You can try as much as you'd like, but two men having sex can't produce a child.
No **** sherlock. And last time i checked people didn't do sex just for reproduction. And as overpopulated as our world is now, I say reproductive sex isn't exactly a priority.
This is not your usual Tumblr-Territory... this is advanced Tumblr-Territory.
What I'm saying is: Let's not try and say "that Word is bad, don't use that Word", especially when it's not in any Way insulting or derogatory. It's simply a Word.
I'm willing to not use a word if it causes distress with people even if I'm not aware why.
There are other options to use and my vocabulary is sufficiently large enough to do so.
Especially when we don't even have valid statistics wrt sexuality - and probably won't unless / until some culture reaches a point where there is absolutely zero social / religious / stigma / pressure / etc. associated with sexuality.
Some are really close, and their statics reach 15% at most. (accounts for all bisexuals, gays, lesbians and transgenders)
Though, interestingly bisexuality is on the rise over the globe. More and more people are coming out as one, and people with theories that "all of us are born bisexuals but are enforced with culture" are happy about it.
No **** sherlock. And last time i checked people didn't do sex just for reproduction. And as overpopulated as our world is now, I say reproductive sex isn't exactly a priority.
let's not open that can of worms
You must be living in a different reality than me.
Which media is catering to straight white people and who told you that they're the only ones that mattered for so long?
Media throughout western society has, for the larger part (not the entirety, but a majority), been crafted by straight white males. This is a statistical fact. If you're going to deny that a writer's personal identity doesn't typically inform their writing, then that's going to be a semantics debate from hell.
This concept that you're dismissing as "nonsense," the one that suggests that the majority of media in western society tends to have a heteronormative bent, is so well discussed and established in the analysis of media that I can't even begin to express how comical you calling it "nonsense," is.
Again, Pfft.
Yes, it does. Look at how most media caters to straight white people because they were the only ones that mattered for so long.
Homosexuals and transgenders are normal becuase there's nothing strange about being homosexual and transgender, or at least there shouldn't be.
There is a difference between "society normal" and "biologically normal".
Also, most media caters to the audience they're trying to pull in. The Transformer movies basically are catering to anybody who can turn their brain off for a few hours and enjoy the explosion porn.
That's not something specific to "straight white people".
No **** sherlock. And last time i checked people didn't do sex just for reproduction. And as overpopulated as our world is now, I say reproductive sex isn't exactly a priority.
Irrelevant to biology, and to the discussion in general.
No **** sherlock. And last time i checked people didn't do sex just for reproduction. And as overpopulated as our world is now, I say reproductive sex isn't exactly a priority.
let's not open that can of worms
Though, interestingly bisexuality is on the rise over the globe. More and more people are coming out as one, and people with theories that "all of us are born bisexuals but are enforced with culture" are happy about it.
if people were all born bi but only pressured into heterosexuality through culture then there would be no homosexuality
What is with people in this thread rephrasing what I say as though they're making a rebuttal?
Calm down. I was actually in an agreement with you (for the most part) and giving my own view on Krem. I wasn't "rephrasing" anything.
Media throughout western society has, for the larger part (not the entirety, but a majority), been crafted by straight white males. This is a statistical fact. If you're going to deny that a writer's personal identity doesn't typically inform their writing, then that's going to be a semantics debate from hell.
This concept that you're dismissing as "nonsense," the one that suggests that the majority of media in western society tends to have a heteronormative bent, is so well discussed and established in the analysis of media that I can't even begin to express how comical you calling it "nonsense," is.
Again, Pfft.
Pfft yourself. Western society might be crafter by straight white males but not just for straight white males.
Ofcourse human society tends to be hetero-normative, that's because we are a hetero-normative species. Over 96,5% of people in the west are heterosexual.
Also what analysis of media? The analysis from tumblr-dwellers with gender studies degrees? No one takes those people seriously and for good reasons.
if people were all born bi but only pressured into heterosexuality through culture then there would be no homosexuality
Nope. It's taking this whole romance charade too far. Call me conservative but I'll probably never understand why anyone would naturally choose to dress up as their opposite sex, and I think many find it repulsive.
Yet, if history repeats itself it'll be very common and accepted in a couple of decades... But I dunno. I guess I found homosexuality repulsive at first too, but now I accept it (but I don't care for it in video games but I respect it)
if people were all born bi but only pressured into heterosexuality through culture then there would be no homosexuality
Recent studies actually indicate the reverse might be true. People are born heterosexual but become bisexual due to environmental factors. This seems especially to be the case with women (there are a lot more bisexual women than bisexual men).
Since I haven't actually given my opinion on the topic: I'd be fine with it, though I'd very much hope their character arc was about something else, and it only comes up as a just-so-you-know as you're triggering a romance.
Ever since I read The World According To Garp I've wanted to read more fictional trans characters. Fiction gives people an opportunity to read about and interact with individuals they might not get to otherwise, BioWare games with their dialogues would give players the chance to get to know someone as a person, regardless of their LGBT status. In that sense, like Gaider, I was amused by how many straight males ended up romancing Dorian.
There is a difference between "society normal" and "biologically normal".
Also, most media caters to the audience they're trying to pull in. The Transformer movies basically are catering to anybody who can turn their brain off for a few hours and enjoy the explosion porn.
That's not something specific to "straight white people".
Irrelevant to biology, and to the discussion in general.
When I look up "biologically normal" I get stuff related to breastfeeding and cholesterol levels. Why even brings this up when no-one is talking about it?
Also like Lady Artifice said most western media is created by straight white males, so other straight white males are catered to by default unless noted.
I agree that population control isn't relevant here either.
I have a question for those who want a transgender romance option because "muh realism"
What is it about this game particularly that screams 21st century bullshit gender issues to you?
What is it about this game particularly that screams 21st century bullshit gender issues to you?
In the sense that Mass Effect has always contained body modification contexts, through gene modification, synthetic modification, or otherwise, and in the sense that Mass Effect has also extrapolated current progressive tendencies into, for example, complete social acceptance of homosexuality, a transgender character would have a place. It would have a place as a romance option just about as much as any character would have a place as a romance option.
I have a question for those who want a transgender romance option because "muh realism"
What is it about this game particularly that screams 21st century bullshit gender issues to you?
They want to romance a trans character either because they are trans themselves and want a character to relate to or they want to see more diverse characters in gaming. Nothing wrong with either.
And it wouldn't have to be about the character's struggle with their transsexuality either. CronoDragoon gave a good example of how it could be brought up to the player without it defining their entire character.
And last time i checked people didn't do sex just for reproduction.
And as overpopulated as our world is now, I say reproductive sex isn't exactly a priority.
I have a question for those who want a transgender romance option because "muh realism"
What is it about this game particularly that screams 21st century bullshit gender issues to you?
I'm curious to the answer of this question as well. Like Dreamgazer and others have already states, medical science in the ME universe has advanced so far that we can actually rebuild dead people and bring them back to life. If we can do that, then I'm sure that altering the biological sex of one's body is easy-peasy, which renders the whole transgender issue obsolete in the ME universe as trans people would be no different than normal people (after the sex-change that is).
In the sense that Mass Effect has always contained body modification contexts, through gene modification, synthetic modification, or otherwise, and in the sense that Mass Effect has also extrapolated current progressive tendencies into, for example, complete social acceptance of homosexuality, a transgender character would have a place. It would have a place as a romance option just about as much as any character would have a place as a romance option.
Then why would they be considered trans? Because body modification is so advanced, why wouldn't every single trans character in the Mass Effect universe undergo the gender operation to be their "true" gender?
Some are really close, and their statics reach 15% at most. (accounts for all bisexuals, gays, lesbians and transgenders)
Though, interestingly bisexuality is on the rise over the globe. More and more people are coming out as one, and people with theories that "all of us are born bisexuals but are enforced with culture" are happy about it.
Damn. Only 15%? Back when I was in college, at most parties most people were only like 3 drinks and some good drugs away from bisexuality.
Then why would they be considered trans? Because body modification is so advanced, why wouldn't every single trans character in the Mass Effect universe undergo the gender operation to be their "true" gender?
I'm curious to the answer of this question as well. Like Dreamgazer and others have already states, medical science in the ME universe has advanced so far that we can actually rebuild dead people and bring them back to life. If we can do that, then I'm sure that altering the biological sex of one's body is easy-peasy, which renders the whole transgender issue obsolete in the ME universe as trans people would be no different than normal people (after the sex-change that is).
Right, which is why it wouldn't be presented as an issue. In my proposal, the trans character's arc and personal missions would be about something completely unrelated. I don't think many people want A Character Who Is Defined By Being Trans.
I don't think I've stated this before in this thread, but it's been on my mind for a while:
I doubt transexuality would be an issue at all in 22nd century humanity. If it happened, it could most likely be detected in utero and 'fixed' before birth.
You see, I can agree with this. Because why would anyone want their child to go through the gender dysphoria that comes with being trans? Especially in the future where these procedures would be presumably safer and quite simple to complete.
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