takes to add armor to the game is "We have the race". I mean, you can literally, if you could gain access to the root files, just swap any model into any cutscene with no issues, right? It's not like the art department wasn't busy with animations, and issues with basic armor sets as it was after the additional races were added. Let me reiterate that, "after they were added", since they weren't initially part of the game. The only argument that's weak in this entire discussion is "I don't like DLC, and so, anything they add should have been in the base game".

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We get it, really, we do; you sincerely believe that the only thing it takes to add armor to the game is "We have the race". I mean, you can literally, if you could gain access to the root files, just swap any model into any cutscene with no issues, right? It's not like the art department wasn't busy with animations, and issues with basic armor sets as it was after the additional races were added. Let me reiterate that, "after they were added", since they weren't initially part of the game. The only argument that's weak in this entire discussion is "I don't like DLC, and so, anything they add should have been in the base game".

Oh please just stop it! This is Bioware we are talking about here, an experienced developer that is funded by an industry giant in EA. This isnt some small time indie developer like Hello Games with a staff of like 11 people working on the game.

At the end of the day, Bioware had over a YEAR to add a few (about 4-5) armors for the Qunari. Not asking for a 3rd voice option just for Qunari in 15 months, or a unqiue story for Qunari players or extra cutscenes. No, just a few more armor options, thats all.

Thing is, considering the arguments in this thread, I now understand why EA takes the stance that they do for DLC cause I mean just look at you. If I were an EA executive I will just take your quote and display it at our next meeting and use it to justify our DLC practices.

No matter what, Qunari players were left stranded at launch. For $60 I should have gotten a reasonable experience and yet that wasnt the case. So now with this DLC, EA is now saying that if you want to better experience the Qunari playthrough, you need to play a total of $65 for the game, not $60.

And no, I do like DLC if it adds value to the game BEYOND what the base game was supposed to be. Undead Nightmare for Red Dead Redemption or Ballad of Gay Tony are great examples of DLC cause it is extra content that expands the concept of the base game, not complete the base game by including content that should have been in the base game. There is a difference.
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With the Witcher 3 season pass of $25

There's no such thing as 'cheap dlc', whatever the price is - it's justified by the expenses. CDPR has their own release platform - GoG, not to mention that expenses like rent, salary, communication, logistics etc might greatly vary between Poland and Canada\USA (surprise?). They do not ask 25$ per season pass because they are so nice and  kind to the player base, but because that's what is profitable enough.

 

Oh, and there is also no such thing as 'free' content either. Everything costs money that someone is paying, even if that 'someone' is not the player. 



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For the love of God!

 

While I probably would have worded it in a nicer manner, and certainly not insinuated people were sheep for choosing to buy the DLC, Jazz is entirely in the right here.  CDPR gave us 16 FREE DLC for buying The Witcher 3.  All in the span of 16 weeks IMMEDIATELY AFTER the game was released.  And no, I don't give a rat's ass if they're funded by the government or not.  That has no bearing and no relevance to the issue.  Who the fripping cares if they're funded by the government?  Why does that even MATTER? 

 

Are you seriously implying that Bioware is so destitute that they absolutely can't bear to get by without those extra dollars from nickel and diming us with this outrageous DLC?  Please.  They're owned by EA.  Their stock is through the roof currently.  I'm sure they're doing just fine without this ridiculous and corrupt business practice.

 

Meanwhile, Bioware has the nerve to charge us 5 bucks a pop for cosmetic items a whopping 7-8 months after the game is released, knowing full well the game itself is already lacking in content from the day it was put on the market.  And you people have the audacity to sit there and defend this bullcrap?  **** outta here!

For me personally I see the selling stategy used by Bioware as the many other sellers that use the same proved stategy.

 

Its wonderfull to stick to your guns and all and refusing to buy those dlc's.   But doesnt the cruch comes to stick with your guns not when it is something you have no problem to refuse to buy but when it is something your desperately want.  Being consequent allways is no small feat and to date I haven't seen it carried out by anyone.

 

The only ones doing that are the ones whome said goodbye to society and became hermits.  Seeing the problem and think things thru before buying insted on impulse is a step in the right direction but that doesn't mean you have to deny every pleasure nor insulting others by stating they are blind sheeple.



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I'm going to buy the pack when it releases because I would enjoy that armor for my Qunari inquisitor. I don't care about how foolish it makes e.

 

 

And you will not be alone.

 

 

We get it, really, we do; you sincerely believe that the only thing it takes to add armor to the game is "We have the race". I mean, you can literally, if you could gain access to the root files, just swap any model into any cutscene with no issues, right? It's not like the art department wasn't busy with animations, and issues with basic armor sets as it was after the additional races were added. Let me reiterate that, "after they were added", since they weren't initially part of the game. The only argument that's weak in this entire discussion is "I don't like DLC, and so, anything they add should have been in the base game".

 

 

Got it in one. But sadly this is the viewpoint of the entitled arm-chair developer. The guy who doesn't have a clue abour how games are made but MUST be right. Logic goes out of the window as soon as it doesn't fit what they've chosen to believe. There's no point arguing, really. We won't shift their opinion.


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And you will not be alone.





Got it in one. But sadly this is the viewpoint of the entitled arm-chair developer. The guy who doesn't have a clue abour how games are made but MUST be right. Logic goes out of the window as soon as it doesn't fit what they've chosen to believe. There's no point arguing, really. We won't shift their opinion.

Again, people like you is why EA gets away with the schemes they do. In a way, I dont blame them and for their financial benefit, they should do the same with ME4 because people will buy it no matter what.

I dont blamr Bethesda for starting dlc with horse armor, I blame the people who continue to support such practices with their money.

I might not be a dev, but that doesnt mean that I cannot as a consumer voice my concern and opinion over a product.

Again, if EA wants to justify their actions on DLC, all they need to do is show this thread and the many people defending them.

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Well, if they support being nickle and dimed by EA for excluding content from a larger DLC to sell separately in another DLC then I guess that is on them.

Just don't come back and complain as to why the industry is exploiting the consumers through micro transactions and small item DLC packs that in many ways should have been included in the vanilla game.


I'm sorry I couldnt hear you. I was buying more crowns over at ESO.
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Qunari armor and gear should have been in the game when it was released. If anything i'd rather not buy it now so maybe next time they consider doing it right.

Then again I know they don't care but hey.  :P


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Qunari armor and gear should have been in the game when it was released. If anything i'd rather not buy it now so maybe next time they consider doing it right.
Then again I know they don't care but hey.  :P


My point exactly but people cannot see this. Maybe they do but they dont want to admit it. It is not DLC that I am against, it is when companies abuse the system in order to gain an extra buck or two. Sadly we as videogame consumers allow it with our endless support.

Like they say about class clowns they only make jokes cause they know the class will laugh, once kids stop falling for the jokes, the class clown stops. EA is the clown and we are the class.

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I'll tell ya' what, go back to my post and point out where I specifically told you or anyone else whether or not they should be buying DLC or not. I simply gave my opinion on my belief that the value does not match the price Bioware is throwing out especially when other developers (not just CDPR) releases DLC content for similar price but with more content. Yes, I posted a picture of sheep, but again, find where I said that people SHOULD NOT buy certain DLC. Until then, shut up.

 You know, I think if instead of posting a picture of sheep you just said that - bolded - you would find less people arguing with. Or at least less people arguing with you as heated as they are now.  However, with sheep picture you intended to provoke, and I and possibly others found it slightly offensive.

 

I am going to buy the DLC because a. the armour looks cool to me  b. most importantly, I like Bioware and want to support them, even with $5 dollars, so they can make more games that I like. This my opinion, and I know it is not shared by others. If my decision makes you want to compare me publicly to sheep, implying that I am stupid, well, that makes me a bit upset. If you implied that sheep are cute (because they are totally cute) and DLC buyers are a crowd of cuties, then I take it all back.  :D


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You know, I think if instead of posting a picture of sheep you just said that - bolded - you would find less people arguing with. Or at least less people arguing with you as heated as they are now.  However, with sheep picture you intended to provoke, and I and possibly others found it slightly offensive.
 
I am going to buy the DLC because a. the armour looks cool to me  b. most importantly, I like Bioware and want to support them, even with $5 dollars, so they can make more games that I like. This my opinion, and I know it is not shared by others. If my decision makes you want to compare me publicly to sheep, implying that I am stupid, well, that makes me a bit upset. If you implied that sheep are cute (because they are totally cute) and DLC buyers are a crowd of cuties, then I take it all back.  :D


The sheep picture or not, it isnt a sound consumer decision to support companies who pull such stunts. Especially when they charge for content 8 months later for stuff that should have been in the original game.

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Oh please just stop it! This is Bioware we are talking about here, an experienced developer that is funded by an industry giant in EA. This isnt some small time indie developer like Hello Games with a staff of like 11 people working on the game.


This is absolutely correct, and yet, there were bugs a plenty when the game released, right? Here's the problem, and you admit to it: You don't know what goes into developing a game, you just know you don't like DLC. Nothing wrong with either of those positions, until you start using your lack of knowledge to say that everyone should feel the same way you do. As I said earlier in the thread, if someone's willing to pay my bills, and support my gaming, I'll do what they think is right, after all, it's their money. In the meantime, I have a bit more than passing knowledge of what goes into making a game, so I think I'll ride with that. You see, adding races, especially races that aren't just humans with different ears, means that they have to do every single animation in the game for every single race. They have to do every single animation that varies depending on the discussion tree used for every single race, in every single conversation. If a year was enough time for that kind of thing, DA 2 would have been the best game ever. It had, after all, a really short development schedule, so surely they could have turned out a top notch product in that short amount of time, right?

At the end of the day, Bioware had over a YEAR to add a few (about 4-5) armors for the Qunari. Not asking for a 3rd voice option just for Qunari in 15 months, or a unqiue story for Qunari players or extra cutscenes. No, just a few more armor options, thats all.


...and in that time, they had to do all the animations that were already in for humans, and make the cutscenes have camera angles fit for each race, since using the "one size fits all" method won't work. Dwarves are shorter, and Qunari are taller than humans, so all of that had to be gone through. When were they supposed to take the time to make cosmetics, when they had main game concerns to deal with?

Thing is, considering the arguments in this thread, I now understand why EA takes the stance that they do for DLC cause I mean just look at you. If I were an EA executive I will just take your quote and display it at our next meeting and use it to justify our DLC practices.


Yes, let's look at me: In DA O, I didn't buy 1/2 of the DLC that was available. I did in DA 2, a year or so after it was all done. Here, I've purchased the Jaws DLC. So what's wrong with my priorities? What is it about my spending habits that makes you feel like I'm some kind of BioDrone/EA fanboi? That I may or may not feel like I need armor for my Qunari? Here's an interesting tidbit for your opinionated self: I haven't rolled a qunari. It's likely, based on that, that I won't feel the need for the armor, isn't it? I know, I know, this totally breaks the image you have, and you want to scream to the rafters that I'm lying, but hey, check out my origins profile, and see if I've played Golems or Darkspawn Chronicles. Here's a clue, I haven't. I do have a pretty extensive list of achievements for DA O, but you won't find a single one from those DLC. Why? They didn't appeal to me.

Should I have been on the Origins forums condemning everyone that it did appeal to for buying them? It seems to be your Modus Operandi, yell and scream that we're the reason that gaming companies, not just EA, mind you, because most gaming companies, including CDPR, are selling DLC, and in CDPR's case, they're selling DLC that was available on day one. For EA, that's the height of highway robbery, but for CDPR, it's OK?

No matter what, Qunari players were left stranded at launch. For $60 I should have gotten a reasonable experience and yet that wasnt the case. So now with this DLC, EA is now saying that if you want to better experience the Qunari playthrough, you need to play a total of $65 for the game, not $60.

And no, I do like DLC if it adds value to the game BEYOND what the base game was supposed to be. Undead Nightmare for Red Dead Redemption or Ballad of Gay Tony are great examples of DLC cause it is extra content that expands the concept of the base game, not complete the base game by including content that should have been in the base game. There is a difference.


No, they weren't, because they were able to play as a qunari. That's what they wanted, and they got it. That doesn't include me, I have yet to even seriously consider rolling one, so an armor pack specifically geared towards them probably isn't as appealing to me as you seem to believe. Again, however, I'm sure your defenders will be all over me for pointing out that your making assumptions about how and why I spend my money isn't something that should even remotely concern you. If you're not happy, don't buy it. It's really that simple, talk with your wallet, instead of accusing a bunch of people that you know absolutely nothing about of being sheep. That's the height of arrogance, don't you think?

Again, according to you, and your admitted lack of knowledge of game development. Really, the only way you're even close to valid is if they sold the armor pack, with the race, or, as I indicated earlier, as Day 1 DLC. Neither event happened. The art team got it done, and they put it up for sale. From there, it's on the consumer, not some anti EA advocate, whether it's purchased or not, and the people that want it, and have the disposable income to buy it? It's none of your business.
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This is EA whenever they see people purchase the Qunari item DLC:

 


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A DLC that costs as much as a pack of cigarettes. The later gives you cancer as a bonus.

Tough choice there. That bonus though.



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You really are naive aren't you?

 

Yes, Qunari armor is popular by demand because Bioware FAILED to include it in the vanilla game. Humans, Elves, and even Dwarves had a substantial amount of armor options (Humans/Elves more than anyone) while Qunari had VERY little. So now that Bioware is coming back 8 months later and charging us for content is just pathetic. It is not extra content in that it should have been there from the very beginning. Bioware failed to keep balance and offer players Qunari armor in the base game so they solve this problem by charging us for it 8 months later?

 

That is like me ordering something online in which this package contains many contents. However some core and needed content is missing so I complain about it and 8 months later the company offers to sell me that content for $5. Again, this isn't extra content in which it was never needed for the original order, no, this is content that was supposed to be in the original order but for whatever reasons, wasn't.

 

Again, it is the naive thought process of yours which explains why developers and publishers take advantage of the DLC model because they know people like you will defend it by calling it "extra" content when it was supposed to be there from the get go. People weren't able to enjoy their Qunari characters because there was VERY LITTLE armor for them in comparison to the other races. This Qunari DLC should be free as it is fixing a previous problem. But again, I am the entitled one....

 

 

If I were to use your logic, then I guess Bioware can get release DA4 with 2 armor sets and then charge us for more armor later on? I mean....it would be "extra" content that is "popular by demand" am I not correct?

 

This entire comment can be summed up as "my enjoyment of an optional race is entirely based around a couple of armors that were absent from the basegame so now I demand they give it to me free".

 

The armors were NOT necessary. Heck, I personally haven't even used any race specific armors on my Inquisitors and I'm enjoying the game juuuust fine. Probably even more than others. The armors were NOT required or necessary to the base game, because they are cosmetic items.

 

As far as the rest of your idea surrounding companies and their "schemes" and "nickel and diming" and what not...

 

You basically hate the free market.

 

Companies can do as they please, because if their business practices are wrong, the free market will correct that. Right now, there's people that like the type of DLC that EA/Bioware produces. Calling those people sheep, naive (or dumb) will do nothing but antagonize them against you.



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This entire comment can be summed up as "my enjoyment of an optional race is entirely based around a couple of armors that were absent from the basegame so now I demand they give it to me free".

 

The armors were NOT necessary. Heck, I personally haven't even used any race specific armors on my Inquisitors and I'm enjoying the game juuuust fine. Probably even more than others. The armors were NOT required or necessary to the base game, because they are cosmetic items.

 

As far as the rest of your idea surrounding companies and their "schemes" and "nickel and diming" and what not...

 

You basically hate the free market.

 

Companies can do as they please, because if their business practices are wrong, the free market will correct that. Right now, there's people that like the type of DLC that EA/Bioware produces. Calling those people sheep, naive (or dumb) will do nothing but antagonize them against you.

 

 

Companies can do whatever they want, I am not attacking that. I am talking about the consumers to buy into everything that companies do. That is the crux if my argument. The reason why companies does certain tactics is because they know people will buy it. When people stop buying it, companies abandon said tactic and move onto another profit making venture. Again, like the class clown.

 

The reason why it irks me is that not all companies treats DLC the same. There are some companies like Rockstar that does not treat DLC as small item packs that should have been in the base game (Think day 1 DLC or alternate outfits that are released a month after the game comes out for a price) Those are things that Bioware does a lot and they will continue because people like the ones in this thread will continue to throw money at EA all while EA goes and laughs all the way to the bank. If EA/Bioware is to do stuff like this, whats to say it doesn't term into more where we get to the point where a game releases with a small set of weapons and armor, only for the developer to gradually release more weapons and armor over the coming months for a price?

 

Yes, I understand capitalism and so on, but that does not mean that we consumers cannot be logical consumers and actually think about what we are supporting instead of just buying stuff because we have the "disposable income" to do so. 

 

And to add fuel to the fire, Bioware/EA decides to SEPERATE this DLC from the upcoming Qunari story related DLC (we all know its coming). Again, like the Spoils of the Avaar dlc....the contents in it should have been included in Jaws of Hakkon but wasn't. Instead, Bioware reserves some things so that they can sell at a later date. I doubt that the Spoils of the Avaar content wasn't ready when Jaws of Hakkon released, I am pretty sure they had all the content there, but put it asside because they didn't want to give it all away in one purchase, they wanted to milk it as much as they could and boy where they right because you all ate it all up without any pushback or question what so ever. Again, if I were EA, I would be happy that my consumers are the way they are and not really taking a stance against what they do in relation to DLC.

 

Again, this is EA when they read threads like this and see that people actually buy such DLC without really putting up any argument.