Can't comment.
As a person with large tattoos, which some people consider "mutilation," I'm inclined to live and let live.
Being the default means society caters to you(hypothetical you) the most, don't be absurd just because you disagree with me.
If homosexuals and transgenders aren't "Normal" because they aren't seen as the default straight person, then yes it needs to change.
once again, "normal" in this context doesn't mean people who fall outside of its definition are to be ostracized
That's certainly the fear, that designating transgenderism as an illness carries with it the implication that they can be "cured" into being cis. But I'd argue that doesn't have to be the implication, and I don't think anyone in this thread that is suggesting it's an illness has stated as such. So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
This discussion is also fundamentally different from discussions about homosexuality, because transgenderism contains within it an element of rejection; namely of the physical body, that in many cases leads to alteration of the physical body. This brings up new questions that are difficult to answer. If we accept transgender procedures, do we also accept transabled procedures? If we don't, then what's the difference between them? If we do, then are we simply committing to the belief that people are free to do whatever they wish with their own bodies (not, I might add, an entirely unsound belief, but certainly one that is not the case in modern society)?
I'm honestly shocked, that's the first time I hear about transablerism and the mere thought of it makes me completely disturbed. But I do see your point. Both cases have people trying to adequate their bodies to their hopes. I hate to admit it, but I don't know what to say about this matter.
once again, "normal" in this context doesn't mean people who fall outside of its definition are to be ostracized
You'd think they'd get it by now... *smh*
once again, "normal" in this context doesn't mean people who fall outside of its definition are to be ostracized
They why can't they just be called normal people? Why do they have to be called something other than normal human beings just because it inconveniences the current society default?
You can try as much as you'd like, but two men having sex can't produce a child.
Science accepts the challenge.
Being the default means society caters to you(hypothetical you) the most, don't be absurd just because you disagree with me.
If homosexuals and transgenders aren't "Normal" because they aren't seen as the default straight person, then yes it needs to change.
Being the default does not mean society caters to you. That's absolute nonsense.
Homosexuals and transgenders will never be "normal" or the default. It's not something you can change.
They why can't they just be called normal people? Why do they have to be called something other than normal human beings just because it inconveniences the current society default?
Because they aren't normal.
Why can't elephants be called puppies just because it inconveniences the current society default?
Okay, I know that "Source?" is often used as an opening to contest a point, but I really would like to read about this group of people that apparently considers cutting off their own limbs to be an attractive behavior.
Yeah, when I first found out about Krem, I was like, "Oh, that's interesting."
Then I got on with my life.
I'm just responding because gender issues interest me, and I'm a big enough nerd that chatting about socio-political issues on a gaming forum appeals to me.
Same. The reaction to Krem seemed so disproportionate with the content to me that it was dizzying.
"Krem is fascinating!"
"No, Krem is boring!"
And I'm, "Krem is a minor NPC and I think you're putting way too much pressure on him."
I did like some of his offhand dialogue, though. I still want to know why the worst part was the squirrels.
Being the default does not mean society caters to you. That's absolute nonsense.
Homosexuals and transgenders will never be "normal" or the default. It's not something you can change.
Yes, it does. Look at how most media caters to straight white people because they were the only ones that mattered for so long.
Homosexuals and transgenders are normal becuase there's nothing strange about being homosexual and transgender, or at least there shouldn't be.
Yes.
As a straight guy I might consider dating a post-op trans woman (and only because I know from first-hand experience that they can do a damn good job these days with sex-change operations). But pre-op "women" are automatically discarded. Why would I want to date a "woman" who is physically a man? I'm not gay.
Then again my gay best friend wouldn't date a pre-op trans "woman" either, so I suppose these "women" are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not many people want to date with them.
I don't feel sorry for them though, they could just get the operation and be done with it. It's (almost) fully subsidized in almost every western country so money shouldn't be a concern here unless you live in a 3rd world country.
The very fact that some supposed transgender people don't want to transition speaks volumes to me though. If you're really trans then wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to actually be the gender you feel you're supposed to be?
No one said you have to date them. And I doubt any would want to date someone who would try to force their ideals on them. So it seems like a win/win.
I don't think anyone is asking for you to feel sorry for them. Why would you think they need that from you?
You gotta ask Trans folks that last question. IMO, I don't think it matters, I'm not out to check out everybody's private parts to see what they have. So if a person tells me they prefer to be called X gender then whatever. I'll respect them and do as they asked. If they look like a woman/man and wearing female/male clothes, who am I to tell them it's not good enough?
I'm not up for policing other folk's genitals, But good luck with that.
They why can't they just be called normal people? Why do they have to be called something other than normal human beings just because it inconveniences the current society default?
they are normal people, but they are not "normal" people, people who experience dysphoria for example are much more likely to be suicidal as a result not just of "society" but because dysphoria causes suicidal tendencies
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Because they aren't normal.
Why can't elephants be called puppies just because it inconveniences the current society default?
I well and truly fail to understand why it is that we insist on changing or outright ignoring a word's meaning purely because some can't seem to understand what it actually means.
Okay, I know that "Source?" is often used as an opening to contest a point, but I really would like to read about this group of people that apparently considers cutting off their own limbs to be an attractive behavior.
Same. The reaction to Krem seemed so disproportionate with the content to me that it was dizzying.
"Krem is fascinating!"
"No, Krem is boring!"
And I'm, "Krem is a minor NPC and I think you're putting way too much pressure on him."
I did like some of his offhand dialogue, though. I still want to know why the worst part was the squirrels.
Krem was just an inconsequential NPC that David Gaider decided to make trans because he figured that would make Krem more interesting.
Well, it didn't. Krem is still just an inconsequential NPC with no real character development or impact, trans or not.
Yes, it does. Look at how most media caters to straight white people because they were the only ones that mattered for so long.
Homosexuals and transgenders are normal becuase there's nothing strange about being homosexual and transgender, or at least there shouldn't be.
no one here is saying that there is something objectionably wrong with being homosexual or transexual
Since I take it Steelcan and Heretic are using normal in its statistical sense, it might be better just using majority and minority. There are many perfectly fine words that have nevertheless outlived their usefulness in political and social discussion because of how they've been abused over the years, and normal is one of them.
Being the default does not mean society caters to you. That's absolute nonsense.
Pfft.
Yes, it does. Look at how most media caters to straight white people because they were the only ones that mattered for so long.
Homosexuals and transgenders are normal becuase there's nothing strange about being homosexual and transgender, or at least there shouldn't be.
You must be living in a different reality than me.
Which media is catering to straight white people and who told you that they're the only ones that mattered for so long?
Homosexuals and transgenders aren't normal because 'normal' means 'standard', 'usual', 'regular' and/or 'average' and homosexuals/transgenders are none of that.
Since I take it Steelcan and Heretic are using normal in its statistical sense, it might be better just using majority and minority. There are many perfectly fine words that have nevertheless outlived their usefulness in political and social discussion because of how they've been abused over the years, and normal is one of them.
This is not your usual Tumblr-Territory... this is advanced Tumblr-Territory.
What I'm saying is: Let's not try and say "that Word is bad, don't use that Word", especially when it's not in any Way insulting or derogatory. It's simply a Word.
Krem was just an inconsequential NPC that David Gaider decided to make trans because he figured that would make Krem more interesting.
Well, it didn't. Krem is still just an inconsequential NPC with no real character development or impact, trans or not.
What is with people in this thread rephrasing what I say as though they're making a rebuttal?
I found Krem dull, but then again I think practically every NPC in DAI was dull except for Dorian and Solas. Cole straddled the middle.
they are normal people, but they are not "normal" people, people who experience dysphoria for example are much more likely to be suicidal as a result not just of "society" but because dysphoria causes suicidal tendencies
No. Depression causes suicidal tendencies. Trans people have a high chance of acquiring depression because of the way the people they most love react to them. If you were an eight year old kid and heard from your parents that you are a freak and they should have had an abortion, you would simply break. And school it's another hell for them. There's several cases of kids like that out there, trans or no. And also cases of trans children that had full support from their families and lived their lives normally like any cis kid.
Since I take it Steelcan and Heretic are using normal in its statistical sense, it might be better just using majority and minority. There are many perfectly fine words that have nevertheless outlived their usefulness in political and social discussion because of how they've been abused over the years, and normal is one of them.
Especially when we don't even have valid statistics wrt sexuality - and probably won't unless / until some culture reaches a point where there is absolutely zero social / religious / stigma / pressure / etc. associated with sexuality.
no one here is saying that there is something objectionably wrong with being homosexual or transexual
No, they're just saying there's something inaccurate about being called "normal" and "LGBT" in the same sentence.
You must be living in a different reality than me.
Which media is catering to straight white people and who told you that they're the only ones that mattered for so long?
Homosexuals and transgenders aren't normal because 'normal' means 'standard', 'usual', 'regular' and/or 'average' and homosexuals/transgenders are none of that.
This isn't hard to grasp. The simple fact that there are many more films, tv shows, games, and other popular media that start straight white men compared to minorities and especially LGBT people is all the proof I need.
And if "normal" is being used as "majority" by you and steelcan then my stance on this matter hasn't changed.
No. Depression causes suicidal tendencies. Trans people have a high chance of acquiring depression because of the way the people they most love react to them. If you were an eight year old kid and heard from your parents that you are a freak and they should have had an abortion, you would simply break. And school it's another hell for them. There's several cases of kids like that out there, trans or no. And also cases of trans children that had full support from their families and lived their lives normally like any cis kid.
its not just society that causes depression, otherwise people who transition correctly and well would not continue to experience it, but many if not most do.
Depression is inextricably linked with Dysphoria, and not just through societal pressures.
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