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[In Exile]

I don't think that's true. Dorian in Inquisition is from Tevinter, a culture that supports slavery, blood magic, deals with demons, etc, and he is well-loved despite being pro-slavery.

Dorian's attitude toward slavery gets handwaved because he's basically in denial of it and pretends that it's all hunky-dory and like Rome, with his best counterargument being that life is super shitty for the poor everywhere else in Thedas. To some degree that resonates with people.

That argument full-on doesn't work with Batarians. For one, the kind of slavery they practice isn't like the Roman one, even idealised. Two, their slavery is based on active military conquests, and we've been exposed to the horror of it in ME1 in a visceral way we've never been even via Fenria in DA. And once you play through "I remember me," it's basically impossible to not want to immediately shoot anyone who defends the institution in the face.

[In Exile]

I'd love to have Batarian companion. We haven't had lot of view to their culture in ME1-3. Other than that they apparently like to slave people and don't like humans ^^;

Not that intrested about romancing one though, but not cutting it out of options either. Turian romance worked out fine so why not Batarian as well.

We heard all we need to hear about their "culture" during "I remember me". They're space Nazis, only they don't build death camps, just force labour camps that invariably result in death.

[Laughing_Man]

Meh.

 

I can see a Batarian squad-mate being interesting despite his race, not because of it.

[Panda]

We heard all we need to hear about their "culture" during "I remember me". They're space Nazis, only they don't build death camps, just force labour camps that invariably result in death.

 

My ME knowledge is sadly limited to the games so I don't know about that. However I don't think it should be impossible to make Batarian squadmate to work, though they likely need to make him (/her?) somewhat likeable by making him (/her?) being against some stuff Batarians tend to do ^^ Still, they have nice rivalry with humans and there has been some intresting Batarian characters in the ME so I'd love to see Batarian in the actual squad too.

[BioWareM0d13]

Yes to a Batarian squadmate, though not Bray. The Batarians need a character that isn't a slaver, mercenary, or pirate for once. Bray might have a friendly demeanor, but he's still a pirate, so I don't think he'd be a good fit.

 

No to that squadmate being a LI. 

[Panda]

I like Batarians...and want a squadmate.

 

But I want to suppress people who'd romance them. The Xenophilia has to end somewhere. Might as well be here.

 

What, are you xenophobic?

 

Idk about Batarians, I'm not so against it though they kinda look like spiders with those eyes. Krogan would be where I have to draw my line though.

[In Exile]

My ME knowledge is sadly limited to the games so I don't know about that. However I don't think it should be impossible to make Batarian squadmate to work, though they likely need to make him (/her?) somewhat likeable by making him (/her?) being against some stuff Batarians tend to do ^^ Still, they have nice rivalry with humans and there has been some intresting Batarian characters in the ME so I'd love to see Batarian in the actual squad too.

I remember me is the ME1 Colonist background side-quest. You meet a young woman (she's 19) who was enslaved after the Batarian raid on Mindoir, which killed Shepard's parents. You find out that Shepard's family resisted and they died from an artillery shell. What the Batarians did to the young woman was horrible. Here are the Coles' notes:

1) They perform surgery on people. Brain implants to make them docile. She refers to them as wires. They sound like bombs. They also use slaver collars.
2) Apart from the horrible beatings and surgery, we learn that there's outrageous mental abuse. She refers to herself as an animal, talks about humans as animal and meat. There's implied rape.
3) We learn that Batarians melt people alive and burn them alive to keep slaves in line.

When you read about Torfan it's just more of the same.

[BioWareM0d13]

I think the LIs should be limited to humans or aliens that sort of resemble humans.

 

Even Garrus was a step too close to furrydom for comfort. 

 

A Batarianmance perfectly summed up.

[Panda]

I remember me is the ME1 Colonist background side-quest. You meet a young woman (she's 19) who was enslaved after the Batarian raid on Mindoir, which killed Shepard's parents. You find out that Shepard's family resisted and they died from an artillery shell. What the Batarians did to the young woman was horrible. Here are the Coles' notes:

1) They perform surgery on people. Brain implants to make them docile. She refers to them as wires. They sound like bombs. They also use slaver collars.
2) Apart from the horrible beatings and surgery, we learn that there's outrageous mental abuse. She refers to herself as an animal, talks about humans as animal and meat. There's implied rape.
3) We learn that Batarians melt people alive and burn them alive to keep slaves in line.

When you read about Torfan it's just more of the same.

 

Alright I never played ME1 with colonist background. Spacer and earthborn both, but not that one.

 

Pretty messed stuff I have to admit. Well I'd like still to have Batarian squadmate, but someone not so involved into slavery and other stuff like that. Surely they all can't be that bad?

[In Exile]

Alright I never played ME1 with colonist background. Spacer and earthborn both, but not that one.

 

Pretty messed stuff I have to admit. Well I'd like still to have Batarian squadmate, but someone not so involved into slavery and other stuff like that. Surely they all can't be that bad?

 

I'm sure the are some people out there who are Batarians and abolutionists, and I believe there's lore out there that not everyone was onside with their totalitarian regime, even if the Council didn't care. But a person like that isn't much of a Batarian, or at least, so alien to most of Batarian culture that you're really only getting someone who looks like a Batarian. It would be a bit like recruiting an anti-war, krogan scientists who also happens to be a calm pacifist. 

[Panda]

I'm sure the are some people out there who are Batarians and abolutionists, and I believe there's lore out there that not everyone was onside with their totalitarian regime, even if the Council didn't care. But a person like that isn't much of a Batarian, or at least, so alien to most of Batarian culture that you're really only getting someone who looks like a Batarian. It would be a bit like recruiting an anti-war, krogan scientists who also happens to be a calm pacifist. 

 

Well basically I want Batarian squadmate who is like other Batarians, but just doesn't like slaving and abusing people. Mercenary, space pirate ir Aria's thug etc., that doesn't matter so much. I'm not looking for hippie one, just one that isn't downright awful.

[Vortex13]

I approve of Batarians in Andromeda. Both them and the Rachni need to make the journey and both need to have large, prominent roles in the new game.

[Will-o'-wisp]

@Batarian Romance: I don't think that their appearance is any more alien than Garrus' or Thane's, so I don't see why that would be an issue. I would argue that they're even the second most human looking species right after the Asari. Sure, their faces (especially the teeth) may be off-putting for most people, but if the romance ark itself is interesting, why not? I personally think their four eyes are a interesting feature that was really under-utilized in the first trilogy and something that I find somewhat fascinating about their appearance. I think it was mentioned in one of te books or the codex that batarians are capable of looking at and concentrating on two completely different things at once, which is why they often look down on two-eyed species as less intelligent and observant.

@Slaver culture: I like that their culture appears more controversial in nature than others, but I think Bioware hasn't really fleshed them out enough to allow judgement on whether a batarian isn't a true batarian anymore if he doesn't belong to the Hegemony or practice slavery. There may be lots of things that define batarian culture besides slavery and a rigid caste system. The first book mentioned that they're merchants in nature, just like the stereotypical krogan is a warrior and that their culture has a very complex code of behavior that depends on one's position within the caste system. Which is a system that we know close to nothing about atm...

Apart from that I doubt that there will be opportunities for the batarians to practice slavery within the ark project at least if it's really under the council's direction. Of course some of them could go rogue or get permission for taking slaves among the native species or generally supervising forced labour of criminals that would otherwise only drain the ark's resources - depending on how desperate the situation is when the ark arrives in Andromeda.

But I wouldn't want a batarian crew member/squadmate/LI to be complete slaver scum either. Maybe they used to be involved in the Business out of social pressure or lack of alternatives and quit due to the extreme methods being used in the business. Whatever that batarian's background would be, I'd prefer someone with at least a somewhat critical view of slavery as it was practiced by the hegemony, maybe due to inside knowledge, maybe not, but they also shouldn't be the complete opposite of the batarians we've met so far. As long as they're their own unique person instead of a walking (anti-)stereotype, a batarian squadmate could certainly be very interesting - for their personality and the direly needed insights into batarian culture they could offer.

[Dieb]

Batarians are so comically evil as a society that it wouldn't really be possible to have a properly batarian character as a squad member.

 

Yeah, but so was Tevinter in the infallible DAO now, weren't they?

[In Exile]

Yeah, but so was Tevinter in the infallible DAO now, weren't they?

Not on the scale of the Batarians. The absolutely worst things the Tevinters are rumoured to do: torture, blood sacrifice, rape... that's not as bad as what the Batarians did do. And Dorian's handwave isn't just that he's against Tevinter's standard: it's that they're not all as bad as we hear (he says) and the counter-argument that Thedas isn't a modern society, where the poor and destitute (and racial minorities) are much better off than actual slaves. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hate their government, not the people.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Wonder how their women looks like?

[The Heretic of Time]

Not on the scale of the Batarians. The absolutely worst things the Tevinters are rumoured to do: torture, blood sacrifice, rape... that's not as bad as what the Batarians did do. And Dorian's handwave isn't just that he's against Tevinter's standard: it's that they're not all as bad as we hear (he says) and the counter-argument that Thedas isn't a modern society, where the poor and destitute (and racial minorities) are much better off than actual slaves. 

 

How is what the Batarians did any worse than what Tevinter did? They're pretty much equal in what they do/did. So either both are horrible or both are not all that bad, choose.

And Thedas is very much a modern society. Thedas has a lot more in common with our current 21st century society than with our medieval European society. It's pretty much a modern society disguised as a medieval fantasy society.

[Sartoz]

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No.

Make it a clean break. 

 

Similar combat. classes and skill set. Avoid useless exploration and loot grinding. Mix in some "wild west" soap opera with a beautiful alien romance option. hey! maybe some arachnids for the xeno loving simple people. Throw in a pinch of xenophobic aliens that hate humans and we might have a game.

[Steppenwolf]

Not on the scale of the Batarians. The absolutely worst things the Tevinters are rumoured to do: torture, blood sacrifice, rape... that's not as bad as what the Batarians did do. And Dorian's handwave isn't just that he's against Tevinter's standard: it's that they're not all as bad as we hear (he says) and the counter-argument that Thedas isn't a modern society, where the poor and destitute (and racial minorities) are much better off than actual slaves.

Uhhh, the Tevinter Emperium unleashed the Blights and Darkspawn on Thedas. How is that not worse than what the Batarians have done?

[CHRrOME]

Seriously talking, I do want to see batarians again. I'd love to see the first batarian squad mate in our party.

They seem to be a proud race (pirates aside, of course). Maybe showing the good side of them this time? I'm kinda sick to encounter batarian terrorists, pirates and whatnot. Would be cool to know more about them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bray? No. I really don't want yet another criminal as a squadmate. 

 

A Batarian? Sure, I'd be fine with that.

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

Bioware make it happen ! more of the Squadmate part the romance part is 50/50 I dont mind if it's there or not. I've always headcannon my Femshep was on Mindor, things were horrible. She then grows up with Batarian hate until she meets a few that explain to her how different things are involving their society and she changes her mind

 

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