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[Valkyrja]

The Catalyst will be an ally in this game and be your shipboard AI like Lord Genome in Gurren Lagann.

[DaemionMoadrin]

The Catalyst will be an ally in this game and be your shipboard AI like Lord Genome in Gurren Lagann.

 

Oh, good example!

[Sully13]

[NeonFlux117]

The Catalyst is the hero Adromeda deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

[Sully13]

or wants

[Indigenous]

If you want to. We´ve never seen anything hinting at the possibility. If he had one, his system restoration protocols are crap. I would consider changing the variables so that you let a human enter your room, explaining to him how to destroy your and then raising a walkway so he can get there comfortably instead of letting him bleed out, a big bit of malware in your system and a viable reason to switch to backup.

 

Unless he placed it somewhere in deep space just in case, then it´s irrelevant anyways. Control: Reapers are dead, no one can retrieve it, in control the Shepalyst probably destroyed it and in synthesis there are now two catalyst who can now do whatever greeneyed AIs do.  

I think we differ on what we believe a highly advanced A.I. is capable of.

 

I believe that a being that can create a race of extremely mobile sentient machines, which are essentially lesser versions of itself, is probably not restricted to one place.

[Chealec]

Even if you get the chance to actually kill him in Me4?

 

It was still a bad cop-out ... you may as well have ended the series with "... and then Shepard woke up *phew* it was all only a dream"

 

At the end of ME3 the star-kid rolls up, goes "Hi, I AM the Reapers, here are your choices" - the only FU option you get is to do nothing and allow the cycle to continue (or shoot the star-kid... which does nothing and allows the cycle to continue).

 

There's no possible response like "Hi, I'm commander Shepard and this is my favourite eezo-nuclear device on the citadel! *click* BOOOOOM!" (destroys the Citadel, Shepard and the main AI core of the Catalyst leaving the Reapers operating at massively reduced efficiency, crashing and vulnerable to the remaining combined galactic fleet - a Reaper fleet-wide BSOD effectively) - I'd take that option!

 

...but no - I wouldn't want to bring back a bad Deus Ex Machina plot device even for the satisfaction of killing in MEA.

[The Heretic of Time]

 

That picture is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure more people chose blue than green. I think green is the most hated ending on the boards (not counting refuse).

[The Heretic of Time]

The Catalyst will be an ally in this game and be your shipboard AI like Lord Genome in Gurren Lagann.

 

I assume you also got the secret true ending of ME3?

[Chealec]

I think we differ on what we believe a highly advanced A.I. is capable of.

 

I believe that a being that can create a race of extremely mobile sentient machines, which are essentially lesser versions of itself, is probably not restricted to one place.

 

Except in the ME universe they generally are. EDI is Normandy. The Catalyst is the Citadel.

 

You could argue that perhaps the Catalyst is a massive distributed platform which uses the Mass Effect Relay network as a kind of neural net, that could work... but the relay network is destroyed at the end of ME3. You'll be left with one seriously brain-damaged AI after that; the individual neural nodes would still be there but communication between them would take hundreds of years - you think 0.2 seconds ping is terrible? Imagine 0.2 millennia ping!

 

Otherwise, if the Catalyst is just the Citadel (extended to the Reaper units perhaps) - then it basically hands the reigns over to Shepard at the end of ME3; Shepard either becomes the Catalyst or he destroys it. Either way, that's the end of that particular highly advanced AI.

 

The only way you could have the Catalyst, really, in MEA is if you go with Indoctrination Theory... go that route and it's still pre-order cancelled.

 

About the only good thing with the ME3 ending is that it does end it - puts a nice big line through it and says "The End". Apart from the species/tech on-board the Ark I'd kinda like to see nothing from the original trilogy shoe-horned into MEA... OK, maybe Rachni and Thresher Maws might already be in the Andromeda galaxy - they can come back

[Indigenous]

Except in the ME universe they generally are. EDI is Normandy. The Catalyst is the Citadel.

 

You could argue that perhaps the Catalyst is a massive distributed platform which uses the Mass Effect Relay network as a kind of neural net, that could work... but the relay network is destroyed at the end of ME3. You'll be left with one seriously brain-damaged AI after that; the individual neural nodes would still be there but communication between them would take hundreds of years - you think 0.2 seconds ping is terrible? Imagine 0.2 millennia ping!

 

Otherwise, if the Catalyst is just the Citadel (extended to the Reaper units perhaps) - then it basically hands the reigns over to Shepard at the end of ME3; Shepard either becomes the Catalyst or he destroys it. Either way, that's the end of that particular highly advanced AI.

 

The only way you could have the Catalyst, really, in MEA is if you go with Indoctrination Theory... go that route and it's still pre-order cancelled.

 

About the only good thing with the ME3 ending is that it does end it - puts a nice big line through it and says "The End". Apart from the species/tech on-board the Ark I'd kinda like to see nothing from the original trilogy shoe-horned into MEA... OK, maybe Rachni and Thresher Maws might already be in the Andromeda galaxy - they can come back

Here is the flaw in your reasoning.

 

 

This logical failing comes in the first line.

 

I get it, you dislike ME3's end. Great, I don't care . My point is not that, I like ME3's endings and it should continue onto Andromeda. My point is that the most advanced A.I. in the galaxy may have thought to back itself up or at least go to Andromeda and other neighboring galaxies before humanity.

[DaemionMoadrin]

That picture is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure more people chose blue than green. I think green is the most hated ending on the boards (not counting refuse).

 

Yeah. I always pick Control, since it's the least evil option. You get to keep the Reapers, their technology and all their knowledge. You can repair everything as quickly as possible. Still sucks though, especially the part where Shepard gets disintegrated during the upload. Which, again, is total nonsense.

 

Green means raping an entire galaxy... with some nonsense synthetic-organic space magic. That's not how it works. The difference between organics and AIs isn't what their bodies are made of, it's the way they think and their potential to increase the capabilities quickly. What did the green glow do, exactly? Are organics networked now? Cause that's going to suck hard. Are synthetics feeling emotions now? Cause that's not going to end well.

 

Destroy means throwing everything away, damaging the backbone of galactic civilisation and not having a way to fix it again. I also see no reason why Shepard has to die, why did that moron walk towards the explodey thing they were shooting at? You have a gun, you don't have to go into melee with it!

 

Refusal is actually my second favourite choice. Our cycle was riddled with idiots, with selfish pricks, with utter bastards... and the Reapers were the most stupid solution ever. 50.000 years is a small price to pay to get rid of all that nonsense and give the Milky Way a proper civilisation.

[AlanC9]

Green means raping an entire galaxy... with some nonsense synthetic-organic space magic. That's not how it works. The difference between organics and AIs isn't what their bodies are made of, it's the way they think and their potential to increase the capabilities quickly. What did the green glow do, exactly? Are organics networked now? Cause that's going to suck hard. Are synthetics feeling emotions now? Cause that's not going to end well.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of those things are true, but we don't have much evidence. I thought it was a big mistake to do the EC from EDI's POV. It should have been Joker so we could see what upgraded humans were like. But I guess they figured they wanted to leave that vague.

[AlanC9]

Here is the flaw in your reasoning.
 

 
This logical failing comes in the first line.

How is EDI a flaw? She isn't backed up in Destroy. She's just dead.

[Chealec]

Here is the flaw in your reasoning.

 

 

This logical failing comes in the first line.

 

I get it, you dislike ME3's end. Great, I don't care . My point is not that, I like ME3's endings and it should continue onto Andromeda. My point is that the most advanced A.I. in the galaxy may have thought to back itself up or at least go to Andromeda and other neighboring galaxies before humanity.

 

 

Ummm not really - EDI's primary core is *still* in the Normandy - she explains it herself when she hijacks that body - she still exists primarily within the Normandy; if you were to destroy the AI core in the Normandy outright the mobile unit would be crippled - I doubt it has the hardware to pack all the processing power housed on the Normandy (so yeah, if you pick control you're probably gonna mentally cripple EDI once the Normandy's power core fails completely - if you pick Destroy well, she's dead).

 

If the Catalyst *is* the Citadel then it *is* the Citadel - there isn't anything else around that could house it - it's a huge amount of processing hardware. If it's a distributed computing platform using the relays as neural pathways then it would be mentally crippled once the relays are destroyed. The *only* way the Catalyst could be in the Andromeda galaxy is if there's another Citadel (or similar sized data processing facility) there to house the required processing power and a backup - otherwise, it's hosed.

 

Granted it could have backed itself up in another massive piece of hardware anywhere but in the end it would have destroyed that data itself. It's the Catalyst that gives Shepard the options, it hands over the reins or allows itself to be destroyed. The ending is even worse if 50000 years down the line it pops up again and goes "Oh Hai CataShep! Just kidding, I didn't even give you those RGB options you thunk I did! BUWHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAH!"

[CrutchCricket]

I assume that the fact that my post is winning the likes war means that most people agree with my opinion.

They're liking at you, not liking with you.

[Sully13]

That picture is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure more people chose blue than green. I think green is the most hated ending on the boards (not counting refuse).

Dude stop arguing whith the art. i bet you are the guy who goes to the tTate Modern and yells at the Pictures.

[Dantriges]

I think we differ on what we believe a highly advanced A.I. is capable of.

 

I believe that a being that can create a race of extremely mobile sentient machines, which are essentially lesser versions of itself, is probably not restricted to one place.

 

The sky is the limit but there was no hint at all, that he had a backup and as I said, the whole scene where he offers Shep, he just invited into his home, to destroy the Reapers and himself would scream for a system restore right now. And if he has it somewhere else outside comm range, it doesn´t matter anyways. No one will come to retrieve it. 

 

And well we don´t know the hardware requirements anyways. You probably can´t stuff it in an omnitool and call it a day.

[The Heretic of Time]

Yeah. I always pick Control, since it's the least evil option. You get to keep the Reapers, their technology and all their knowledge. You can repair everything as quickly as possible. Still sucks though, especially the part where Shepard gets disintegrated during the upload. Which, again, is total nonsense.

 

Green means raping an entire galaxy... with some nonsense synthetic-organic space magic. That's not how it works. The difference between organics and AIs isn't what their bodies are made of, it's the way they think and their potential to increase the capabilities quickly. What did the green glow do, exactly? Are organics networked now? Cause that's going to suck hard. Are synthetics feeling emotions now? Cause that's not going to end well.

 

Destroy means throwing everything away, damaging the backbone of galactic civilisation and not having a way to fix it again. I also see no reason why Shepard has to die, why did that moron walk towards the explodey thing they were shooting at? You have a gun, you don't have to go into melee with it!

 

Refusal is actually my second favourite choice. Our cycle was riddled with idiots, with selfish pricks, with utter bastards... and the Reapers were the most stupid solution ever. 50.000 years is a small price to pay to get rid of all that nonsense and give the Milky Way a proper civilisation.

 

I wouldn't say control is the least "evil" choice though, not if you're renegade . The Renegade version of the control ending is my favorite ending though.

 

https://www.youtube....cvw2pk#t=15m03s

[Bfler]

That picture is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure more people chose blue than green. I think green is the most hated ending on the boards (not counting refuse).

 

Red should have more strokes than blue and green together

 

 

And the Catalyst will be in Andromeda, but this time it appears as glowing Diana Allers.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I wouldn't say control is the least "evil" choice though, not if you're renegade . The Renegade version of the control ending is my favorite ending though.

 

https://www.youtube....cvw2pk#t=15m03s

 

Hehe... even in my Renegade runs, I don't let people die. I've still got Wrex, Jacob etc. But yeah, ruling with an iron fist could be quite evil. Although a benevolent dictator is probably the best form of government in existence.

 

Red should have more strokes than blue and green together

 

 

And the Catalyst will be in Andromeda, but this time it appears as glowing Diana Allers.

 

Urgh... that's 10 times worse.

[Indigenous]

Granted it could have backed itself up in another massive piece of hardware anywhere but in the end it would have destroyed that data itself.

I don't like your certainties. Lets just agree to disagree.

 

The sky is the limit but there was no hint at all, that he had a backup and as I said, the whole scene where he offers Shep, he just invited into his home, to destroy the Reapers and himself would scream for a system restore right now. And if he has it somewhere else outside comm range, it doesn´t matter anyways. No one will come to retrieve it. 

 

And well we don´t know the hardware requirements anyways. You probably can´t stuff it in an omnitool and call it a day.

 

The Catalyst A.I. was revealed at the end of the game right? There is so much we don't know about it.

 

Comm range? Omnitool? Do you know that I can now play GTA San Andreas on my IPhone? Have you see a PS2? I know that is real life but I hope you see my point. You can't limit the A.I. too much because there are flaws in that. No one will retrieve it? Retrieve what? What are we talking about here?

 

Bioware wanted a Prothean in ME3, there is a Prothean in ME3.

[Indigenous]

 

I believe that a being that can create a race of extremely mobile sentient machines, which are essentially lesser versions of itself, is probably not restricted to one place.

 

 

Except in the ME universe they generally are. EDI is Normandy. The Catalyst is the Citadel.

 

 

Here is the flaw in your reasoning.
 

-Picture of mobile EDI-

 

 

How is EDI a flaw? She isn't backed up in Destroy. She's just dead.

Do I need to explain this?

[Jester]

Isn't it dead/destroyed?

The blast destroys the Citadel (at least partially). In case of Destroy, it must be gone. In case of Control, Shepard takes it's place. In case of Synthesis it has probably fullfilled it's purpose and shuts down or something. 

[Chealec]

I don't like your certainties. Lets just agree to disagree.

 

Hey - I didn't write the ending, don't pin it on me!