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I feel like Nevarra has been unjustly neglected


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Its a very central kingdom whose power is said to nearly rival Orlais. The royal dynasty has frequently always been the Pentaghast clan. Our companion Cassandra is a Pentaghast. The city of Cumberland is the seat of the Grand Enchanter and the location of the College of Magi. Previously, I was hoping that the Mage-Templar War and whatever-else would somehow involve Nevarra and us players checking it out. Maybe Fiona and her mages might have been in Cumberland? And according to the WoT books, mages of Nevarra have more political power than in the other countries outside of Tevinter and are nearly as influential as Tevinter magisters within Nevarra.

I was hoping Nevarra would get some attention. I was so sick of having to deal with the backwater that is called Ferelden.


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Its a very central kingdom whose power is said to nearly rival Orlais. The royal dynasty has frequently always been the Pentaghast clan. Our companion Cassandra is a Pentaghast. The city of Cumberland is the seat of the Grand Enchanter and the location of College of Magi. Previously, I was hoping that the Mage-Templar War and whatever-else would somehow involve Nevarra and us players checking it out. And according to the WoT books, mages of Nevarra have more political power than in the other countries outside of Tevinter and are nearly as influential as Tevinter magisters within Nevarra.

Before DA Inquisition came out, I was hoping Nevarra would get more attention.

 

There are a lot of things about the mage/templar war that didn't pan out. For a subject that was debated for 2 or 3 years here, I expected more. I've given up on thinking they can write a political game (they can set up good politics, but never conclude it that way). They rely too much on epic storylines (like the Blight or Anchor/Herald stuff... or Reapers and Prothean Beacons).

 

As for Nevarra, maybe they're saving it for a Tevinter related storyline. They're just as much in proximity to them as they are Orlais.


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Mage and Templar Rebellion ended too soon. For something so serious, it had a weak flame that burnt out too quickly. 


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As for Nevarra, maybe they're saving it for a Tevinter related storyline. They're just as much in proximity to them as they are Orlais.

 
Considering that you can have actual Tevinter/Nevarra conflict (on the war table) in DAI, I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case.

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I have a feeling that they are holding out for future games.  They could still easily do a Tevinter/Par Vollen game.  And a Nevarra/Anderfels/Kal-Shirok game.  And a Free Marches/Antiva/Rivain game.  Or some other combinations of them.  They don't want to run through content so quickly that they limit future options.  I think that at the rate they are going, they could easily have 3 more games in them before they start running low on currently known lands to explore.

 

To be honest, I know that everyone is expecting Tevinter next, but I'm leaning towards Nevarra.  There's a weak, elderly puppet king on the throne being influenced by the Mortalitasi and who doesn't have any children.  His younger brother is a renowned Dragon Hunter, who also has no heirs.  Their political rivals, the Van Markhams, are set to challenge for the throne.  The seat of the Grand Enchanter lies in Cumberland, in Nevarra.  And they've set up the Tevinter/Nevarra conflict in DA: I.  I mean, there's a lot that can be done in a game centered in Nevarra. 


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Mage and Templar Rebellion ended too soon. For something so serious, it had a weak flame that burnt out too quickly. 

 

Most of the mage/templar stuff seemed to have happened in the books. I hate it when stuff like that happens.



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Most of the mage/templar stuff seemed to have happened in the books. I hate it when stuff like that happens.


The lead up to it sure.

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The Mage-Templar war was a favourite subject of mine, to debate and ponder about. It contained political and religious strife. It was short-lived in DAI.


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Let's not forget that the truth about what really happened with Andraste is probably to be found in Nevarra considering that is where it has now been revealed she was really captured and the limit to which her army reached, not right before the gates of Minrathous as suggested in the Chant of Light.   Now if Solas was in some way connected with Shartan and he joined up with Andraste in Nevarra, then it is possible there is some refuge there connected with the Dread Wolf.     So with the hints that there is going to be a showdown with Solas in the upcoming DLC, may be Nevarra is going to be involved.



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not right before the gates of Minrathous as suggested in the Chant of Light


But....The largest known battle of the war takes place in what is modern day Tevinter.

Valarian Fields; the very outskirts of the damn capital.

So...is this WOT volume 2? contradicting volume 1?
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But....The largest known battle of the war takes place in what is modern day Tevinter.

Valarian Fields; the very outskirts of the damn capital.

So...is this WOT volume 2? contradicting volume 1?

Yeah Volume 2 again. I think its been the retconned canon for a while now though, makes Fenris's comments about Andraste never conquering the north make more sense anyway



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World of Thedas has not changed the location of the battle. It still took place in The Valerian Fields. And the Valerian Fields are still outside Minrathous according to the most recent maps we have.



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Yeah Volume 2 again. I think its been the retconned canon for a while now though, makes Fenris's comments about Andraste never conquering the north make more sense anyway

Marching a army up there matches what various sources claimed as far as them besting any force in their way marching up north.

Them defeating four separate armies at the gates of Minrathous itself is also what was established in various sources.

The sheer volume of material expounding the initial success of the exalted march has been up to this point uncontradicted.

So...this is a slightly out of left field move.

But as you say, its canonicity is dubious.

So it could be like any of the other brow raising contradictory entries.

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Most of the mage/templar stuff seemed to have happened in the books. I hate it when stuff like that happens.

Yes, they did. Off-screen conflicts are always a downer. The real Inquisition game was the pre-alpha demo. Now  that is what I call a game with impact and story...


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I have a feeling that they are holding out for future games.  They could still easily do a Tevinter/Par Vollen game.  And a Nevarra/Anderfels/Kal-Shirok game.  And a Free Marches/Antiva/Rivain game.  Or some other combinations of them.  They don't want to run through content so quickly that they limit future options.  I think that at the rate they are going, they could easily have 3 more games in them before they start running low on currently known lands to explore.

 

To be honest, I know that everyone is expecting Tevinter next, but I'm leaning towards Nevarra.  There's a weak, elderly puppet king on the throne being influenced by the Mortalitasi and who doesn't have any children.  His younger brother is a renowned Dragon Hunter, who also has no heirs.  Their political rivals, the Van Markhams, are set to challenge for the throne.  The seat of the Grand Enchanter lies in Cumberland, in Nevarra.  And they've set up the Tevinter/Nevarra conflict in DA: I.  I mean, there's a lot that can be done in a game centered in Nevarra. 

 

True, there's a lot to cover in future games. They don't want to burn the setting too quickly. We've heard about Nevarra, their future succession crisis and places such as the Grand Necropolis who practically screams "future epic dungeon" to me. That's enough for a game. The same as the never-conquered Minrathous and the Tevinter-Qunari war asks for one or Weisshaupt and the First Warden's dreams of becoming king asks for another one.

 

Nevarra in fact has been less neglected than Rivain or the Anderfels. Indeed, there were several war table missions with the country in mind, and we had a Nevarran companion and could learn the way of the Nevarran necromancers.



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Anderfels is the most neglected nation in the series. We have had companions from every place but there and we met one npc from there and that was in a expansion and they was a minor character. Nevarra has a popular and core character in the series at least. Rivani is right behind Anderfels with Nevarra coming in at 3rd if you dont count the free marches as city states but as a country as a whole. 


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Anderfels is the most neglected nation in the series. We have had companions from every place but there and we met one npc from there and that was in a expansion and they was a minor character. Nevarra has a popular and core character in the series at least. Rivani is right behind Anderfels with Nevarra coming in at 3rd if you dont count the free marches as city states but as a country as a whole. 

 

There was a lot of the Anderfels in the last book. More than we've seen from Nevarra at least.

 

It's not nearly as interesting anyways. Land of the Grim Desert People.



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Considering the amount of times it is mentioned in Inquisition when compared to the two previous games, I don't think Nevarra has been neglected. I find it likely that we'll go there in DA4 and/or DA5.



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There was a lot of the Anderfels in the last book. More than we've seen from Nevarra at least.

It's not nearly as interesting anyways. Land of the Grim Desert People.

Book vs in game is not exactly equal. We know way more npcs from nevarra then anderfels. We know who is the ruler of nevarra on a first and last name base. All we know is the first warden has more power then the ruler of anderfels. Reading a book about a place vs talking to various people about there experience about a place 1st is two different things.

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Reading a book about a place vs talking to various people about there experience about a place 1st is two different things.

 

Yeah, it's different. I'll give you that. The books are better. So far.


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Anderfels is the most neglected nation in the series. We have had companions from every place but there and we met one npc from there and that was in a expansion and they was a minor character. Nevarra has a popular and core character in the series at least. Rivani is right behind Anderfels with Nevarra coming in at 3rd if you dont count the free marches as city states but as a country as a whole. 

 

Isn't Anders' family from the Anderfels? But yeah, he didn't tell us anything about that place. It was all about the Circle and the Templars. It reminds me a bit of Garrus in the first Mass Effect game; he was always talking about C-Sec, while I wanted to know about Turians (Wrex and Tali always had fascinating stories about their people).



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Isn't Anders' family from the Anderfels? But yeah, he didn't tell us anything about that place. It was all about the Circle and the Templars. It reminds me a bit of Garrus in the first Mass Effect game; he was always talking about C-Sec, while I wanted to know about Turians (Wrex and Tali always had fascinating stories about their people).

 

I'm glad they did that with Garrus. Tali's a walking codex. Garrus is a dirty cop (or wants to be one). There's more characterization to the latter.



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Theres not much to neglect about the Anderfels. Its a grim land of grim people where its grim up north.



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Theres not much to neglect about the Anderfels. Its a grim land of grim people where its grim up north.

 

That's pretty grim.



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That's pretty grim.

 

It'd be like having Loghain, Nathaniel, and Carver in one group, and wandering the Oasis looking for shards.

 

edit: Actually, replace Carver with Warden Bethany :P