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[Guanxii]

Except that wouldn't make a single bit of sense. In an age where everything is documented and recorded and stored how would the details of how the ****ing REAPERS were stopped be "lost to time"? That scene at the end with the kid and the pedophile only made sense when the endings all involved technology being destroyed by the Crucible. Once they retconned the ending so the Normandy just crashed for no reason and technology was fine that scene no longer made any sense or had any relevance. It wouldn't be possible for us to forget how the Reapers were stopped.

In an alternate canon we are not bound to the crucible solutions: leave it as a mystery and people who choose to believe it was a crucible solution will be happy and those who can't stand the original endings even more so. 

[MrFob]

All ending variations happened all at once. Red, Blue, Green.

*snip*

 

 

No thanks. ME3 already ripped off Deus Ex with the ending, there is no need for ME:A to rip off Deus Ex: Invisible War's biggest mistake as far as plot was concerned as well.

[Iakus]

No they didn't. No one could have known what Sovereign was. They didn't get everyone to forget what happened, they just lied about what Sovereign was.

Right, so they could spin the Reapers into being something else.  Blame the Leviathans, maybe.  Yet another Cerberus project gone wrong.  

[Steppenwolf]

In an alternate canon we are not bound to the crucible solutions: leave it as a mystery and people who choose to believe it was a crucible solution will be happy and those who can't stand the original endings even more so.

If it doesn't make any sense at all why would it make anyone happy?

[Iakus]

If it doesn't make any sense at all why would it make anyone happy?

 

Because it literally establishes "there is no canon" and everyone is free to make up their own.

[Steppenwolf]

Right, so they could spin the Reapers into being something else.  Blame the Leviathans, maybe.  Yet another Cerberus project gone wrong.

But that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're talking about what happened to the Reapers, not where they came from. Who could forget that a wave of red light enveloped the galaxy and then all the Reapers fell over dead? Or that a wave of blue light enveloped the galaxy and then the Reapers were suddenly nice and stuck around to help out? Or that a wave of green light enveloped the galaxy and then every living thing became techno-organic?

[Steppenwolf]

Because it literally establishes "there is no canon" and everyone is free to make up their own.

Right, but that would mean that all of your decisions were ultimately null and void, which would make no one happy.

[Iakus]

Right, but that would mean that all of your decisions were ultimately null and void, which would make no one happy.

Well, it's not like they matter much now either.

[Guanxii]

Right, but that would mean that all of your decisions were ultimately null and void, which would make no one happy.

You defeated the reapers your way, I did it mine. The details still stand but they don't bare repeating because you already know how it happened.

[Iakus]

But that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're talking about what happened to the Reapers, not where they came from. Who could forget that a wave of red light enveloped the galaxy and then all the Reapers fell over dead? Or that a wave of blue light enveloped the galaxy and then the Reapers were suddenly nice and stuck around to help out? Or that a wave of green light enveloped the galaxy and then every living thing became techno-organic?

 

Rumors of surviving Reapers hanging out on the fringes of space, watching the galaxy, waiting for...something?  Occasional unconfirmed sightings are reported, but no one of any authority will comment.

 

Stories circling among conspiracy theory circles of a "camouflage" introduced via a retrovirus that makes the Reapers ignore us.   But the governments aren't talking, no sir!

[Steppenwolf]

Well, it's not like they matter much now either.

Of course they do. A change of setting to sidestep addressing the fallout of your choices has no impact on the choices you made. The Milky Way still exists in the state you left it in.
 

You defeated the reapers your way, I did it mine. The details still stand but they don't bare repeating because you already know how it happened.

Rumors of surviving Reapers hanging out on the fringes of space, watching the galaxy, waiting for...something?  Occasional unconfirmed sightings are reported, but no one of any authority will comment.
 
Stories circling among conspiracy theory circles of a "camouflage" introduced via a retrovirus that makes the Reapers ignore us.   But the governments aren't talking, no sir!

Answering bad writing with bad writing will make everyone rejoice?

[Torgette]

Just say that the crucible firing was such a powerful explosion that it ripped time and space and created 3 different dimensions (with refusal being the only one in our current dimension). Then write a story that involves jumping dimensions or somesuch crazy nonsense for the lulz.

[Iakus]

 
Answering bad writing with bad writing will make everyone rejoice?

Well, we are heading for Andromeda, so...apparently?  

[DaemionMoadrin]

Just say that the crucible firing was such a powerful explosion that it ripped time and space and created 3 different dimensions (with refusal being the only one in our current dimension). Then write a story that involves jumping dimensions or somesuch crazy nonsense for the lulz.

 

That would make everything even worse. Dimension hopping and time travel are always messy, there is no clean way to solve those.

[Han Shot First]

If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think their best option is to have a fan poll, similar to what they did with default Fem Shep's appearance. Ask fans to vote on which ending of Mass Effect 3 they'd most like to see as the basis for a sequel. After that poll is closed, use the ending that came out on top as the sole basis for your sequel. Also make it clear that the other choices are still canon, but that the sequel only explores one potential future.

 

It wouldn't please everyone, but nothing Bioware could do with a Milky Way setting would please everyone at this point. I think the above is their best option however because it gets the fans involved and lets them decide, doesn't render the two losing choices non-canon, and makes the job of the writers much easier by only needing to focus on the results of one ending. The latter is much more likely to produce an interesting sequel than trying (and likely failing) to somehow blend all three choices into something remotely satisfying. Letting the fans vote for the concept of the sequel would also generate some free hype before development had even started.

[DaemionMoadrin]

If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think their best option is to have a fan poll, similar to what they did with default Fem Shep's appearance.

 

Yeah no. They only asked a percentage of Xbox players. That was in no shape or form representative and I'd be massively upset with them if they used something like that as basis for a new game.

[Eryri]

Of course they do. A change of setting to sidestep addressing the fallout of your choices has no impact on the choices you made. The Milky Way still exists in the state you left it in. 

I'm not intending to sound facetious, but if we can never see or experience the consequences of our choices in the Milky Way then, like the proverbial sound of a tree falling in an empty wood, does the Milky Way still really exist in the state we left it in? What was the point of giving us those three choices at the end of ME3 if we never get to see how they played out in the next game?

[Steppenwolf]

If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think their best option is to have a fan poll, similar to what they did with default Fem Shep's appearance.

You mean the poll in which fans voted for a blonde femShep and then a bunch of whiners got BioWare it to a redhead femShep?

I'm not intending to sound facetious, but if we can never see or experience the consequences of our choices in the Milky Way then, like the proverbial sound of a tree falling in an empty wood, does the Milky Way still really exist in the state we left it in? What was the point of giving us those three choices at the end of ME3 if we never get to see how they played out in the next game?

If you had a few kids and then died in a car accident when they were still young do those children cease to exist since you'll never get to see what they amount to?
If you're sitting on the couch in your living room with your dog but get up to go to the bathroom does your dog cease to exist or become pointless just because you're not in the same room any more?
If you were in a long term relationship with someone and eventually broke up does that entire relationship become pointless when you find someone new?

If you answered 'yes' to any of these questions, congratulations! You're dumb!

[Han Shot First]

Yeah no. They only asked a percentage of Xbox players. That was in no shape or form representative and I'd be massively upset with them if they used something like that as basis for a new game.

 

I'm not advocating for an 'Xbox only poll.' Obviously if they went that route and polled the fanbase on which ending to port for a sequel it should not be limited by platform.

 

Its far from perfect but there is no perfect solution to dealing with ME3's endings.

 

The only options are either to only import one as the basis of a sequel, import them all but muddle the aftermath so that all three get the same world state, or ignore them all and create a sequel that doesn't flow from any of the endings. Or they can do what Andromeda is currently doing, say 'Nope!' and leave the Milky Way and ME3's endings behind.

 

If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think using only one ending as the basis for the sequel is by far the best option. Ignoring the endings entirely and pretending ME3 doesn't exist would render the entire Shepard trilogy pointless, and going for a sequel that combines the results of all three endings would result in a disappointing sequel where you'd have things like everyone a cyborg post-Destroy and Reapers destroyed or gone in Synthesis or Control. I'd much rather just see a single ending used as the basis of a Milky Way sequel, even if it wasn't the ending I chose.

 

If they did go with a sequel based only on a single ending I think the poll would deflect some (but not all criticism), and it gets the fans involved, which isn't a bad thing.

[Eryri]

If you had a few kids and then died in a car accident when they were still young do those children cease to exist since you'll never get to see what they amount to?If you're sitting on the couch in your living room with your dog but get up to go to the bathroom does your dog cease to exist or become pointless just because you're not in the same room any more?If you were in a long term relationship with someone and eventually broke up does that entire relationship become pointless when you find someone new?If you answered 'yes' to any of these questions, congratulations! You're dumb!

No need to get hostile.

I don't feel that your analogies really apply, unless said kids, dog and romantic partner were invisible, immaterial works of fiction created purely for the purposes of entertainment.
The strength of video games, compared to other media, is that our choices can have visible consequences to the plot. But if Bioware never intended to reflect the ending choices in the following game, then their consequences were extremely limited, affecting at most the last 10 minutes of ME3. They therefore caused far more trouble than they were worth. Bioware would be far better off canonising one of them one of them and continuing the story in the Milky Way, since they apparently weren't that important anyway.

[themikefest]

If Bioware ever returns to the Milky Way I think their best option is to have a fan poll, similar to what they did with default Fem Shep's appearance. Ask fans to vote on which ending of Mass Effect 3 they'd most like to see as the basis for a sequel. After that poll is closed, use the ending that came out on top as the sole basis for your sequel. Also make it clear that the other choices are still canon, but that the sequel only explores one potential future.

It would be destroy I'm sure. I wouldn't mind

 

They could also go by what the guy said to the kid. The details have changed over time. Have it where the crucible fires as soon as the arms to the Citadel are fully opened. The reapers are destroyed or it sent out a pulse that changed the progamming of the reapers causing them to leave the milky way never to be seen again

[TheN7Penguin]

Solution - Mass Effect Andromeda, whilst set after Mass Effect 3, is 2,538,000 light years away from Earth. Plenty of time to get the plot over and done with before the events of Mass Effect 3 would even BEGIN to impact Andromeda - that is, if the Crucible blast would even reach there. I mean, if you're a soldier sent in a ship or something to explore a galaxy habitable for if the attack on the Reapers fails so everyone else can abandon the Milky Way - you have plenty of time to do things before the Crucible explosion.

[Steppenwolf]

No need to get hostile.

I don't feel that your analogies really apply, unless said kids, dog and romantic partner were invisible, immaterial works of fiction created purely for the purposes of entertainment.
The strength of video games, compared to other media, is that our choices can have visible consequences to the plot. But if Bioware never intended to reflect the ending choices in the following game, then their consequences were extremely limited, affecting at most the last 10 minutes of ME3. They therefore caused far more trouble than they were worth. Bioware would be far better off canonising one of them one of them and continuing the story in the Milky Way, since they apparently weren't that important anyway.

So the only way ME3 could have any worth is for future sequels to pick up where the end left off? That's entirely stupid.

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

Part of me hopes that Andromeda is being used both as a plot device and as an attempt to stall for time so that the overall story can somehow be reconnected to the MW.

[TMA LIVE]

Part of me hopes that Andromeda is being used both as a plot device and as an attempt to stall for time so that the overall story can somehow be reconnected to the MW.

 

That's what I'm thinking the long term plan is. Not only does ME3's endings include galaxy changing endings, but the game itself killed off some races as well, depending on your choices. If you had survivors sent to another galaxy, and had them prosper into huge colonies for many years, then when they comes back to the milky way, you don't need an excuse for why there's Genophage Krogan still running around (and some not), why there's Quarians still in suits (and some not), how there's Geth still around (though not the same as the Geth we saw in ME3), and how Humans, Asari, and Turians aren't synthesized (and some are). Players could pick the refuse ending, and it would still be canon, because it's the Andromeda galaxy that fills the Milky Way back after the war. Hell, maybe it's the Andromeda Galaxy that finishes off the Reapers in that Canon when they arrive. It would explain the human kid still being around, even if Grandpa is dead. Even the Modded ending could be considered Canon, because there would be nothing to deny it.