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[Archon_Daylen]

In the end of DA:O, the Warden is allowed a boon. He can be granted the Terynir of Gwaren, the position of Councilor, Circle Autonomy, position as Bann of the Alienage, Lands for the Dalish, Armies to help the dwarves, or payback for Howe's treachery of the Couslands.

This to me was one of the highlights of the Ending of DA:O, as it let me spoil myself after a job well done. I had saved Ferleden and I could now get my prize for doing so. In my Cousland playthrough, I married Anora and chose the Terynir of Gwaren as my boon. This way, the Cousland family would own both terynirs and the two strongest noble families were united.

The thing is, the decision isn't on the keep, so it doesn't matter to Dragon Age Inquisition. You'd think such a decision would be featured as a codex or maybe be mentioned by a noble in Val Royeux. But no, it's irrelevant to Inquisition. This annoys me greatly.

What do you guys think of it?

[Taki17]

If I'm not mistaken, the DAO Epilogue is non-canon now, and they only put things like this and the epilogue tiles in the game as they were not sure if DAO is going to be successful and get a sequel, so they tried to give it an ending with as much closure and little loose ends as possible.

 

I, personally, am glad that these decision have no impact. Ferelden just got pwned by the Blight, reconstruction is still underway ten years later, and a newly crowned king/queen probably has much important things to do than free the Circle of Magi from Chantry control (I don't think they are even allowed to do that...) or grant a land to the Dalish (I can't imagine fereldan nobles liking the idea).

[Archon_Daylen]

If I'm not mistaken, the DAO Epilogue is non-canon now, and they only put things like this and the epilogue tiles in the game as they were not sure if DAO is going to be successful and get a sequel, so they tried to give it an ending with as much closure and little loose ends as possible.
 
I, personally, am glad that these decision have no impact. Ferelden just got pwned by the Blight, reconstruction is still underway ten years later, and a newly crowned king/queen probably has much important things to do than free the Circle of Magi from Chantry control (I don't think they are even allowed to do that...) or grant a land to the Dalish (I can't imagine fereldan nobles liking the idea).

They could grant autonomy, but it would anger the chantry greatly. The Ruler would be considered a heathen and an exalted march might even be called against Ferelden.

As for the Lands, well it was the Hinterlands, meaning it was Darkspawn land days before. I don't think the Lords really cared for it. If the boon was canon, we might've been able to meet a new Elven kingdom-in-progress in Inquisition.

I find it quite saddening, but I respect your opinion on the matter.

[andy6915]

Not ALL are not-canon, at least ones that weren't directly retconned. That's how canon works, it is only a retcon if later info contradicts it. The one about rumors of Morrigan being seen heading to Orlais while pregnant? Still canon. The ones about Ferelden assisting Orzammar to help deal with darkspawn (dwarf boon)? Still canon. Bella marrying Teagan? Still canon. An elf from the alienage serving as one of Alistair's court staff? Still canon. As long as it's not contradicted later, it's still valid canon.

Even the mage boon is still canon... Sort of. Obviously Alistair/Anora failed to actually do the boon, but they were letting Ferelden be used as a safe haven from the chantry by mages... Which is what had the knight commander in DA2 so angry at Alistair in act 3. And then in DAI, Redcliffe was basically given to the rebel mages. So while the boon failed, the Ferelden monarchy was still doing what it could to get as close to doing the boon as possible.

[JadeDragon]

Awakening is basically a follow up of one of the boons.

[Archon_Daylen]

Awakening is basically a follow up of one of the boons.

The boon in question is Amaranthine being taken from Howe, which is given no matter what the Warden chooses.

[Gervaise]

It is not so much the boons aren't recognised/mentioned as they are not particularly important to events in Inquisition.   

 

The mage boon could be considered covered, since Alistair/Anora do their best to help the mages both before and after the rebellion, although this seems to happen whether the Warden is a mage or not.   Unless she has agreed to go to Tevinter with Shale (which I think is not canon) then Wynne was asked to be an advisor to the court of Ferelden and it would seem from Asunder that she probably had been engaged in that way during the succeeding period.  

 

The Dalish boon was mentioned in DA2 if Alistair is king and Merrill is in your party when you go to meet him.   It was something to the effect that he was sorry it didn't work out.   In the epilogue to Origins there is already unrest between the humans and the elves that Lanaya is trying to keep the lid on, so you assume that eventually either she failed to do so or someone killed her and then it all went belly up.  

 

Teryn of Gwaren could still be considered as being in place since there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

Likewise the city elf boon, although in some epilogues this had already gone to pieces.

 

If you had asked to have your revenge on the Howes, then Awakening gave you the opportunity to do so.   Even if you didn't play the expansion, you could arrange the Keep to your satisfaction.

[Aren]

My Warden king doesn't care about mages and templars or the inquisition so long as 2/3 of Ferelden is mine through titles and my friendship with Bhelen get stronger

yes everything of my decision is recognized,Gwaren included.

[ElementalFury106]

Yeah honestly it was pretty lame that the Warden's boon isn't reflected in the Keep or main story. Some are obviously greater decisions than others, such as the Dalish being granted the Kocari Wilds including Ostagar, or the Fereldan Circle being granted autonomy. 

 

These events aren't large or significant enough to impact the main story of Dragon Age, so I say why not include them? Would've been nice to see/acknowledge. 

 

It essentially makes the Origins Epilogue slides a bunch of crap.

[devSin]

Whatever boon you were granted didn't actually change anything in the long run (except maybe in the most generic sense).

Which is how it tends to work in the real world, so I'm not sure why it's so shocking when it happens in the game.

[Dai Grepher]

I always assumed that the boon would not amount to anything anyway (and none of them impressed me personally), and my male warrior Cousland already had everything he wanted. He had Anora as his soon-to-be wife, he found his brother alive, he avenged his parents, he saved his country, he stopped the blight, and he was king. So he chose the option that he had no need of anything further.

 

This is the best option in my opinion (for a Cousland) because while it isn't a boon, it's still sort of a boost to the Hero's character. It shows that he is humble and content. He isn't selfish or greedy. He's noble, in the truest sense. Also, Anora grants a few of these boons regardless, such as giving Amaranthine to the Grey Wardens, and parts of the Arling of Amaranthine to the Couslands (Fergus then gives these lands back to the Howes if Nathaniel saves his life). So picking either of those as a boon is just a waste. Picking Gwaren makes no sense for the King of Ferelden. It would kind of be redundant, especially if Anora can hold on to it through her claim. But having the King be the Teyrn of Gwaren seems to delegitimize him in a way.

 

So the boon never really meant anything to me. What was more important to me was the question of what the Hero planned to do next.

[Dabrikishaw]

Not ALL are not-canon, at least ones that weren't directly retconned. That's how canon works, it is only a retcon if later info contradicts it. The one about rumors of Morrigan being seen heading to Orlais while pregnant? Still canon. The ones about Ferelden assisting Orzammar to help deal with darkspawn (dwarf boon)? Still canon. Bella marrying Teagan? Still canon. An elf from the alienage serving as one of Alistair's court staff? Still canon. As long as it's not contradicted later, it's still valid canon.

Even the mage boon is still canon... Sort of. Obviously Alistair/Anora failed to actually do the boon, but they were letting Ferelden be used as a safe haven from the chantry by mages... Which is what had the knight commander in DA2 so angry at Alistair in act 3. And then in DAI, Redcliffe was basically given to the rebel mages. So while the boon failed, the Ferelden monarchy was still doing what it could to get as close to doing the boon as possible.

This, plus the Warden Statue boon couldn't possibly be something worth retconning in the future.

[helloxina]

I'd never really thought a great deal about it but I suppose it's a scale of how odd it is for it to be left out depending on what you chose. My warden was rather satisfied having found her brother alive, avenged her parents to some extent and was due to marry allistair so she didn't ask for much mainly though it didn't suit my character to ask for money/titles etc so I chose that the wardens never be forgotten and there was to be a statue at Denerim. I must say that I wasn't particularly fussed whether this was canon or not in later ones. I suppose one interesting point to add in later could have been whether people had reacted differently to having a giant warden monument after Adamant.

[Dai Grepher]

Yeah, my Hero didn't care about the Wardens, so he didn't pick that either.

[Archon_Daylen]

I always assumed that the boon would not amount to anything anyway (and none of them impressed me personally), and my male warrior Cousland already had everything he wanted. He had Anora as his soon-to-be wife, he found his brother alive, he avenged his parents, he saved his country, he stopped the blight, and he was king. So he chose the option that he had no need of anything further.
 
This is the best option in my opinion (for a Cousland) because while it isn't a boon, it's still sort of a boost to the Hero's character. It shows that he is humble and content. He isn't selfish or greedy. He's noble, in the truest sense. Also, Anora grants a few of these boons regardless, such as giving Amaranthine to the Grey Wardens, and parts of the Arling of Amaranthine to the Couslands (Fergus then gives these lands back to the Howes if Nathaniel saves his life). So picking either of those as a boon is just a waste. Picking Gwaren makes no sense for the King of Ferelden. It would kind of be redundant, especially if Anora can hold on to it through her claim. But having the King be the Teyrn of Gwaren seems to delegitimize him in a way.
 
So the boon never really meant anything to me. What was more important to me was the question of what the Hero planned to do next.

Actually, As a Male Cousland you can't really become King. You can only become Prince-Consort, meaning he has no real political power. Since Fergus is alive, he isn't the owner of Highever. The only title he gets is Arl/Warden Commander during Awakening. Meaning the only positions of political power he could get would be Arl, Chancellor, or Teryn of Gwaren.

[Dai Grepher]

Actually, As a Male Cousland you can't really become King. You can only become Prince-Consort, meaning he has no real political power. Since Fergus is alive, he isn't the owner of Highever. The only title he gets is Arl/Warden Commander during Awakening. Meaning the only positions of political power he could get would be Arl, Chancellor, or Teryn of Gwaren.

 

I know all about BioWare's storyline fail in calling him "prince-consort". I go with the game texts that call him "king", and that's what I'll always stick with.
 

[Robert Trevelyan]

If I'm not mistaken, the DAO Epilogue is non-canon now, and they only put things like this and the epilogue tiles in the game as they were not sure if DAO is going to be successful and get a sequel, so they tried to give it an ending with as much closure and little loose ends as possible.

 

I, personally, am glad that these decision have no impact. Ferelden just got pwned by the Blight, reconstruction is still underway ten years later, and a newly crowned king/queen probably has much important things to do than free the Circle of Magi from Chantry control (I don't think they are even allowed to do that...) or grant a land to the Dalish (I can't imagine fereldan nobles liking the idea).

 

 

Sorry to seem churlish on this, but you cannot make *anything* which happens in the course of any of the Dragon Age games (end slides or no) 'non-canon'.

 

That's not how things work.

 

If it was possible for something to be stated in-game that set in stone.

 

If future games choose to either retcon a detail or flat-out contradict it, then so be it. It becomes an error. But it cannot actually erase something previously stated. 

[Aren]

such as the Dalish being granted the Kocari Wilds including Ostagar, or the Fereldan Circle being granted autonomy. 

 

 

This is not retconned, King Alistair/queen Anora make this decision ,only to change their mind in DAII,the Korkcari wilds belong to Ferelden,and circle as no autonomy

It was just an harshed decision leaded by the euphoria  of the moment.

[dsl08002]

Well the warden monument in denerim which i picked,