'Can't' is a very strong word, and there are different ways people can be beautiful, but it certainly doesn't do them any favors. Just like morbid obesity, say.
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Are you suggesting transgender people can't be beautiful?
I don't think some are even trying.
The same reason I prefer the story to be set in exciting, beautiful locations instead of grey office buildings. The same reason I prefer spaceships to look sleek and elegant instead of metal blocks.
I prefer beautiful things over...less beautiful things.
I'm sorry, I just DARE you to say these people here are ugly. lol
And to finish, if you are gonna dismiss everything that doesn't look pretty, I say you shouldn't be playing ME at all. There's a lot of ulgy-ass aliens in it 
And to finish, if you are gonna dismiss everything that doesn't look pretty, I say you shouldn't be playing ME at all. There's a lot of ulgy-ass aliens in it
Or any game for that matter
I prefer beautiful things over...less beautiful things.
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The aliens are a bigger problem, actually.
But yeah, there isn't much to say once you open that door. If people in this fanbase want to get it on with some kind of chitinous creature, then a transgendered is nothing.
Why doesn't it do them, the ones who really try, any favors? How is an unhealthy weight similar to gender identity?
I'm not going to try and claim to you that the beauty ideals we humans have are rational or moral. Because I can't. It probably ultimately comes down to some evolutionary hiccup or another in our primitive monkey brains.
So the answer is "I don't know." I don't really know why exactly I feel that someone born as a male can never be a woman, even if he looks and speaks and lives the part just as convincingly. Just like I don't really know why I think smooth skin or symmetrical features are attractive.
But whether those ideals are rational or moral or even explainable or not, they're reality. All of those ideals are reality.
But yeah, there isn't much to say once you open that door. If people in this fanbase want to get it on with some kind of chitinous creature, then a transgendered is nothing.
That is just flatly stupid.
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That is just flatly stupid.
No, it isn't. It's me giving up. I have the same standards as you, personally..
But the fanbase and Bioware themselves are off the charts already. They're completely fringe. You can't change them, but feel free to try.
The aliens are a bigger problem, actually.
But yeah, there isn't much to say once you open that door. If people in this fanbase want to get it on with some kind of chitinous creature, then a transgendered is nothing.
Don't deny your inner Kirk Street
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Don't deny your inner Kirk Street
That Vulcan chick was hot. But that's about it. It's about as much an aberration as elves.
No, it isn't. It's me giving up. I have the same standards as you, personally..
But the fanbase and Bioware themselves are off the charts already. They're completely fringe. You can't change them, but feel free to try.
It's not even that exclusive to Bioware and the fanbase, it existed long before Bioware and it will long after
The fanbase demands futa Asari.
And after seeing those Source Filmmaker GIFs who can blame them?
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It's not even that exclusive to Bioware and the fanbase, it existed long before Bioware and it will long after
"Long before" is on the level of Flash Gordon, Superman/Lois, and Edgar Rice Burroughs... when the aliens were just human like.
It's not even that exclusive to Bioware and the fanbase, it existed long before Bioware and it will long after
Yes, but as this is BioWare's forum, they and we, i.e. the fanbase, are the only ones who are actually relevant to this conversation.
Only reasons 1 and 3 are valid. The other 2 reasons either sound like attention-seeking BS or the ramblings or a mentally ill person.
For example, a trans "woman" who refuses to undergo the surgical transitioning expects me to regard her as a woman, even though "she" makes zero attempt at actually being one? How does that make any sense? That would be like me claiming to be an artist and wanting people to respect me as an artist even though I never draw or create anything. It's just attention-seeking nonsense.
Reasons 2 and 4 are valid in my opinion, and if they aren't valid reasons in your opinion, that's not something I'm going to be able to change.
In response to your example:
She can train her voice to sound more effeminate.
She can dress and act in a more traditionally feminine manner, if she wants to.
She can change her name, whether formally or informally, and ask others to refer to her as, or introduce herself as that name.
She can change which pronouns she wants others to refer to her as, by asking them to.
She can gain access to hormone replacement therapy, either by informed consent or after receiving a referral from a therapist.
None of these require surgical intervention, and unless she is walking around buck naked, it's likely that people won't be able to tell that she is trans. All of these, are in my opinion, attempts at being a woman. Again, you might hold different opinions.
If this theoretical transwoman requested that you treat her as a woman, that's not something you are forced to comply with. It would be, in my opinion, the respectful thing to do; but again, it's not something you absolutely must do. Without knowing her thoughts, I would not be able to say whether or not it is an expectation that she be treated the way she identifies. It would however, likely be something she would appreciate - being treated as the woman she is.
Thank you for a civil conversation on the matter thus far.
If Bioware decides to include a trans character in the Mass Effect universe, regardless of their identity, I will see it as a potentially positive inclusion in today's media. Apart from Dragon Age: Inquisition, I cannot recall ever hearing about or seeing a trans character in gaming. It's unfortunate, but it's not something I'd expect to see a change with overnight.
"Long before" is on the level of Flash Gordon, Superman/Lois, and Edgar Rice Burroughs... when the aliens were just human like.
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It's almost always been a thing, Street. But I'm sorry it gets so much on your nerves.
Yes, but as this is BioWare's forum, they and we, i.e. the fanbase, are the only ones who are actually relevant to this conversation.
******, seriously? "don't mention the rest of the history because this is only about us"?
Yea, no. The rest of the world is plenty relevant to this conversation.
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It's almost always been a thing, Street. But I'm sorry it gets so much on your nerves.
He didn't f*ck that thing though. That's my point. He knew what was good for him: scantily clad Princess in a bikini.
Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon.. all the same.
He didn't f*ck that thing though. That's my point. He knew what was good for him: scantily clad Princess in a bikini.
Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon.. all the same.
But one of those things tried to "****" her. By force.
It's not the same thing, I know...just elements. Things have changed, but I don't think the changes lay exactly where you think they do.
Anyway, you seem to stressing yourself over this and I wish you wouldn't. It's not worth it.
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But one of those things tried to "****" her. By force.
It's not the same thing, I know...just elements. Things have changed, but I don't think the changes lay exactly where you think they do.
Anyway, you seem to stressing yourself over this and I wish you wouldn't. It's not worth it.
It's not stress. It's just repulsion. And involuntary. Maybe they look the same. 
It's not stress. It's just repulsion. And involuntary. Maybe they look the same.
You know, in the DA section, you used to say it was DA human x non human content that really bothered you, because you took ME less seriously, but now it seems like any of that content anywhere strikes a very deep, sore nerve with you. I can't say I really understand it, especially when it comes to something like Elves, which to me look just exactly like humans with pointed ears. I couldn't even pretend to understand your revulsion towards as mild a distinction as pointed ears, but I did think I understood it to a point once.
I thought I was just the reverse of you. I don't really like the human x alien romance thing in ME very much, because in the ME universe, I feel like we should be dealing with entirely incompatible biology. It's just a personal hang up of mine. In DA, I don't have that hang up at all, because those characters are really just humans designs with very slight adjustments. In any case, it's never seemed like a very big deal to me. And I imagine I could find an exception, if they were to design another alien race that's as similar to humans as Asari.
I do think perspective is worth discussing though, because this concept of human x non human is way older than print. In Gaelic folklore there were selkies, which are seals that turn into beautiful women. There's a story about a man catching one and making her his wife, having a lot of kids with her until she finally went back to the sea. In Asian culture, there were fox maidens. It's just a really, really old concept. This particular fringe has existed way, way, way before this generation. It's almost timeless.
Transgenderism is very easy to roleplay, specially given the tools we had in DA:I CC such as make up on male Inquisitor.
The people wanting this romance will never be disappointed, as it can always be roleplayed. Same cannot be said about people who want alien romances and such.
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You know, in the DA section, you used to say it was DA human x non human content that really bothered you, because you took ME less seriously, but now it seems like any of that content anywhere strikes a very deep, sore nerve with you. I can't say I really understand it, especially when it comes to something like Elves, which to me look just exactly like humans with pointed ears. I couldn't even pretend to understand your revulsion towards as mild a distinction as pointed ears, but I did think I understood it to a point once.
I thought I was just the reverse of you. I don't really like the human x alien romance thing in ME very much, because in the ME universe, I feel like we should be dealing with entirely incompatible biology. It's just a personal hang up of mine. In DA, I don't have that hang up at all, because those characters are really just humans designs with very slight adjustments. In any case, it's never seemed like a very big deal to me.
I do think perspective is worth discussing though, because this concept of human x non human is way older than print. In Gaelic folklore there were selkies, which are seals that turn into beautiful women. There's a story about a man catching one and making her his wife, having a lot of kids with her until she finally went back to the sea. In Asian culture, there were fox maidens. It's just a really, really old concept. This particular fringe has existed way, way, way before this generation. It's almost timeless.
I don't have a revulsion to elves. My main Warden is an elf... I paired with them with Leliana.
My only aversion to them in DAI is merely technical. Male elves look like crap. That's the artists' fault.
I just have a threshold on alien like appearances. Asari are probably the equivalent to elves here.
edit: Funnily, as for "Selkies", I had this cheesy backstory why my Cousland was darked haired. His mom secretly hooked up with a Selkie.
And his name was Ronan.
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