You would have to wonder then what it is that flemeth sends through the eluvian before solas gets to her
The same scene plays if Kieran doesn't exist, so I guess part of her power? (I don't think or rather I hope that Bioware don't play the horcrux card again, so I don't want to think it's part of her soul)
But Flemeth has left little pieces of her soul all over Thedas for a way to be remade should something bad happen to her, she points that out in DA2 pretty clearly. I'm pretty confident that Flemeth is not dead, weakened maybe, but not dead.
She'll be back.
Even Flemeth herself seems to realize she's a terrible mother based on her comment at the end of the meeting in the fade.
I never saw it as her seeing herself as terrible, but that she regretted what was required to do to make Morrigan who she needed to be.
That's how I saw it, too.
But Flemeth has left little pieces of her soul all over Thedas for a way to be remade should something bad happen to her, she points that out in DA2 pretty clearly. I'm pretty confident that Flemeth is not dead, weakened maybe, but not dead.
She'll be back.
When did she say so, in the Sundermount conversation? (honestly curious, I don't recall it but it's been a while since I last played DA2)
I'm not sure that Flemeth will be back, at least not as the Flemeth we know; maybe Morrigan will take her place somehow.
Dialogue specific. Hawke must ask about the amulet saying, "You were inside the amulet the entire time?", or something like that. Flemeth responds saying just a piece, a small piece. A bit of flotsam to cling to in the storm, should the inevitable occur, and if she knows her Morrigan, it already has.
She can also say that bodies are such limiting things.
Which is weird, because she's basically saying she knew Morrigan would go to the Circle and find her black grimoire, then resolve to kill her based on what she read in that book. Or maybe she suspected Morrigan would kill her so she wouldn't need to turn over the old god soul to her.
That's how I saw it, too.
When did she say so, in the Sundermount conversation? (honestly curious, I don't recall it but it's been a while since I last played DA2)
I'm not sure that Flemeth will be back, at least not as the Flemeth we know; maybe Morrigan will take her place somehow.
The pertinent part starts at 1:14.
And again at 2:40.
Thank you, Dai and Sunnie! Still I'm not sure if it means that there are several Flemhorcruxes around, but it's certainly intriguing. I do hope that this is not the last we've seen of Flemeth, she's my favourite character, but as everything with her what will happen it's anyone's guess.
@Dai Since I learned that the Ultimate Sacrifice is canon for Bioware, I don't like to include speculations about the old gold soul in the main story. I think that Flemeth simply knows that Morrigan will find the grimoire and convince the Warden to kill her. A lot of Flemeth's actions, the ones we seem in game at least, seem to be about testing Morrigan; that's why I think she will be the one to play a similar role if Flemeth is gone. I'm curious to know whether Bioware said who drinks from the Well of Sorrows in their canon; if it's Morrigan, I'll say that was Flemeth's mission for her in Inquisition.
I also doubt that there are other amulets or incarnations of Flemeth out there beyond maybe one. We don't know how the amulet works. That could have been a one shot that required a great deal of effort and magic to produce. But I am sure that the one we saw in the game and the one Solas met with was a "clone" of some sort, like the one we can fight in Origins. I also believe that in the case of an old god soul, Flemeth went from Kieran to wherever she was going with the soul. She did this immediately. She wasn't about to wait around with it and wait for Solas to show up. So she had done something with it before the post-credits scene.
As for the reason Flemeth left a clone behind while she traveled with Hawke in the amulet, I guess I can see it being about Morrigan killing her over the info found in the grimoire, but I just don't think that's likely. Yes, Flemeth can see into the future somewhat, but I don't think she could have predicted that the Warden would find the Black Grimoire in Irving's things, give it to Morrigan, and that she would act so drastically. I think it would have more to do with the old god soul, it's just that Morrigan didn't want to mention that as the reason. On the other hand, Morrigan did genuinely believe Flemeth was out to possess her body, and this was indeed true, even if Morrigan didn't have the whole picture.
I am certain that Flemeth is still alive. The scene with Solas shows her blue energy essence traveling into the eluvian. And the temple shows a blue spirit of a female (who is supposed to be an elf) rising out of the well and going into the eluvian. So I think these are connected.
Also, Flemeth is surprised if Morrigan drinks from the Well. So I don't think that was her intention for her, though she did raise all her daughters to want to preserve ancient magic. But this is probably because she wants them to agree to carry Mythal's will, as well as Flemeth's spirit within them.
I wonder what the Appointment was that she had to keep?
I wonder what the Appointment was that she had to keep?
I've seen some speculation it might have been Solas ymmv.
I wonder what the Appointment was that she had to keep?
I've always assumed it was the Warden confronting her.
But Flemeth has left little pieces of her soul all over Thedas for a way to be remade should something bad happen to her, she points that out in DA2 pretty clearly. I'm pretty confident that Flemeth is not dead, weakened maybe, but not dead.
She'll be back.
I wouldn't go looking for horcruxes. They did that in DA2. Mythal won't die, because her spirit, what's right, won't ever die. She's been murdered before. Fen'Harel presided over that one as well, and she was still reborn in Flemeth. Next time, I don't know. It should have something to do with a child of the Dalish, but dragging the surface dwarves or qunari in would be so Dragon Age. Do you think DA4 or 5?
I wouldn't go looking for horcruxes. They did that in DA2. Mythal won't die, because her spirit, what's right, won't ever die. She's been murdered before. Fen'Harel presided over that one as well, and she was still reborn in Flemeth. Next time, I don't know. It should have something to do with a child of the Dalish, but dragging the surface dwarves or qunari in would be so Dragon Age. Do you think DA4 or 5?
I'm pretty confident that she will re-emerge, if not in the cliff-hanger Solas DLC that will end the Inquisition cycle, for sure in DA4.
I've always assumed it was the Warden confronting her.
This is after that though.
This is after that though.
She spoke past tense
"I had"
So that's what I figured her business was.
But "that" Flemeth had been inside of amulet for the last year.
Nah she says "...I Have an appointment to keep"
Nah she says "...I Have an appointment to keep"
There we go.
http://forum.bioware...or-a-dead-girl/
Odd thread for an old subject, but I knew I remembered it.
In this you have Gaider basically saying that the amulet was a plot device to negate her possible death at the hands of the Warden.
Ah 2010...seems like so long ago.
Anyway there you have it, her appointment.
We already know that the amulet was a contingency plan. She however uses it to get to the Free marches without being noticed.
We already know that the amulet was a contingency plan. She however uses it to get to the Free marches without being noticed.
No it doesn't.
I think Flemeth's appointment in that region was Yavana, actually. And I think she was trying to avoid detection by most people in Ferelden and the Free Marches, as well as possibly Solas. I know neither of them were written at the time, but I think the appointment thing was an excuse, and then later BioWare wrote in the reasons with the comics and DA:I.
No it doesn't.
It does.
And given the past tense wording if you actually bring it up during the meeting with her at the stupid graveyard up the hill it does all indicate what Gaider said.
It was done to evade her death at the hands of the Warden.
"I had a appointment to keep."
2:23
"Because I had a appointment to keep." Nothing mysterious, nothing sinister, its something a dev talked about back in 2011.
The appointment in question was the battle to or not to occur at her shack.
Oooh... tricky. Kate Mulgrew read the line as "Because I have an appointment to keep...", but the text reads "Because I had an appointment to keep..."
That's why we're at odds here. She literally says both. 
So which is correct? I would say the spoken line is correct, because Flemeth's next line is, "...and because I did not want to be followed." Which means, Flemeth did want to go to that region AND not be followed. This indicates that her appointment is somewhere in that region.
Oooh... tricky. Kate Mulgrew read the line as "Because I have an appointment to keep...", but the text reads "Because I had an appointment to keep..."
That's why we're at odds here. She literally says both.
So which is correct? I would say the spoken line is correct, because Flemeth's next line is, "...and because I did not want to be followed." Which means, Flemeth did want to go to that region AND not be followed. This indicates that her appointment is somewhere in that region.
She does not say both, she says "have".
I would have to say that HAVE is correct, due to the context of the dialog. It's quite common that the text in BioWare games is incorrect vs the correct VO.
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