I can help but laugh at him running about with his pillowy moobs hanging out of his shirt in the middle of a damn snowstorm. That cold air can't be good for his kepral's syndrome, and he obviously wanted to get out of there as soon as possible, thus explaining the times.
implying all Drell get Kepral syndrome
The whole reason that Thane walked about in SP with his chesticles bouncing in the breeze was because it helped avoid moisture buildup which would have contributed to the condition progressing more rapidly (and totally not so grill gamers could oogle those glorious, green alien man pillows). Neither of seemingly the only other two drell in existence (Kolyat and Feron) did the same.
Since the MP drell all wear their coats like Thane, they probably all have kepral's syndrome. I'm guessing that fitness evo 6b is actually the cure or something being the reason it makes you run faster, and Thane probably should have specced into it.
Wait, what was the topic again?
It's just ridiculous watching some of you PC assholes and how good you are. 
The little stuff that you do well like death recovery shots coming off the ground, no scopes, transitioning from enemy to enemy is just crazy. Congrats on a great compilation with one of my favorites characters.
Well done OP that is some god tier gameplay.
That's impossible, I think.
[to sub-20 Platinum with all characters]
I was so intrigued by this statement that I made a new thread for it.
http://forum.bioware...all-characters/
I watched the Glacier game and I have a question: do you think Cerberus goes like "****, how are we supposed to beat this guy" when TheNightSlasher is the opposition? Damn impressive head shot gallery. Must watch, well done!
^ Hehe, thank you.
Well, Cerberus did try to employ their usual ultra-BS tactics but came up against the mighty Recon Mine. 
Very impressive, and thanks for posting - I almost decided to respec to your build, but... nah, having too much fun with ARs and shotguns on this guy.
(objectives were modded for triple pizza - inb4hax):
It is somewhat disappointing to me that this is an accepted norm for PC platinum speed runs, and it is unfortunate that some of the competitive solo players feel the need to stack the objectives in their favor. I understand the argument that triple pizza will occur .2 * .2 * .2 = 0.008 = 0.8% of the time, and hence it is possible, although extremely unlikely (< 1/100 games) for this objective combination to occur naturally, and hence because it is possible to occur naturally, it should not be seen as cheating.
However, it is undeniable that by modding the objectives for triple pizza, you are unduly influencing the subsequent game play to help achieve your objective of sub-20. And although, by above argument, it may not be viewed as cheating, IMO it sets a poor example for others aspiring to the same effect by encouraging (or even necessitating) them to hack the game.
Recommendation: Judge speedruns based on clear time outside of objectives. So speedrun clear time = total clear time - objective time.
Very impressive, and thanks for posting - I almost decided to respec to your build, but... nah, having too much fun with ARs and shotguns on this guy.
It is somewhat disappointing to me that this is an accepted norm for PC platinum speed runs, and it is unfortunate that some of the competitive solo players feel the need to stack the objectives in their favor. I understand the argument that triple pizza will occur .2 * .2 * .2 = 0.008 = 0.8% of the time, and hence it is possible, although extremely unlikely (< 1/100 games) for this objective combination to occur naturally, and hence because it is possible to occur naturally, it should not be seen as cheating.
However, it is undeniable that by modding the objectives for triple pizza, you are unduly influencing the subsequent game play to help achieve your objective of sub-20. And although, by above argument, it may not be viewed as cheating, IMO it sets a poor example for others aspiring to the same effect by encouraging (or even necessitating) them to hack the game.
Recommendation: Judge speedruns based on clear time outside of objectives. So speedrun clear time = total clear time - objective time.
The game doesn't log objective time, and therefore speedruns would only be subject to people who can record instead of screenshots. All modding objectives does is make it so you don't have to wait for the stars to align naturally. When watching the run all you see is the three pizza deliveries. Would it make you feel better if you knew it took the player 20 games to get those objectives?
Recording on PC is trivial, and this is only a problem on PC. Yes, as I stated in my original response, I understand the argument that objective modding is not cheating in the sense that it causes the game to do something that it could not do naturally. My point is that modding the objectives (or anything else for that matter) is ultimately going to devalue the work in the eyes of some (not necessarily mine).
Recording on PC is trivial, and this is only a problem on PC. Yes, as I stated in my original response, I understand the argument that objective modding is not cheating in the sense that it causes the game to do something that it could not do naturally. My point is that modding the objectives (or anything else for that matter) is ultimately going to devalue the work.
It isn't giving them an advantage other than amount of games required to get perfect objectives.
Exactly. And hence my recommendation for a speedrun time metric independent of objectives.
Pizza running is more of an advantage than modding objectives IMO.
That fact is irrelevant. Pizza running does not require game files to be hacked. It is a skill similar to reload canceling.
Something I would like to add concerning these recurrent discussions about modding is that a game must stay... fun. Grinding on 15-20 solos to get good objectives would actually bring more frustation than satisfication, and would discourage soloers. So yeah, modding the objectives help the players to achieve their goals, but as long as the game mechanics aren't modified it's fine in my book and the impact on the community is positive, since we can assume that many speedruns records wouldn't have been attempted and so recorded without it.
2 questions more on topic :
- If I want to watch one, which one should I see / which one is the best or funnier ?
- What was the hardest map to solo fast on ? There are indications with the respective times but since you fought different factions, they aren't totally comparable.
Recording on PC is trivial, and this is only a problem on PC. Yes, as I stated in my original response, I understand the argument that objective modding is not cheating in the sense that it causes the game to do something that it could not do naturally. My point is that modding the objectives (or anything else for that matter) is ultimately going to devalue the work in the eyes of some (not necessarily mine).
The fact that you cannot 100% tell whether objectives are modded or not (unless the soloist himself confirms it) means that whoever is trying to devalue the speedrun on that basis has lost touch with reality.
If somebody thinks that doing 200+ attempts and only getting the desired pizza/escort objectives three times during the course of those 200+ attempts (=the first time I broke the GI&Gold record, with a 14:44 run) is somehow more valuable than modded runs, he is forgetting/is ignorant of one thing:
the waves where the player makes the actual difference in times needed to complete the run are 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 and 9.
2 questions more on topic :
- If I want to watch one, which one should I see / which one is the best or funnier ?
- What was the hardest map to solo fast on ? There are indications with the respective times but since you fought different factions, they aren't totally comparable.
1. The London and Goddess solo are probably my favorites, in terms of gameplay. (I only used 1 gel and no ops in the first 10 waves of the Goddess solo).
2. Probably Condor. It took the most tries to go sub-20. Mainly because there is no good camping spot or an effective way to spawn control. Then, there's the lack of good cover.
Exactly. And hence my recommendation for a speedrun time metric independent of objectives.
That fact is irrelevant. Pizza running does not require game files to be hacked. It is a skill similar to reload canceling.
1. The London and Goddess solo are probably my favorites, in terms of gameplay. (I only used 1 gel and no ops in the first 10 waves of the Goddess solo).
2. Probably Condor. It took the most tries to go sub-20. Mainly because there is no good camping spot or an effective way to spawn control. Then, there's the lack of good cover.
I would have bet on it. Terrible map for solos.
The fact that you cannot 100% tell whether objectives are modded or not (unless the soloist himself confirms it) means that whoever is trying to devalue the speedrun on that basis has lost touch with reality.
Of course - I'm not arguing that.
If somebody thinks that doing 200+ attempts and only getting the desired pizza/escort objectives three times during the course of those 200+ attempts (=the first time I broke the GI&Gold record, with a 14:44 run) is somehow more valuable than modded runs, he is forgetting/is ignorant of one thing:
the waves where the player makes the actual difference in times needed to complete the run are 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 and 9.
This is precisely my point. If I ever get into speedrunning, which is unlikely given my life circumstances, I will simply be posting the times outside of objectives as a basis of comparison. Why would I make modifications to game files just to reduce my total clear time?
Hopefully, Bioware will implement hash based integrity checks at run time on the relevant configuration file sets to ensure that anyone playing MP, and potentially acting as host has not made external modifications.
I might be in the minority here, but I'm honestly very surprised that individuals on this forum even admit to modding files, especially since credits in MP correspond to a real money equivalent value, and hence modding could be used fraudulently by malicious individuals to earn credits that they might have otherwise paid real money for.
This is precisely my point. If I ever get into speedrunning, which is unlikely given my life circumstances, I will simply be posting the times outside of objectives as a basis of comparison. Why would I make modifications to game files just to reduce my total clear time?
Hopefully, Bioware will implement hash based integrity checks at run time on the relevant configuration file sets to ensure that anyone playing MP, and potentially acting as host has not made external modifications.
I might be in the minority here, but I'm honestly very surprised that individuals on this forum even admit to modding files, especially since credits in MP correspond to a real money equivalent value, and hence modding could be used fraudulently by malicious individuals to earn credits that they might have otherwise paid real money for.
1) Then no one will give a **** about your speedruns; either you play ball with others or you'll be ignored. There are reasons for why that's not the established way of timing speedruns.
2) That'd be stupid. Modding prolongs the life cycle of the game. It allows us to have all kinds of fun (e.g. zombie mods) and to get around problems Biower doesn't care about (e.g. bad FOV causing nausea for some people). Among other things.
3)
"Malicious individuals" - you're killing me! 
No sane person actually spends real money for the RNG store. If they do, it's because they either 1) don't yet understand how inredibly, insanely small the return is, or 2) they have so much money they simply don't care. It'd take thousands of actual, real-life dollars to max a manifest with real money.
At this point credit hacking is purely beneficial for the game. It means people get to try out stuff they want without having to grind hundreds of hours in the vain hope that the store will finally give them that Harrier I or Wraith I - and that's good, because very often these people would just stop playing the game instead. It also means that newer players get to participate in speedrunning and challenges etc. without a ridiculous handicap.
I claim the title of Malicious Individual Club Member #1. I have no idea what it means, but it sounds awesome. Who's taking #2?
I claim the title of Malicious Individual Club Member #1. I have no idea what it means, but it sounds awesome. Who's taking #2?
I probably qualify.
I'm taking #666 because I'm really, really malicious. You wouldn't believe how malicious I can be.
Well...that escalated quickly.
@BloodBeforeTears: It is pretty obvious that you don't like objective modding and are critical of it. You're not the first and you won't be the last.
On the topic of objective modding - I am saving hours and hours of frustration by forcing the game to give me triple pizzas. Yes, it is only a 0.8% chance, but it's not zero. Atleast I am not modding the weapon or my character or the enemies.
On the topic of clear times based on non-objective waves - that is actually a good idea and people have done it in some competitions. But it's easier said that done. First off, there needs to be a video for the solo - and not everyone who solos, records. Then someone has to watch the video instead of just looking at one screenshot. If only a handful of people are soloing, that's a viable choice but when a large group of people start to solo, it becomes very difficult.
Two more things stood out:
1. 'Setting a poor example' - Firstly, I am not asking others to replicate this. I want to sub-20 and I want to save hours of frustration to do this. I am not encouraging others or setting poor examples. If someone wants to mod their coalesced after watching my solos, it's their personal choice.
2. 'Malicious Individuals' - Really? How do credits in-game correspond to real life money? That relation only works one way - you can use real money to get more credits but not the other way around. That claim about fraudulent use etc. seems very silly to me.
Here's another interesting tidbit I haven't told you - the ghost hazard solo (17:10) was done without objective modding. I got hack, pizza, targets I believe. So, unless I tell you that I modded the objectives, you have no way of knowing. So, would you rather have me conceal the objective modding aspect and make these solos 'legit' according to you and a few others? I wouldn't.
If you still think it devalues my effort, so be it. I did the solo, liking it or not is the viewers choice. You've made your opinion clear. But statements like 'setting a poor example', 'encouraging others to cheat', 'malicious individuals' etc. really irk me. I don't mind a healthy discussion but if you're just going to say these sort of stuff, I'd suggest you don't post here (I am only saying this because this is my thread).
I probably qualify.
If you think you qualify, then you qualify 
I'm taking #666 because I'm really, really malicious. You wouldn't believe how malicious I can be.
But I'm looking forward to finding out.
...are there A-bombs involved? 
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