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[Panda]

What about if transcharacter was included, but you would only find out them being trans from old email for them, old photo or sth like that. So just sth where the character herself/himself wouldn't mention it and it wouldn't be big deal to anyone in the universe, full transition and so on. There would be no social issue, no lecturing, the character would just exist and be trans without any attention on it?

[Asari Goddess]

trust me trans still get attention even if they are fully transitioned but that's not the case.

[Panda]

trust me trans still get attention even if they are fully transitioned but that's not the case.

 

I didn't mean it attention-wise, but so that you only would find about character being trans somewhere in emails or codexes, sth small and unimportant. No dialogue options or anything so the character being trans wouldn't be main part of the character at all. He/she would be trans character, but in way that wasn't in your face at all so I wonder if people would still come up with complaints.

[Silvair]

It would be interesting to see how Bio would address a Trans relationship in a Sci-Fi setting.

 

To write it in a way that it would be in lines with our current society or would they take some liberties & write what they imagine a Sci-Fi trans character to be like?

 

Although I do not think a trans romance option will be included. Don't give a diddly about ME:A 

Or they could just say "this person is transgendered" and then that's the end of it.  

It doesn't need to become some huge issue to be addressed, or turned into some drama/debacle.

 

 

Like I love how in Harry Potter and Resident Evil, they said off the record that two major characters are gay.  Had nothing to do with the story, wasn't brought up at all proper, BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER.  

 

 

Like I'm fine with...the pilot guy whatever his name was in 3, being gay, same with um...alphonso hair dude from ME1 that i never have in my squad.  I wasn't hooking up with them, so no issue.  But it would have bugged me if they were the stereotypically flamboyant gays with a lisp, where their entire purpose is "HAVE I MENTIONED HOW MUCH I'M GAY?  OMiGAWD LETS GO OUT FOR YOGURT!"

 

A webcomic adressed it as well.  "Does that woman have a *****?" "Yeah, I'm transgendered, does that bother you?"  "No, just not used to it, sorry"  End of topic.

 

 

If we have a transgendered romance option, I don't want it shoved down my throat the entire game.

Unless I'm shacking up with them.  Otherwise I don't even care.

[Boost32]

And the romance should not take a romance slot for straight men.

[Former_Fiend]

Maybe we already have. We never actually get to see what any of the characters are packing in the bedroom.

 

Again, for this to matter, it'll have to be brought up and attention be drawn to it. 

 

I don't know. Say Bioware made a game where all the humans are in power armor or suits that completely cover their bodies. The only person we see out of the suit is a white guy. Would "everyone inside the suits could be black/asian/whatever for all we know" really be a viable counter to requests for representation?

 

Of course, as I typed this post I realized that Bioware already made that game, it was called Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer, where the only human character we get to see under the suit(the Talon Mercenary, who has an exposed bicep) is white, and as far as I know no one really complained about that, so, eh.

 

Anyway, I think I've said my piece, but to sum up; if the writers want to include an explicitly trans character as a romance option, I don't have a problem with it. If they don't, that's fine too. I just don't buy a lot of the reasoning behind why they "shouldn't". With that, I think I'm going to take a break from this topic for a while as it's getting annoyingly circular. 

[daveliam]

And the romance should not take a romance slot for straight men.

 

And, frankly, this is why they probably won't include a trans romance in a game any time soon.  No one wants to watch groups of people playing 'hot potato' with the trans character.

 

"I don't want her"

"Well I don't want her either"

"Well you wanted extra romances, so here you go"

"Not what I meant, sorry"

 

That's not going to leave anyone feel comfortable.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

What about his comments in chora's den? And that he flirts only with fem-shep? Nope i still think it was wierd.

Look, he is bissexual, but that doesn't mean that he should be hitting on everyone because of that. He is NOT Iron bull. Kaidan aways was very timid and self contained, even the comments in chora's den you mentioned were restrained enough. That could easily explain why he never dared to show any sign of his crush on a male Shepard in the first game. He only starts to openly saying anything in ME3 wen Mshepard takes the first step (K: "My biotics are stronger than ever, maybe somethings just get better with age" MShep: "Or maybe you have!" K: Are...you flirting with me commander? - totally clueless and adorable little **** >_<').

I did his romance arc with both genders (I love him, leave me alone lol), and even with Femshep, he is pretty self contained. He slips a little in that citadel scene, but he only really acts on it wen she takes the lead. Now imagine that a shy guy like that has a crush on his superior officer, but he happens to be a male, wich automatically makes things A LOT more complicated (trust me, It does). And the alliance has regulations about fraternization and all, and since he is really by the book, you can be damn sure as hell he would do everything he could to hide it. He got careless with femshep once, because admitting a crush in the opposite sex surely isn't that big of an issue, but again, he saw he slipped and returned to being professional.

 

And like Hazegurl said, the horizon encounter really was intense, romance or no romance.

[Hazegurl]

But going back to the point, as I mentioned earlier, if a lot of the issues facing transgendered individuals are no longer issues in the far off future of the ME universe, fine, great, that's awesome. So why can't we just have a trans individual who's just there and their trans nature is no larger a facet of their character than Miranda's accent was a facet of hers?

I will also add that we are in a brand new galaxy where we may not even have access to the same tech as we did before thus making it impossible for a trans person growing up on the Ark et al to even go through transition if they wanted to. This is also something to consider. 

 

But overall, I wouldn't want a trans character in the game if their entire story is based on them being transgendered and their struggle et al. 

 

even though "she" makes zero attempt at actually being one?

 

How do you know she doesn't make an attempt?  Does she have to cut off her man parts even if she looks like a woman every where else just to be considered a woman?

 

And the romance should not take a romance slot for straight men.

 

This does add a bit of a dilemma to it.

 

Straight men & Women may feel tricked into entering what they think is a gay relationship.

Gay men & Lesbian women may feel slighted having what little options they do have be a former female/male.

 

I'm all for the LIs being romanced by all genders. *shrug*  But I can understand why BW may want to save themselves the headache and not go that route.  It seems like adding a trans character would have to be done by a company who simply gives no f**** about their whiny fanbase be they SJW or Anti SJW. BW cares a bit too much.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Except in ME3 Kaidan is Shepard's superior officer according to military rank, and he's a Spectre.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

How do you know she doesn't make an attempt?  Does she have to cut off her man parts even if she looks like a woman every where else just to be considered a woman?

I guess he is just misconcepting the whole transgender/transsexual thing.

For further reference and avoid confusion

Transgender: A person that identifies with a gender that's diferent from the physical one.

Transsexual: A transgender person that has gone trough the surgery to adequate the physical gender to the one him/her identifies with.

Cisgender: A person that identifies with the physical gender they had since birth.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

Except in ME3 Kaidan is Shepard's superior officer according to military rank, and he's a Spectre.

Kaidan only outranks Shepard if he refuses to accept his Spectre status again in ME2. Even so, Shepard is a goddamn Icon and the only hope of uniting the galaxy by that time, I guess that surpasses every formal title a person could have, so he/she is pretty imposing and intimidating. So I'm pretty sure Kaidan still sees Shepard as a superior, despite of the scenary.

[Hazegurl]

And I would also say that Kaidan being Shep's superior in ME3 wouldn't make it easier to approach him.  Because being somewhat in a position of power could make it seem like he's taking advantage of Shepard.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

And I would also say that Kaidan being Shep's superior in ME3 wouldn't make it easier to approach him.  Because being somewhat in a position of power could make it seem like he's taking advantage of Shepard.

And that is what I would call out of character, not the subtle way they handled his coming out. It was perfectly done. People just don't accept it simple because he is not a stereotypical gay/bi character. Then again, they would complain anyway, people aways find something to complain, and we can see it clearly in this topic. And seriously, if you didn't pursue his romance as a male, this shouldn't even really matter lol

[FemHawke FTW]

I would like to see a transgender companion that is available as a LI in a Bioware game. I would like it to happen in DA4, so why not ME:A?

[BabyPuncher]

I would really prefer transgender characters not exist in the story at all. The reason? The same reason I would really prefer, say, morbidly obese characters not exist in the story at all.

[dreamgazer]

I would really prefer transgender characters not exist in the story at all. The reason? The same reason I would really prefer, say, morbidly obese characters not exist in the story at all.

Really, why's that?

[AresKeith]

Really, why's that?

 

My guess is they don't feel heroic

[BabyPuncher]

The same reason I prefer the story to be set in exciting, beautiful locations instead of grey office buildings. The same reason I prefer spaceships to look sleek and elegant instead of metal blocks.

 

I prefer beautiful things over...less beautiful things.

[dreamgazer]

The same reason I prefer the story to be set in exciting, beautiful locations instead of grey office buildings. The same reason I prefer spaceships to look sleek and elegant instead of metal blocks.

I prefer beautiful things over...less beautiful things.

Are you suggesting transgender people can't be beautiful?

[BabyPuncher]

'Can't' is a very strong word, and there are different ways people can be beautiful, but it certainly doesn't do them any favors. Just like morbid obesity, say.

[Br3admax]

Are you suggesting transgender people can't be beautiful?

It obviously doesn't matter if they can't pass those beautiful genes onto my god-children. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Because sometimes its ok to use it, either for effect or because it is actually applicable

What about humor or mockery?