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JRandall0308

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This is *not* intended to denigrate anyone's skills, nor to claim I could do this (because I certainly couldn't).

 

Is is possible to sub-20 Platinum with all characters?

 

Do some characters inherently have slower TTK (Time To Kill) than others, making sub-20 'impossible'?

 

I figure you can use any gun on any character, so that's a wash.

Maps are maps.

Leaving only the characters themselves as the variable.

 

And I'm curious which characters (if any!) are inherently 'slower' to play.

 

Your thoughts?



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TheNightSlasher

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Impossible. Honestly, I think only 10 characters or so can actually go sub 20 on platinum.
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JRandall0308

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But why? Elaborate! :)

 

Edited to add: 'impossible' or merely 'extremely difficult and tedious to try over and over'.



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I agree with NightSlasher. There's no way you could go sub-20 with all characters. All classes, I would think of course, but definitely not all characters.



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Impossible. Honestly, I think only 10 characters or so can actually go sub 20 on platinum.

 

And that is only, if played on peesea.



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Sub 20 is pretty insane on some characters so I cannot even begin to imagine that but some characters that play the slowest for me personally by class are:

 

Adept:  Volus

Soldier: Jug- just because of movement speed

Engineer: Saboturian but there are no bad engineers

Sentinel: Volus

Infiltrator: Shadow

Vangurad: Volus



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TheNightSlasher

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But why? Elaborate! :)

Edited to add: 'impossible' or merely 'extremely difficult and tedious to try over and over'.

A lot of characters simply aren't capable of delivering enough sustained DPS.

Edit: Even with guns like incendiary reegar and perfect obj and spawns, its impossible for a good bunch of characters to go sub 20. Alquinn beat me to it.

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In theory you could go Reegar on most of the shitter classes (like Volus Sentinel) have a more or less perfect game and still not come even close to sub20.

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Hmm, Is it possible to solo Glacier / Plat with 3 x devices?



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NuclearTech76

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Impossible. Honestly, I think only 10 characters or so can actually go sub 20 on platinum.

GI

DAI

TGI

AIU

QMI

QME

Talon Merc

Kroguard

Batguard

Bat Soldier

Krosoldier

Trooper

Vorcha Sentinel

Vorcha Soldier

Valkyrie



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^ To be honest, I doubt QME and QMI's ability to go sub-20. There are only so many grenades you can chuck in a solo setting (esp. vs. cerb/glacier, which is the best setting for speedruns). Then again, I almost never play those two character so I may not be the best judge. For similar reasons, BatSol and KroSol look like a stretch. 

 

A lot of kits look good to go sub-20 on paper but my in-game experience proves otherwise. Obviously, I am speaking from solely my PoV - there are better plat soloers out there. 


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ClydeInTheShell

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Hmm, Is it possible to solo Glacier / Plat with 3 x devices?

No because rage quit would preclude any attempt at such nonsense.


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I doubt it, OP.



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Heldarion

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Hmm, Is it possible to solo Glacier / Plat with 3 x devices?


With some luck. Cerb waves 3 and 6 are not too bad but w10 is terrible.

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Currently, only the GI, DAI, Batguard, GT, and Talon have been sub-20'd (note that some of those aren't in the plat solo HoF but can be found on Youtube) to my knowledge. The Kroguard could also do it if someone cared enough to grind it out (currently I believe the fastest Kroguard time is 20:xx). I think it's remotely possible for the Reegar AIU, but even then I'm a little skeptical. 

 

Beyond that, I doubt many kits -- or any at all -- can be sub-20'd. On paper it looks as if someone could put a Reegar on, say, the Valkyrie and get a sub-20 completion (currently the fastest time for her is 21:36 with the Venom on Glacier with AC V), but in practice I feel she simply fails to tank enough damage as she closes into reegar range with the enemy and maintain enough sustained DPS to reach Reegar Batguard/Kroguard levels. Maybe I'm just bad and die a lot tho. 

 

Not to mention, of the three maps that have been sub20'd to my knowledge (White, Giant, Glacier), the fastest one (Glacier) isn't particularly grenade rich. I think that effectively knocks a lot of the powerful grenade-reliant kits out of competition. 

 

So in my opinion, it's impossible for all kits, and improbable without an essentially perfect game* for even some of the most powerful kits that haven't been sub-20'd.  There are better players and more versatile soloists than I who might have a differing opinion, but even then, I'd be really skeptical if anyone would even be willing to try such a thing given the grind involved. 

 

* and by perfect I mean pretty much 10 WS, and perfectly placed spawns and objectives and 100% optimal missile use. Which is something I've actually never seen or achieved. 


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No, it's already a struggle to sub-20 for the best players on PC with the top-dps kits. If I'm correct, only 4 characters have a sub-20 platinum solo so far : GI, DAI, GT and Talon Merc*. So, 2 infiltrators with great passives and a debuff, and two kits with AoE powers hugely effective against armor. Do you realize how far from these 4 characters a, let's say, volus merc, is in terms of sustained dps ? Yeah, you can equip him with an incendiary Reegar and 9 missiles, but without any means to exploit the incendiary glitch and detonate ammo on demand, it's simply impossible. 

 

Several characters in the platinum solos HOF have runs around 23-25 mins (QME, Paladin, Valkyrie...) but, while cutting the time by 3-4 minutes isn't a big deal for a 35-40 minutes run, it's really a HUGE step for such fast solos.

 

*Edit: Yeah, batguard too.


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Impossible is a really strong word.

 

I'm willing to believe that its impossible to do sub-20 plat with, say, Volus Merc, but if someone has already soloed plat in 24 min with a specific kit, it's going to take same really, really strong argumentation for me to believe that sub-20 with that kit is truly, completely impossible.


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No, because Volus Mercenary Sentinel. All the rest maybe.


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I've never sub-20'ed Platinum with a whole team. Of course, I'm more a Gold player. And I favor pugging. And I suck at soloing. And ME3.

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GI

DAI

TGI

AIU

QMI

QME

Talon Merc

Kroguard

Batguard

Bat Soldier

Krosoldier

Trooper

Vorcha Sentinel

Vorcha Soldier

Valkyrie

I think it's too optimistic. I don't believe the QMI can sub-20. His average passives and a debuff affecting only one target and with a long animation disqualify him IMO.

 

I'm also very skeptical for the 2 vorchas. Yes, the GT has sub-20'd, but his Flamer receives more buffs from Fortification and HM. The vorchas kinda compensate for it by equiping a power amp 4, but they have also to choose between 9 missiles and wallhax. Besides, the best faction  to go fast (Cerberus) isn't so great for them because of all their high hitscan attacks.

 

I would also be really really amazed if someone managed to sub-20 with the TGI.  



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It's not possible.

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I would also be really really amazed if someone managed to sub-20 with the TGI.  

 

Likewise, although I think it could be possible with some crazy min-maxing.



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It's entirely possible. You just need a full team and equip them with armored compartments. ;)


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Impossible is a really strong word.

 

I'm willing to believe that its impossible to do sub-20 plat with, say, Volus Merc, but if someone has already soloed plat in 24 min with a specific kit, it's going to take same really, really strong argumentation for me to believe that sub-20 with that kit is truly, completely impossible.

Going from 24 to sub-20 means reducing the time by almost 17%. At this level of speed, it's really huge. Slasher could tell you more about that, as I think it took him 25-30 tries to simply go from 20:30 to sub 20 with the DAI.



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Likewise, although I think it could be possible with some crazy min-maxing.

What weapon would you take if you had to try such a madness ?