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Would you have wanted to go to the Conclave?


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Maybe it was a design choice to allow the player to come up with their own backstory. I usually like a character to start off less of a blank slate, personally, but I know others feel differently.

 

It seems to be what they wanted. I asked Gaider about some problems I had with an origin, and his answer was "Just make up your own backstory." Like nothing they even set in place in the codex mattered either. 

 

That would normally be OK, if I (and everyone else) didn't rule Southern Thedas and change everything I loved. That's a lot of change and responsibilty for such a mysterious character. Some backstories we create can be cool (and I like a lot of ideas I've read from people), but it doesn't matter. Even the lamest ones are just as appropriate.

 

This is the TES way of affecting a world. Random prisoner becomes a demigod. I wanted the Bioware way of doing things (or at least, how Bioware has handled stories for the last several games).


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And by this I mean, would you have wanted an Origin like sequence in the conclave that differs based on race/class? I think that this would've been an interesting way to introduce the player to the world and to allow for characterization/foreshadowing. I'll give some examples of what I mean.

Human Warrior/Rogue:
-Mingle with nobles, maybe even establish(or injure) a relationship for the Empress plot.
-Maybe have enough clout to get a moment of conversation with the Divine
-I heard once that Free March nobles were related to the Amell/Hawke bloodline. Maybe you could give an opinion on crazy cousin Hawke's stance on the Mage/Templar issue.

Human Mage:
-As a Mage, you'd take a step back from the main floor, be more of an observer.
-Perhaps you notice an Elf spy wandering about somewhere they shouldn't, and your heroic/bored enough to investigate
-Or not, and you just observe the proceedings, maybe even observe a brawl that breaks out away from the main proceedings

Elf Warrior/Rogue:
-You've been snuck in as a servant, and keep a watch for your compatriots.
-Maybe cause an incident by getting indignant with a noble(doesn't matter, they'll die before it's a problem, just a matter of characterization).

Elf Mage:
-You represent a group of mages who came to the conclave
-Maybe debate, receive info you otherwise wouldn't that's relevant to a future quest

I could come up with more for others, but I'm tired. What do you think?

Edit: in my ideal world, there would be a default version of one race doing things, throughout the conclave that you might see/run into.

 

Actually, I thought this was going to be the way the game began when we first began hearing the spoilers about the conclave.

 

I was disappointed to say the least......



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Yeah, it could have been fun. It wouldn't have had to be anything elaborate. It could have been like the beginning of Champions of the Just where you arrive at Therinfall Redoubt and meet Lord Abernache. You could even mix with the assembled people (nobles, templars, and mages alike) as a noble (human), junior mage (human mage), servant (Dalish), mercenary (qunari), or merchant/smuggler (dwarf), but nobody would really have much to say to you because you aren't a key player, you're just some nobody who's there. You could have ducked into a corridor, paused with your hand on a door, and then everything could have gone black.


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And who knows, maybe they would have liked to put something like that in, but couldn't or decided not to for whatever reason. Maybe it was a design choice to allow the player to come up with their own backstory. I usually like a character to start off less of a blank slate, personally, but I know others feel differently. As I was playing my first playthrough I wasn't sure how much of a backstory my character was supposed to actually remember, considering they had amnesia.


Well it's not as if it's presented as if your character doesn't know who they are or anything along those lines. They just can't remember the events of the explosion. We later learn that the reason is because Nightmare stole those memories.
 
 

It seems to be what they wanted. I asked Gaider about some problems I had with an origin, and his answer was "Just make up your own backstory." Like nothing they even set in place in the codex mattered either.


I'd like to know what your actual question was. Did it relate to the information given in the Codex or was it just about the Conclave?

Even with the Codex information, it is usually so vague as to allow you to create anything you want, within reason. But even the reasonable limits are pretty far out there if you're creative enough.



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Well it's not as if it's presented as if your character doesn't know who they are or anything along those lines. They just can't remember the events of the explosion. We later learn that the reason is because Nightmare stole those memories.


Yeah they are presented as knowing their name and family and whatnot. I just didn't know how much of the immediate past we were supposed to know...like why they were at the conclave in the first place, did they come alone, or know anyone there, etc. They give a little blurb. But my first character wasn't fleshed out that much until I replayed. I just find it harder to create my own backstory for drop in characters I guess. I know some people prefer it that way.

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^ I tend to replay the same character. As such, I find that I actually "learn" about them as I play the game. When I first started my canon character I didn't really know anything about him beyond the Codex info. I've since developed him significantly. So I totally get where you're coming from.



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I would have.



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I'd like to know what your actual question was. Did it relate to the information given in the Codex or was it just about the Conclave?

Even with the Codex information, it is usually so vague as to allow you to create anything you want, within reason. But even the reasonable limits are pretty far out there if you're creative enough.

 

I asked about Noble Trevelyan's age and wondered if I could be 30+ and already an established Chantry brother or something. And yet still be the "youngest" of the family. He's given similar answers elsewhere, I think. He said something on Twitter like "You guys are going to make your own headcanon anyways. Just make up your own backstory."

 

Like I said above, it's more like Bethesda's MO. Or maybe he's resigned and just giving up. I don't know. I should have told him I loved DA2, when it mattered. :P



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I wanted to know more about my qunari PCs background. Did his parents meet and fall in love while still following the qun, or after they became Tal Vashoth? Did they leave the qun to be together? Are they still alive? Are they mercenaries as well? I played a mage, and a saarebas is mentioned as being his mentor. What was that like? Is his mentor still alive? Were they close?

 

The character was basically a blank slate. I would have liked a little more context



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I was really hoping for this prior to release.

 

It would have offered a great opportunity to explore and define our character before throwing them into crisis, which was one of the great strength's of DAO's Origins.

 

And since they all would have been set in the same location, and probably shared some of the same content, it probably wouldn't have been as resource intensive as DAO's Origins.  I'll consider it a casualty of race selection being a late decision in development.  I still hope to see it in DA4.



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I would have loved to be at the Conclave. I believe that every class/race already has a reason for being there, given in the character creation at the beginning. In order to maintain the air of mystery about what transpired at the conclave leading up to the explosion perhaps we could have relieved the events while in the Fade when the Inquisitor regained their memory. It would have been interesting to see exactly what led us to the Divine and to talk to both sides of the conflict and colleagues based on class as well as various entries, etc.



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Only problem is, I think the start I believe, was intentional for the direction of the story, in that regard. You weren't supposed to know what was going on. All you remember is an explosion, things chasing you.. and a woman.

 

Undoubtedly, but personally, I thought it was really clumsy. As the player, I just kept thinking "wtf, why does this guy not remember anything of what he was smack in the middle of??" It just felt like some convenient contrivance for the Herald not to have the answers. It made sense after the explanation, but I think it would have been more effective to actually know that the character's mind was wiped so we could get what all the floundering was about.

 

In addition, being able to be part of the conclave and interact with characters around there would have been enlightening and a valuable RP'ing opportunity in a game which was lacking them -- allowing the player to flesh out his/her background, beliefs, and set a general tone for the rest of the game. Instead, we were put on a linear path for every character we created.



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I asked about Noble Trevelyan's age and wondered if I could be 30+ and already an established Chantry brother or something. And yet still be the "youngest" of the family. He's given similar answers elsewhere, I think. He said something on Twitter like "You guys are going to make your own headcanon anyways. Just make up your own backstory."

 

Like I said above, it's more like Bethesda's MO. Or maybe he's resigned and just giving up. I don't know. I should have told him I loved DA2, when it mattered. :P

 

I don't necessarily think that means that the codex doesn't matter, but he does tend to be sensitive about the fact that "word of Gaider" is an actual thing and people can get really carried away even when he makes an errant, innocuous comment. So I think with that pat response he's really erring on the side of caution.

 

Also, you have to consider that some players are more into the RP aspect than others. Some are willing to throw out even bare-bones information in favor of their own thing, whereas others (me) might like an establishing baseline, such as what we are presented with in DAI.

 

Given the ages of the companions, I don't think it's unreasonable that your character be 30+ (my own is 30 as well). As far as being the youngest is concerned, as far as I know there isn't anything establishing the ages of the parents, so they could certainly be in their 50s. Many families tend to pop out several children in succession, so Trev's mom could have been younger than 25 when she had the last one, depending on various factors.