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[RZIBARA]

So if a woman's story arc in a game was about her losing her husband in a war, that would be shoving heterosexuality down your throat?

 

If that was the main thing about the character yes

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Hey, it's a future with immense scientific and biological advancements. Maybe we already have and didn't know it.

 

By the time in which Andramada is set, you will choose your gender for the day by swallowing the pill of your choice with your morning coffee. "Honey, think I'll be a girl again today, so pass me the bottle with the pink pills, please."

[KaiserShep]

If that was the main thing about the character yes

 

I suspect the most we'd get out of that in terms of complaints is that the character is just another broken victim that the PC has to "fix" somehow, but this would be interchangeable with other forms of tragedy and distress on the character. A fair example is Fenris, who can sometimes come off as a bit of a woobie. The heterosexuality bit, in and of itself, would likely not get any mention. 

[LiL Reapur]

But can they make a good sandwich?

 

[The Heretic of Time]

 I get your point. A trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man so there would be no point in letting the player know they were even trans to begin with.  And I agree, why bring it up?  But not all trans people want to transition. So I suppose that's the type BW could focus on if they decide to add a transgendered character and/or romance.  

 

Actually Former_fiend beat me to it. lol!

 

Why the hell would a trans person NOT want to transition? To me doesn't sound like a transgender person, just an mentally ill attention seeker.

[Steelcan]

Why the hell would a trans person NOT want to transition? To me doesn't sound like a transgender person, just an mentally ill attention seeker.

I'm sure tumblr can enlighten you

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

This is messed up at so many levels, It's like Hitler thinking he got rid of all the Jews.

that was the joke.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Why the hell would a trans person NOT want to transition? To me doesn't sound like a transgender person, just an mentally ill attention seeker.

well i came to the realisation i was realy just gay and was looking for an excuse. sure im not a typical case. but to most its not realy about passing.

[NuclearTech76]

Videogames just annoy me when they discuss societal issues. I use them for recreation and I don't want to have that outlet turned into a **** slinging contest by different people with different views. Gaming should bring people together and let them put their differences aside not divide them and turn it into an argument about society's newest hot button subject. 

[Volcanthe]

Why the hell would a trans person NOT want to transition? To me doesn't sound like a transgender person, just an mentally ill attention seeker.

 

- They aren't happy with the level of transition available with today's medicine.

- They identify as agender/genderless/genderqueer (or one of the other many nonbinary identities) and are happy with social transition (pronouns/name/clothing).

- They have a/multiple medical condition/s which prevent transitioning at a hormonal/surgical level.

- They are transgender and not transsexual, or do not experience dysphoria and thus do not need or wish to transition.

 

Many reasons, all valid.

 

On topic:

 

I would very much like to see a trans squadmate or companion, they don't even need to be a romance option. I would prefer the implementation be done in a tasteful manner, in that the trans character isn't made too much a spectacle of. Give them an interesting backstory, a drive for something other than their status as a trans person. We're human too, and while being trans is a part of us, it's not all we're about. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

all abord the USS Tumblr

[Panda]

Videogames just annoy me when they discuss societal issues. I use them for recreation and I don't want to have that outlet turned into a **** slinging contest by different people with different views. Gaming should bring people together and let them put their differences aside not divide them and turn it into an argument about society's newest hot button subject. 

 

Diverse characters transgender characters included sound like bringing people together to me at least.

[N172]

The only reason Transgenders are perceived as such is because they are not (yet) able to get fully transformed into what they want to be, since technology in the mass effect universe allows it transgenders in mass effect have no apparent (genes whould still be different) difference from others.

So: No Transgenders like we have today, since it whould not make sense to put a Transgender who could be perceived as such in ME because of advanced technology.

[Kenny Bania]

Why the hell not?

[dreamgazer]

What I do think is that transgenderism is a trait that's meaningful in real life and part of the purpose of Science Fiction is exploring real life issues. The fact that it's a futuristic setting doesn't negate issues that we struggle with in real life; it gives us a tool to explore those issues.

And just like FTL travel, overheating weapons without bullets, and advanced gene and cloning technology, science-fiction also gives us the tools to make struggles far less of a struggle and to open the door for opportunity. The ability to alter one's gender identity without making gender identity an ongoing conflict would fit into that category. Again, this character would be in a very narrow subset of individuals and would exist in a setting where contemporary perceptions on that kind of identity climate would have drastically evolved and become increasingly irrelevant, potentially making them anachronistic.

Hence, my original point: what would introducing this new element into the MEU accomplish? Why deliberately jump the hurdles in the first place?

[Silcron]

Hey, it's a future with immense scientific and biological advancements. Maybe we already have and didn't know it.

 

Miranda was, after all, Henry Lawson's first son, but he wanted a perfect daughter, not a clone.

[NuclearTech76]

Diverse characters transgender characters included sound like bringing people together to me at least.

Trust me it will lead to debate that cannot be handled by most of the audience that buys these games. It's not the type of discussion that you want about a societal issue because there isn't going to be any in depth development or mature discussion there. I just think it's a ****** poor place to discuss societal issues that's JMO though.

[Panda]

Trust me it will lead to debate that cannot be handled by most of the audience that buys these games. It's not the type of discussion that you want about a societal issue because there isn't going to be any in depth development or mature discussion there. I just think it's a ****** poor place to discuss societal issues that's JMO though.

 

BW already is including LGB+ characters, some player turn it to social issue and are against it, but BW shouldn't still cut these characters. Cause what change in the society we have to await until we could have these characters in the game without some people having issue with it? Without inclusion against will of some, the change wouldn't happen at all. So this is why they need to be included.

[NuclearTech76]

BW already is including LGB+ characters, some player turn it to social issue and are against it, but BW shouldn't still cut these characters. Cause what change in the society we have to await until we could have these characters in the game without some people having issue with it? Without inclusion against will of some, the change wouldn't happen at all. So this is why they need to be included.

Somehow I doubt the change in society will have anything to do with a BW game.  I'm imagining that them including LGB characters didn't change anything in society either. 

[Panda]

Somehow I doubt the change in society will have anything to do with a BW game.  I'm imagining that them including LGB characters didn't change anything in society either. 

 

Small changes in many places in popular cultures does a lot in long run. Bioware being one of first that did so likely will open way of other companies to follow, Bioware did it so they can do that as well. As outcome lot of games with LGB characters, them becoming normality in the gaming, that changing attitudes of the players and so on. Change starts somewhere and things are related

[Steelcan]

- They aren't happy with the level of transition available with today's medicine.

- They identify as agender/genderless/genderqueer (or one of the other many nonbinary identities) and are happy with social transition (pronouns/name/clothing).

- They have a/multiple medical condition/s which prevent transitioning at a hormonal/surgical level.

- They are transgender and not transsexual, or do not experience dysphoria and thus do not need or wish to transition.

 

Many reasons, all valid.

 

Valid on tumblr and nowhere else

[NuclearTech76]

Small changes in many places in popular cultures does a lot in long run. Bioware being one of first that did so likely will open way of other companies to follow, Bioware did it so they can do that as well. As outcome lot of games with LGB characters, them becoming normality in the gaming, that changing attitudes of the players and so on. Change starts somewhere and things are related

I'm sorry but I think that saying change comes from pop culture especially in games like this minimizes the topic. I think it's a subject worthy of discussion I just don't see it getting fleshed out enough in a video game to be anything other than just a token gesture to a societal hot topic. I don't see that promoting change, I see that as just a cheap driveby to cash in on controversy.

[dfjdejulio]

Thoughts?

 

How do you know we haven't already?  If the society has progressed in particular ways, they might not have thought that detail worth mentioning.

[daveliam]

Videogames just annoy me when they discuss societal issues. I use them for recreation and I don't want to have that outlet turned into a **** slinging contest by different people with different views. Gaming should bring people together and let them put their differences aside not divide them and turn it into an argument about society's newest hot button subject. 

 

Video games have always been a place to comment on societal issues.  Do you mean "these particular societal issues"?  Because eliminating "societal issues" would eliminate a huge amount of many of the genres.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Yeah dont you the recall socirtal economic debates you and your freinds had over traiding Pokémon in the playground?