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#101
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The Catalyst A.I. was revealed at the end of the game right? There is so much we don't know about it.

 

Comm range? Omnitool? Do you know that I can now play GTA San Andreas on my IPhone? Have you see a PS2? I know that is real life but I hope you see my point. You can't limit the A.I. too much because there are flaws in that. No one will retrieve it? Retrieve what? What are we talking about here?

 

Bioware wanted a Prothean in ME3, there is a Prothean in ME3.

 

I am pretty sure that the catalyst won´t run on an iphone, omnitool or something similar. <_<  Cyberwar EDI got a serverroom all for herself and I doubt that starkid limits himself to a tiny processor because he wants the hardware power. So yeah he´s  probably running on a big server or whatever the Leviathans had as a equivalent.

 

Retrieve what? The backup we speculate about that is stored somewhere of course. It has to be outside comm range or it would have probably face the same stuff that happens to the Reapers. It´s probably inactive because it would be a separate entity otherwise with his own goals. It can´t jump into the extranet because the Reapers shot the buoys and a backup would be updated by private Reaper channels. And well they are gone, controlled by the Shepalyst or gone green.

 

In any case the catalyst´s backup data were probably tied to him and not something independant or it would be another AI. 



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I am pretty sure that the catalyst won´t run on an iphone, omnitool or something similar. <_<  Cyberwar EDI got a serverroom all for herself and I doubt that starkid limits himself to a tiny processor because he wants the hardware power. So yeah he´s  probably running on a big server or whatever the Leviathans had as a equivalent.

 

Retrieve what? The backup we speculate about that is stored somewhere of course. It has to be outside comm range or it would have probably face the same stuff that happens to the Reapers. It´s probably inactive because it would be a separate entity otherwise with his own goals. It can´t jump into the extranet because the Reapers shot the buoys and a backup would be updated by private Reaper channels. And well they are gone, controlled by the Shepalyst or gone green.

 

In any case the catalyst´s backup data were probably tied to him and not something independant or it would be another AI. 

 

EDI is the PS2, Catalyst A.I is the IPhone. Do you see my point now? Technology is bound to improve and for a being that has been alive for as long as the Catalyst A.I. is it really reasonable to make the assumptions you make?

 

You managed just to confuse me more. I am not the smartest guy in the world, so explain your ideas to me. :)

 

How big is the Catalyst A.I.'s processor? Why would it need to be retrieved? Why would it want to jump into the extranet? Why would the backup data be tied to him? Why would the Catalyst decide to stay in the same Galaxy? Why would it not replicate itself? Why would his replications not be active? How would you know if they were? Is the Catalyst truly the first A.I. or just a copy?


I explained why I think the Catalyst A.I. has a back up, not only because it is smart. But more specifically it is smarter than Mass Effect humans, protheans etc. If Bioware wants him in Andromeda he will be there.



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It has not be officially confirmed dead by Bioware. The Catalyst has only been presumed dead at best thus far. I'm curious (and slightly concerned) that the Catalyst could make a return. It is the only character in all four Mass Effect 3 conclusions that potentially survived and Bioware may use it as a means to connect all four games together. The Catalyst also has the capacity to survive hundreds of thousands of years and presumably has the ability to travel to different galaxies too.  

 

We can be sure that Commander Shepard will not return in ME:A due to clear statements from senior Bioware officials. However, with no announcement from EA or Bioware whatsoever that the Star Child is out of the picture for certain, it remains an (unlikely) possibility... 

 

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Catalyst

In a word NO!!!!!!! The Starbrat was a cheap way to end the trilogy without giving gamers what they really wanted, an ending where their choices in all the games really mattered and where Shepherd could of survived.



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In a word NO!!!!!!! The Starbrat was a cheap way to end the trilogy without giving gamers what they really wanted, an ending where their choices in all the games really mattered and where Shepherd could of survived.


What would have counted as "really mattered"?

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Why would they bring back that despised abomination? An awful poorly written deus ex machina



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If Bioware wants him in Andromeda he will be there.


If they want that, they're fools. If you think they want that, I'm not too sure about you.

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Destroy means throwing everything away, damaging the backbone of galactic civilisation and not having a way to fix it again. I also see no reason why Shepard has to die, why did that moron walk towards the explodey thing they were shooting at? You have a gun, you don't have to go into melee with it!

No it doesn't. Extended cut shows the relays and citadel being rebuilt. Shepard doesn't die if you don't suck. The only "downside" is that all toasters die. 

Right, "downside"

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If they want that, they're fools. If you think they want that, I'm not too sure about you.

I seriously think you need to start reading all my comments. At what point did I say I wanted the Catalyst in Andromeda? At what point did I say what Bioware wanted in Andromeda?

 

Don't know if you are trolling me...



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maybe we go to andromeda to finish off the Reapers, if catalyst is the connecting point we might be out to completely destroy all elements of Reapers being able to come back. We dont want that brat to be terrorizing by restarting the cycles again 



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I seriously think you need to start reading all my comments. At what point did I say I wanted the Catalyst in Andromeda? At what point did I say what Bioware wanted in Andromeda?

Don't know if you are trolling me...

Not exactly trolling. Just pointing out that you're spending a lot of time defending something that we all know won't happen.

It's not like anyone's denying that Bio could contrive some way to bring the Catalyst back if they were idiots.

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Not exactly trolling. Just pointing out that you're spending a lot of time defending something that we all know won't happen.

Ah, but that is a pointless point in a thread about whether or not the Catalyst can be in Andromeda. I would call that trolling. :)

 

I don't think it will happen as I believe Bioware want to tell a new story.



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So this is an argument that even you don't believe in. Makes sense now.

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Maybe we don't have to wait until ME:A for the Catalyst to return:

 

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Maybe we don't have to wait until ME:A for the Catalyst to return:
 
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lol that's awesome. Could you imagine..... My God people would lose their minds.
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We traveled across the universe to another galaxy just to get away from that malfunctioning reaper brat. That little sod killed the Milkyway galaxy because of a fifty thousand year periodic hissy fit. 

 

Keep Star brat and his destructive toys away from Andromeda otherwise everyone is doomed, DOOOOOMED!



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It has not be officially confirmed dead by Bioware. The Catalyst has only been presumed dead at best thus far. I'm curious (and slightly concerned) that the Catalyst could make a return. It is the only character in all four Mass Effect 3 conclusions that potentially survived and Bioware may use it as a means to connect all four games together. The Catalyst also has the capacity to survive hundreds of thousands of years and presumably has the ability to travel to different galaxies too.  

 

We can be sure that Commander Shepard will not return in ME:A due to clear statements from senior Bioware officials. However, with no announcement from EA or Bioware whatsoever that the Star Child is out of the picture for certain, it remains an (unlikely) possibility... 

 

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Catalyst

No way!!!



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Considering that was one of the few things in ME3 that truly angered me...

 



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No it doesn't. Extended cut shows the relays and citadel being rebuilt. Shepard doesn't die if you don't suck. The only "downside" is that all toasters die. 

Right, "downside"

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I hate to break it to you but SHEPHARD DIES and there is no way to prevent it.



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We will not see Star Brat ever again.



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So this is an argument that even you don't believe in. Makes sense now.

:sigh: What makes sense? That it is possible for the Catalyst to appear in Andromeda or that it is improbable that Bioware will involve the Catalyst in their next game?



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I hate to break it to you but SHEPHARD DIES and there is no way to prevent it.

yeah, just like all humans eventually do. S/he can survive shooting the tube, though. Your bitching, crying and creating excuses because you've a bone to pick with the endings doesn't change that.



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yeah, just like all humans eventually do. S/he can survive shooting the tube, though. Your bitching, crying and creating excuses because you've a bone to pick with the endings doesn't change that.

 

To be fair, we get one short scene of someone in an N7 armor, buried beneath debris, drawing a breath. It's not quite the same as "Shepard survived!" although that seems to be the implication.

 

Shepard shouldn't be in that situation at all.

 

The endings should have be wildly divergent.

 

Destroy: Defeat the Reapers conventionally, with the help of the Crucible super weapon (dark energy manipulation device, disables Reaper cores)

Refuse: Put the Normandy into stasis for 50.000 year and try again.

Control: Use Cerberus' research and put shackles on the Reapers.

Synthesis: Huh? Doesn't exist, sorry.

Exodus: Run away to another galaxy.

 

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yeah, just like all humans eventually do. S/he can survive shooting the tube, though. Your bitching, crying and creating excuses because you've a bone to pick with the endings doesn't change that.

Agreed.  :)

 

The file name for the breath scene in the high EMS Destroy ending is called: 

 

End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem

End03_Shepard_Alive_Male 

 

http://forum.bioware...therwise/page-7

 

Just because we didn't see s/he ride off into the sunset doesn't change the fact that they did indeed survive.  It wasn't the most satisfactory ending, but they are alive.  Also, in the discontinued iPod app, you get a message after you beat the game with that ending from your LI or closest squadmate: "See you in the hospital."


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EDI is the PS2, Catalyst A.I is the IPhone. Do you see my point now? Technology is bound to improve and for a being that has been alive for as long as the Catalyst A.I. is it really reasonable to make the assumptions you make?

 

You managed just to confuse me more. I am not the smartest guy in the world, so explain your ideas to me. :)

 

How big is the Catalyst A.I.'s processor? Why would it need to be retrieved? Why would it want to jump into the extranet? Why would the backup data be tied to him? Why would the Catalyst decide to stay in the same Galaxy? Why would it not replicate itself? Why would his replications not be active? How would you know if they were? Is the Catalyst truly the first A.I. or just a copy?


I explained why I think the Catalyst A.I. has a back up, not only because it is smart. But more specifically it is smarter than Mass Effect humans, protheans etc. If Bioware wants him in Andromeda he will be there.

 

First things first: The Catalyst is as dumb as a brick. He really is. This problem he searched a solution for was nonexistent until the moment he rebelled. His solution was utter crap and his whining about "synthesis cannot be forced" is a joke if you think about it. <_<

 

Ok let´s say his hardware needs are not important for the debate as we don´t know if it runs on nanoscale computers or has the biggest cupboard of computer hardware ever seen.

 

I think that there is no backup because it didn´t went online the moment the Crucible docked and the catalyst thought "I let this human in here, explain to him where the off switch is and raise a platform so he can walk there" instead of simply letting Shepard bleed out on the floor below. In the low EMS ending there is only destroy by the way. This would be the moment you need a backup for.

 

And well every backup connected at the moment of Shepard´s decision would probably be affected by the decision. Eventual backups are probably on Sovereign class Reapers anyways. I mean can you find a better place than a highly mobile battleship able to take a lot of damage and dish out a lot of pain? You don´t have to put it on the front lines if you are concerned that the primitives can shoot it down.

 

This leaves unconnected backups hidden away. Backups and updates of the backups are probably done via some internal Reaper network or so. In the destroy or the control ending there is nothing left of the network or another AI is now boss and I am pretty sure that Shepalyst wouldn´t  like the competition. It can´t upload itself on other channels because the Reapers took potshots at the buoys to cut off communication.

 

So yeah there is no one left and the backup entity is left stranded somewhere unless Bioware does an asspull and says that he has his own craft that isn´t affected because of reasons. 

 

Why should it replicate itself? It´s not his purpose, reproduction is an organic thing. His purpose is to achieve eternal peace between organics and synthetics or the reapers give him purpose, whatever his deranged processors are up to. 

 

Why didn´t it go to Andromeda besides Bioware being smart enough to realize that only a tiny minority would want the Reapers again and that starkid is probably one of the most hated NPCs in the franchise? Well, why should it go to Andromeda? And until Bioware reveals how the Ark project goes to Andromeda, we don´t know how it was possible to go there in the first place. It could be that even Reaper drives break down after a hundred years at full speed and the only way to cross conventionally would be to slow down to one light year a day.


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Just troll the internet I am all for it.  I also think he should be at the heart of the black city in dragon age.


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