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[Br3admax]

We live in a world where a bombing every few days is completely normal, obviously. It's a sign of the times when you need a bunch of short or tall humans with pointy ears to be interesting. 

[KaiserShep]

I guess that this is what you get when only one race in the game has the advantage of being real. 

 

In any case, I'm indifferent to which race is "interesting" or more relevant to a particular game's story when it comes to picking one for my own character. I always play human, and simply have my character view these fantastical shenanigans through the eyes of such, be it elfy tomfoolery or qunari madness.

[Dai Grepher]

Hear me out. Regardless of which race you prefer to play, you can't deny that certain implications and revelations about certain races makes them seem more interesting and opens up more potential revelations in the future.  For instance:

 

Elves: The elven pantheon is real, arlathan wasn't the paradise elves made it out to be, ancient elves apparently using red lyrium.

 

Dwarves: lyrium is alive which opens up a lot of implications about dwarves being resistant to it and the stone in general, dwarves having things called titans, dagna's talk implying that dwarves had some kind of hive mind, and the implication that dwarves were forcibly cut off from the fade.

 

Qunari: Qunari are apparently an artificial dragon-blooded race, they are apparently so afraid of the kossith that being hornless makes you important apparently for looking like a kossith, qunari apparently being uncontrollable berserkers kept in check by the qun, and how they are apparently a mistake.

 

 

What revelations have humans made that is close to what we learn about the other races?

 

The one thing that makes humans the best at dealing with these things in the future is that they are the only ones who can deal with it. The elves are too fractured and ignorant, the Qunari have no interest in understanding magic, and the dwarves can't use magic and have too many problems of their own to deal with. Humans are the only ones capable of solving Thedas' problems. Even if you have a non-human Inquisitor, the Inquisition is comprised mostly of humans.

 

Now as for what makes them more interesting, diversity. Humans have various backgrounds and areas of expertise. They also excel past almost all races in almost all areas. Yes, dwarves are better at building and crafting, but human lands have dwarves too. Elves might be more in tune with magic and the Fade, but human lands have elves too. Humans can utilize these races and direct them to the necessary tasks. The only ones who have something over humans are the Qunari with their technology and chemistry. Though, all the humans need here are some knowledgeable tal-vashoth.
 

Humans also have Andrastism, which seems to be correct on all points so far.

 

Humans have wealth, power, and lands. Humans have information and history. Dwarves might keep better records, but their records only deal with dwarven history. Elves suck at this. As my boy Abelas said, "Elven legend is wrong."

 

Humans are better at exploring and researching magic. The elves cast out mages if they have too many of them in one clan. They rarely learn anything new. The humans have various circles in which to learn magic and gather knowledge.

 

So I think humans are still far more interesting.

 

As to the content of your post, the elven pantheon is not real as the Dalish understand it. They were either powerful mages, or spirits, or both. And they were not good. They warred with each other and they made slaves of other elves. Their creation story is a myth. Also, I don't think they used red lyrium. I think the pictures on the walls are actually showing bloodmagic.

 

I'm not sure lyrium is alive like Bianca thinks, but even if it is, lyrium being alive doesn't necessarily make the dwarves more interesting. They can't use it personally. Humans can though. And the dwarves being cut off from the Fade for the most part makes them less interesting, I would think. As for the titans, that is probably just another name for the golems.

 

The qunari might be dragon/human/elf hybrids of some kind, or the descendants of them or whatever, but who is implicated in having created them? Humans. Also, I think it was said that the horned qunari are intimidated by the hornless qunari because they are so rare and are better able to blend in with humans. I read something about how they seem intimidating to horned qunari. But I'm not all that certain on this issue.

 

What have humans done? Walked physically in the Fade, breached the Golden City, built most of Thedas, established societies, etc.

[JadeDragon]

The fact that humans have more cultural diversity to me at least makes them more interesting then any race because after you get past the cosmetics of each race and compare cultures humans win by a longshot. Dalish elves are pretty much the same trying to preserve as much traditions as possible which in my opinion is holding them back. The Qun seems to give Qunari a tech advantage but there culture is very much a taboo to thedas. Dwarves may ne the 2nd most diverse because surface orzammar and Kal sharok are all somewhat different even though it wasn't there choice surface and Kali sharok Dwarves were forces to adapt.

[berelinde]

Oh, look, hate on humans. How edgy. 

 

Seriously, though, I've completed DAI with every race and every class, and I don't think any of them is any more or less relevant to the story than the others. That said, I got the most enjoyment from playing humans, dwarves, and qunari, in approximately that order. Of the four playable races, I found elves to be the least interesting to me. The lore was kinda neat, but so was the lore pertaining to dwarves, qunari, and yes, humans, and the latter three didn't feel as forced.

 

People deride things by describing them as "vanilla," but that's hardly the insult they intend. Vanilla can be subtle, it's true, and in ways that clash with a lot of people's idea of what subtle should be (hint: binary thinking doesn't really work here, so if you're describing something in terms of "good" and "boring", most of it is probably going straight over your head). It isn't going to beat you over the head and scream "I'm subtle!" because that's entirely missing the point. But there's a reason vanilla is one of the most popular spices on the planet, despite being one of the most expensive. Wars have been fought over it, and new lands explored for its cultivation. Queen Elizabeth I of England instructed her cooks to flavor just about everything with the spice because it was rare (and I suppose, because she liked it), and because its use underlined the opulence of her reign. Scientists have determined that the fragrance of vanilla is an aphrodisiac. So much for boring!

[TheJediSaint]

People who say humans are boring haven't met enough of them.

[Augustei]

What you don't find evolution interesting?
Sten's comments about humans being related to monkeys and such
 

[Catche Jagger]

I've always held this opinion when playing RPGs like Dragon Age. Humans are generally treated as the 'default' and therefore have less interesting lore behind them.

[The Baconer]

I don't know how one could find an entire race boring, regardless of the race.

 

Well, unless the writing makes it so... but that certainly isn't the case with humans in Dragon Age.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I suppose humans as a race aren't that interesting since they don't have natural abilities that revolve a mysterious ancient past like the dwarves, elves and qunari do, but in terms of cultural diversity humans beat the the other three races easily.

 

Lets see. 

 

Humans have; the Chasind, the Avvar, Ferelden, Orlais, Tevinter, Neverra, the Anderfells, Rivain, the Free Marches and Seheron. (10)

Dwarves have; Orzammar, Kal-Sharok and the Surface dwarves (3)

Elves have; Dalish Elves, City Elves and now Sentinel Elves (3)

Qunari have; Qun Followers and Tal-Vashoth (2)

[nightscrawl]

The fact that humans have more cultural diversity to me at least makes them more interesting then any race because after you get past the cosmetics of each race and compare cultures humans win by a longshot. Dalish elves are pretty much the same trying to preserve as much traditions as possible which in my opinion is holding them back. The Qun seems to give Qunari a tech advantage but there culture is very much a taboo to thedas. Dwarves may ne the 2nd most diverse because surface orzammar and Kal sharok are all somewhat different even though it wasn't there choice surface and Kali sharok Dwarves were forces to adapt.

 

The problem here is that humans are more developed in the Dragon Age universe, this being a result of the developers actually being human. Qunari got more development in DA2 and DAI, elves got more development in DAI, and the dwarves have been languishing a bit since DAO. I don't really think there can be any sort of equal or fair comparison and it's really down to personal preference for what one likes.

[Aren]

That does not make the elven race itself interesting. They are still downtrodden urchins. Disgusting failures of downtrodden urchins at that. Also stupid. 

 

 I still found Orzammar to be boring as hell, oddly enough.

 

That's the nice thing about opinions. No matter how much people try to beat them in, they'll never really be true. 

Yes i do like every races of DA as it is,and i found some of the elves characters and companions to be really awesome.

Also i found Orzammar to be one of the best crafted city in the franchise.

[Lazarillo]

I suppose humans as a race aren't that interesting since they don't have natural abilities that revolve a mysterious ancient past like the dwarves, elves and qunari do, but in terms of cultural diversity humans beat the the other three races easily.

 

On the contrary, I feel like the backstory actually does leave humans in Thedas as still kind of mysterious.  They just kinda showed up out of nowhere around the times the Elves were supposedly self-destructing, and managed to more or less take hold of the whole continent in short order.  I feel like there's probably more to the story than just that, though...

 

Actually, I hadn't thought of it until I was posting this, but..."short" lifespans, suddenly appearing while the Elves and their "gods" are busy killing each other...Humans are gonna turn out to be Clone Troopers, aren't they?

[Aren]

 

On the contrary, I feel like the backstory actually does leave humans in Thedas as still kind of mysterious.  They just kinda showed up out of nowhere

From caves maybe?

[Suketchi]

[Lazarillo]

From caves maybe?

 

Are you implying humans are basically just big dwarves?

[Youknow]

I don't think so. Humans have the most diverse set of cultures and the most pronounced ones. Any race that isn't pretty much breathing their races' culture is pretty much quickly assimilated into the human culture. The other races' do have cool things I'll admit, but I don't think that humans are any less interesting though.

[TK514]

I think the current diversity of human cultures makes them interesting, and the revelations to come will keep them that way.

[Aren]

Are you implying humans are basically just big dwarves?

 

Yes humans are just dwarves with the titans.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know why, but this sentence is confusing the hell out of me. I know all the words.. I just don't understand them all together.


What do mean by "with the titans"?

It's vague ancient dwarven alien bullshit that the devs thought up after watching too much history channel

[Boost32]

I don't know why, but this sentence is confusing the hell out of me. I know all the words.. I just don't understand them all together.

 

 

What do mean by "with the titans"?

Dwarves were all a Titan, who died, then his flesh became dwarves and his blood became lyrium.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ugh