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[Heldarion]

What weapon would you take if you had to try such a madness ?

 

Probalby not one, but two. Reegar and something, Harrier or idk.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

If sub-20 isn't possible with all characters, what would be the time that you all agree it would  be possible to beat with all characters? 25 minutes? 30? (I really have no idea, so I'm asking seriously.)

[TheNightSlasher]

Impossible is a really strong word.

 

I'm willing to believe that its impossible to do sub-20 plat with, say, Volus Merc, but if someone has already soloed plat in 24 min with a specific kit, it's going to take same really, really strong argumentation for me to believe that sub-20 with that kit is truly, completely impossible.

Impossible is quite the right word here.

 

The difference between sub-24 and sub-20 is HUGE. To be perfectly honest, it is possible to hit 27-30 min range with a LOT of kits with arc pistol - cerberus - white combo. Only a few could go sub-25. And only a handful can go sub-20 from there. The more closer you go to the 20 min mark, shaving 30 secs or so becomes harder and harder, and finally reaches a point where it's quite simply impossible.

 

@Marksmad: I believe every character has been sub-30'd. I'd say 27-30 minutes is a fair estimate.

[LemurFromTheId]

Going from 24 to sub-20 means reducing the time by almost 17%. At this level of speed, it's really huge. Slasher could tell you more about that, as I think it took him 25-30 tries to simply go from 20:30 to sub 20 with the DAI.

 

I know it's huge. But even if something's so insanely, incredibly difficult and improbable that no one will ever make it, that doesn't mean it's impossible.

 

Hell, I remeber people saying that soloing Gold is impossible. Or that sub-20 or sub-15 is impossible. Or that soloing Plat is impossible. Or that Plat sub-20 is impossible. And every time these people have been proven wrong.

 

Of course, the better players get at playing the game, the harder it becomes to shave off those seconds, but who's to say where the upper limit truly lies? There are still so many ways you could theoretically speed up the game. For example, no matter how amazing Alquinn's GI solos are, he still generally needs one shot for every mook he kills, even when there are several mooks in the same room and it could be possible to optimize your movement in such a way that you can consistently headshot two mooks with one shot. Is that difficult? Hell yeah, it'd require skill that most people would consider inhuman. Will it ever happen? Probably not. Is it impossible? No.

[TheNightSlasher]

^ Theoretically, may be. Practically, no.

 

Assuming you are not missing any shots, spending almost every second of the game shooting an enemy, get perfect missiles with a bunch of kill-streaks, getting perfect pizzas - may be, just may be it is possible to sub-20 with a lot of them.

 

But practically, absolutely not. And that is what matters to me personally.

[MaxCrushmore]

Haven't read beyond the OP yet, but how could a Volus Merc ever accomplish this?

[Teh_Ocelot]

Haven't read beyond the OP yet, but how could a Volus Merc ever accomplish this?

Can't™

[Quarian Master Race]

I'd like to point out that the OP mentioned nothing explicitly of doing a solo with said characters.

In that case, I'm fairly certain that every character can go sub 20 in a good team, especially on Glaicer.

I know, this post has been illuminating.

[TheTechnoTurian]

I believe, in infinite attempts, or at least in a number of attempts that would take longer than the current age of the universe, it would be possible to achieve such a thing as sub-20 plat solos with all kits. This would require optimal conditions, however, such as: a.)  EA keeps the servers on for longer than the current age of the universe b.) humanity finds a way to sustain its existence after the eventual fate of the sun and total destruction of Earth c.) someone is enough of a turbonerd beta to sit in their parent's basement playing video games for several billion years  

 

I believe we may find someone -- a Chosen One, if you will, who fulfills the right requirements for C (i.e. an insane possibly lonely turbonerd with no life) and B just might happen, assuming we don't all nuke ourselves back to the stone age or get nuked back to the stone age by turians or other attractive aliens.  I'm skeptical about A. 

[Fuenf789]

B4 someone goes off and "proofs" it , we should probably qualify this: only plain vanilla hw+sw. Sorry = This automatically excludes all PC attempts (modmakers/semi-modmakers/denial modmakers)because =not certifiable^Tm)

[MaxCrushmore]

Can't™

 

Woah, a blast from the past! Teh_Ocelot

 

The question is, are you actually going to play this game again? I remember you as a newer player with much potential and some natural aptitude ..

 

As far as this topic, how many people have actually done a sub 20 minute Plat solo? 4? 5? And only 1 on console (On PS3, which is amazing btw)

 

To put that in perspective, recently I was in a match where the host dropped on W11, when we loaded back in the 2 minute timer started and then extraction, the time at the end of that match was 3:09

 

Personally, I've never even done a Plat solo, I think I would be able to, but I've never proven it. I would have to attempt a high risk, faster time one as I do not have the patience required to do a 50 min solo, so I would probably fail a lot until I got lucky (or was playing my best and got good objectives). Safe to say I will never do a sub 20 min plat solo.

 

Honestly anyone who accomplishes sub 20 has dedicated themselves to being one of the best in the world at this game. Quite frankly, anyone doing a sub 25 is unbelievable, and anyone going sub 30 are still of the highest caliber

 

@Techno - don't worry, I believe EA will upgrade to biotic hamsters to run the servers in the near future, they don't need much maintenance and can run forever

[TheTechnoTurian]

Woah, a blast from the past! Teh_Ocelot

 

The question is, are you actually going to play this game again? I remember you as a newer player with much potential and some natural aptitude ..

 

As far as this topic, how many people have actually done a sub 20 minute Plat solo? 4? 5? And only 1 on console (On PS3, which is amazing btw)

 

 

Seven different people have done sub-20 plat solos to my knowledge.

 

Alquinn (w/ GI), The0Nick2001 (GT), Knockinbr4in (GT), ex-Clusum (GI), TheNightSlasher (DAI), Freelancer-XS (Talon, GT, Batguard) and some dumb turian fangirl (DAI) 

 

edit: all on PC except KB 

[Teh_Ocelot]

Woah, a blast from the past! Teh_Ocelot

 

The question is, are you actually going to play this game again? I remember you as a newer player with much potential and some natural aptitude ..

Ha, thanks for the kind words Max.

 

I actually did play some again the other day, I've been wanting to get back into it regularly but I have just been slammed with work and family stuff so I've had to scale back some on my games. Having said that, I still love this game and still hope to max my manifest (inb4 L2P, inb4 unmaxed manifest problems) but given the nature of the game it's hard to just throw it in and play a few b/c of the time dedication. 

[TheTechnoTurian]

If sub-20 isn't possible with all characters, what would be the time that you all agree it would  be possible to beat with all characters? 25 minutes? 30? (I really have no idea, so I'm asking seriously.)

 

Currently only 20 of the 59 characters have a sub-25 solo. All characters have been sub-30'd though. It's probably much more reasonable for every kit to have a sub-25 entry than sub-20, but I also don't think anyone around is going to attempt it.

[Quarian Master Race]

I think it's too optimistic. I don't believe the QMI can sub-20. His average passives and a debuff affecting only one target and with a long animation disqualify him IMO.

You sure about that? I don't really do glaicer solos because I hate that map and everything about it, but you can demolish Cerberus waves with him due to cloaked Arc Grenades making an absolute joke of all humanoids including the budget eating Phantoms and lolgoons, provided you deploy them and your TCPs intelligently and thus aren't wasting time sprinting between ammo boxes when not necessary. The stun/stagger and ability to go through walls also makes them good for clearing certain difficult objectives faster than would otherwise be possible. Sure, his big armor TTK isn't as fast as some others, but it is still fast and he can make up for it in other ways. Really, the biggest obstacle I see for him is like all grenade dependant characters requiring very high spawn predicition and anticipation skill due to the lack of Scanner or Hunter Mode.

I might try this if shitty devices don't make me ragequit on the first go.

[Loufi]

^Glacier, the best map for speedruns, is bad for grenades kits. You're also going to equip Grenade capacity, so no Armored compartments. Arc Grenades destroy pretty well Phantoms and goons, yeah, but wave 4 and 5 don't have many if any of them. 

[Heldarion]

GE might actually be capable of coming pretty close to sub20 if not going sub20. It's basically a GI without the cloak.

[JRandall0308]

I appreciate the discussion.

 

If I inadvertently inspire anyone to do another sub-20 or sub-25 with an underused character, so much the better.

[Deerber]

 

No, because Volus Mercenary Sentinel. All the rest maybe.

 

Pretty much this

 

Even in the very unlikely hypothesis that every other character can be sub-20ed, I am willing to bet that *that* kit just can't get under 20.

 

^ To be honest, I doubt QME and QMI's ability to go sub-20. There are only so many grenades you can chuck in a solo setting (esp. vs. cerb/glacier, which is the best setting for speedruns). Then again, I almost never play those two character so I may not be the best judge. For similar reasons, BatSol and KroSol look like a stretch. 

 

 

I think it's too optimistic. I don't believe the QMI can sub-20. His average passives and a debuff affecting only one target and with a long animation disqualify him IMO.

 

 

You sure about that? I don't really do glaicer solos because I hate that map and everything about it, but you can demolish Cerberus waves with him due to cloaked Arc Grenades making an absolute joke of all humanoids including the budget eating Phantoms and lolgoons, provided you deploy them and your TCPs intelligently and thus aren't wasting time sprinting between ammo boxes when not necessary. The stun/stagger and ability to go through walls also makes them good for clearing certain difficult objectives faster than would otherwise be possible. Sure, his big armor TTK isn't as fast as some others, but it is still fast and he can make up for it in other ways. Really, the biggest obstacle I see for him is like all grenade dependant characters requiring very high spawn predicition and anticipation skill due to the lack of Scanner or Hunter Mode.

I might try this if shitty devices don't make me ragequit on the first go.

 

Yeah, I think you guys are underestimating how ****** awfully broken cloaked arc grenades can be. Sure, you only got about 55-60 of them, but is that really gonna be a problem when two of them can flatline 4 Phantoms at the same time? Not to mention he still has TC.

 

I mean, I'm not a soloer myself, but I think a QMI would be one of the premiere choices to go sub 20.

 

Also, I'm sorry Slasher, but I find it really hard not to deem the claim Krosol and Batsol would be on the fence for going sub 20 a bit ridicolous. Even coming from a soloer of your experience. I mean, as far as I know, they both soloed gold in abou 15 mins with NO MISSILES. Also, pretty much no mook focus, they just decimated bosses... Which made gold look a bit like platinum. I have a really hard time believing that they can't be sub-20d.

 

That said, I'm not gonna do any of that, so maybe I just need to shut up.

 

 

A lot of kits look good to go sub-20 on paper but my in-game experience proves otherwise. Obviously, I am speaking from solely my PoV - there are better plat soloers out there. 

 

Uhm... No offense to the other great soloers around, but I don't think I'd call anyone a better plat soloer than you. Just me, maybe

 

 

But practically, absolutely not. And that is what matters to me personally.

 

Yeah, this sounds about right to me.

 

I'd like to point out that the OP mentioned nothing explicitly of doing a solo with said characters.

In that case, I'm fairly certain that every character can go sub 20 in a good team, especially on Glaicer.

I know, this post has been illuminating.

 

This made me lol!

 

 

I believe we may find someone -- a Chosen One, if you will, who fulfills the right requirements for C (i.e. an insane possibly lonely turbonerd with no life)

 

Holy Hell! We have just found a use for Sinful Force!

 

Currently only 20 of the 59 characters have a sub-25 solo. All characters have been sub-30'd though. It's probably much more reasonable for every kit to have a sub-25 entry than sub-20, but I also don't think anyone around is going to attempt it.

 

Yeah, I think sub 25 could be achievable, with a looooooot of time, luck, and skills. Also lotsa FPS XD In practice, I doubt it's ever gonna happen.