That's one story. 99% of the time, they're treated like jamokes and look the part. Wolf in sheep's clothing done right? Look at the quarians. They have weaker immune systems than most of the galaxy and do most of their warring on ships, but look at characters like Tali, Reegar, Koris, and Golo (from Ascension) and you can see they can hang with other species in combat. Volus could also use this makeover, or just go away.
No, no, you're grossly mislead. Behind their round cuteness, lie cut-throat mercenaries. Volus are awesome. Cloak for light melee, Shielded heavy melee or punch to the nuts with falcon punch. All of them are great field medics, and they are the only race I don't feel dirty for using the Reegar carbine with. Volus adept could use something better than stasis, like warp or lash, and the sentinel anything else but Decoy, but the engineer and vanguard are fine as they are. Then again, the QFE and Quarian Marksman could use a bit of love too.
Really, any Star Trek series should have Klingon scientists. How the hell else do they even get off their planet? XD
One of the episodes with the scientists explains that the Klingon Empire wasn't always as warlike, but it has been in intellectual decline due to a cultural shift to see warfare as the only means to gain "honor", thus causing people to avoid non martial professions and those who choose them to be looked down upon. Flimsy excuse to explain why a bunch of brutish morons running around with swords have spaceships, but there it is.
No, no, you're grossly mislead. Behind their round cuteness, lie cut-throat mercenaries. Volus are awesome. Cloak for light melee, Shielded heavy melee or punch to the nuts with falcon punch. All of them are great field medics, and they are the only race I don't feel dirty for using the Reegar carbine with. Volus adept could use something better than stasis, like warp or lash, and the sentinel anything else but Decoy, but the engineer and vanguard are fine as they are. Then again, the QFE and Quarian Marksman could use a bit of love too.
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This is a joke right? No. Fine
And that's with a Saber, not usually considered an absolute top tier weapon. Quarian Marksman is one of the strongest kits in the game (especially against single targets) assuming the user can aim. The only "love" he needs is the ability to actually aim (because he doesn't have any stagger crutches to fall back on if you aren't good enough to destroy things quickly enough.)
QFE isn't in the same leauge as Quarksman, but is still a monster vs armor heavy factions such as Reaper/Collector. Her direct power DPS (as in, not resulting from combos) is among the highest of any character in the game, and she has the best debuff there is. If you can't do well with her, the problem is you.
Neither of these characters are anywhere near comparable to the volus, who are universally some of the worst kits in the game (in fact the Sentinel literally is the worst kit). Only the Engineer is really decent. No, throwing a Reegar on the Volguard doesn't count because that has nothing to do with the merits of the kit, as literally every other vanguard is better at doing the same thing.
One of the episodes with the scientists explains that the Klingon Empire wasn't always as warlike, but it has been in intellectual decline due to a cultural shift to see warfare as the only means to gain "honor", thus causing people to avoid non martial professions and those who choose them to be looked down upon. Flimsy excuse to explain why a bunch of brutish morons running around with swords have spaceships, but there it is.
This is a joke right? No. Fine
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And that's with a Saber, not usually considered an absolute top tier weapon. Quarian Marksman is one of the strongest kits in the game (especially against single targets) assuming the user can aim. The only "love" he needs is the ability to actually aim (because he doesn't have any stagger crutches to fall back on if you aren't good enough to destroy things quickly enough.)
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QFE isn't in the same leauge as Quarksman, but is still a monster vs armor heavy factions such as Reaper/Collector. Her direct power DPS (as in, not resulting from combos) is among the highest of any character in the game, and she has the best debuff there is. If you can't do well with her, the problem is you.
Neither of these characters are anywhere near comparable to the volus, who are universally some of the worst kits in the game (in fact the Sentinel literally is the worst kit). Only the Engineer is really decent. No, throwing a Reegar on the Volguard doesn't count because that has nothing to do with the merits of the kit, as literally every other vanguard is better at doing the same thing.
Of course I was joking. Everyone knows Volus are terrible DPS-wise. Besides, in order to cut any throat, they'd need to go to combat with a ladder. And anyone in their right mind who wants to finish a game unde 25 mn max wouldn't use a melee Volus (or worse, a melee juggernaut, that I really can't play. Way too slow and boring for my taste), to boot. Note that I never said volguard and volgineer were better than others, just that they were fine as they were. I still find them fun to play from time to time. If I only wanted to play the ultra-DPS kits, I'd stick to Gethfiltrator and Drelldept. I happen to like variety. I do like the Marksman as well and haven't done too badly with him either, although I'm certainly not as good as the player in that first video. Still, for me the real Quarian monster is the QME, thanks to his grenades. Not much skill needed for quick and very effective spawn point obliteration. As for the QFE video... claymore and inciendary...
Don't get me wrong, I like the QFE too, I play her too, not as often as my volgineer (who is incidentelly equipped with either black widow, claymore or collector smg depending of my fancy), or the Vorcha engineer though. What can I say? The commentaries of both those races amuse me more.
No, no, you're grossly mislead. Behind their round cuteness, lie cut-throat mercenaries. Volus are awesome. Cloak for light melee, Shielded heavy melee or punch to the nuts with falcon punch. All of them are great field medics, and they are the only race I don't feel dirty for using the Reegar carbine with. Volus adept could use something better than stasis, like warp or lash, and the sentinel anything else but Decoy, but the engineer and vanguard are fine as they are. Then again, the QFE and Quarian Marksman could use a bit of love too.
PAYDAY!
Yeah we're talking lore here, bub. Not some garbage waste of resource kits that took extra Salarians' spots. I can't for one second buy a Volus actually fighting. And if we're bringing up Quarians vs Volus in mp (and this is NOT the MP forum), QME drops the mic vs. any non infiltrator kit.
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As for the QFE video... claymore and inciendary...
What is wrong with either of those? Claymore isn't all that powerful (considering its heavy weight kills cooldowns) and he wasn't cheesing the ammo. She's even more powerful given one of the godmode weapons like Arc Pistol, Wraith or Talon.
The kit is great and perfectly effective. It simply requires a little L2P. I'd hate to see its excellent balance buffed into some scrub tier, button mashing spam nonsense like the Paladin simply because it isn't easy enough for baddies to pick up and smash spawns with (much like the Quarksman).
Yeah we're talking lore here, bub. Not some garbage waste of resource kits that took extra Salarians' spots. I can't for one second buy a Volus actually fighting. And if we're bringing up Quarians vs Volus in mp (and this is NOT the MP forum), QME drops the mic vs. any non infiltrator kit.
yep. Just think, for every game that you have one of those little bowling ball shіts following you around and "helping" by locking up your gun/powers with shield boost, you could have had Kirrahe the salarian soldier gunning shіt down, a rachni slashing things to death and breathing poision, a goddamn Yahg punching a brute to death or something else awesome. But no, we get 4 goddamn volus because having twice as many combat bankers as the badass lizard people who literally invented the Specters makes total sense.
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Meanwhile I'm still having fond memories of Quarksman with the Geth Super Soaker. . .The cheese is so good.
. . .I still vote for a change in eye style for the Asari, or at the very least an explanation for their pre-coitus eye change. I still don't get that. Everytime I hear the phrase 'Embrace Eternity' I feel like I just got a death threat and need to shoot blue into a pile of red.
Yeah we're talking lore here, bub. Not some garbage waste of resource kits that took extra Salarians' spots. I can't for one second buy a Volus actually fighting. And if we're bringing up Quarians vs Volus in mp (and this is NOT the MP forum), QME drops the mic vs. any non infiltrator kit.
Evidently, I need to work on my sarcasm and make it more obvious if 'cut-throat' mercenaries didn't tip you off. I can actually imagine a Volus fighting, especially if it's that or watch their entire race being made into amonia stinking organic goo. I'll feel free to bring up MP as long as there's isn't a dedicated MP forum, and I never made it a competition between Volus and Quarians. I just mentionned kits that, to my sense, could be better.
I don't see why people get so sore about Volus. Lore-wise, the awakened Collector is even worse. Could have been a Salarian instead. Not to mention the plethora of human kits, one of which could have been easily traded for another Salarian (looking at you, Talon Mercenary engineer).
Anyway, my point before we got waylaid with MP was that Volus don't need any makeover. Their engineers are fine and they did contribute to the war effort. They could be depicted better, certainly, but that does leave space to be expended upon. Unless they aren't in Andromeda of course, and in that case it means BW effectively decided to do away with them. I'll find it sad, but I know it's a fate threatening any of the less prominent species.
What is wrong with either of those? Claymore isn't all that powerful (considering its heavy weight kills cooldowns) and he wasn't cheesing the ammo. She's even more powerful given one of the godmode weapons like Arc Pistol, Wraith or Talon.
The kit is great and perfectly effective. It simply requires a little L2P. I'd hate to see its excellent balance buffed into some scrub tier, button mashing spam nonsense like the Paladin simply because it isn't easy enough for baddies to pick up and smash spawns with (much like the Quarksman).
There is nothing wrong with either of those, and claymore is definitely one of the best weapons, even with its horrendous weight. Inciendary ammo is pure destruction however you look at it, compounded with the excellent skill of Deerber, of course it was going well. The second QFE vid you posted only adds to my argument. Most of the work was done by the mad skill of Capn233 at handling Arc Pistol. Looking at how he played that game, I'm pretty sure he'd done almost as well even with the Volus Mercenary (almost because Incinerate does help much more than Decoy). It was more a case of L2P Arc Pistol than L2P QFE. As I said, she's not bad, but I wouldn't mind if they made her a bit more special
There is nothing wrong with either of those, and claymore is definitely one of the best weapons, even with its horrendous weight. Inciendary ammo is pure destruction however you look at it, compounded with the excellent skill of Deerber, of course it was going well. The second QFE vid you posted only adds to my argument. Most of the work was done by the mad skill of Capn233 at handling Arc Pistol. Looking at how he played that game, I'm pretty sure he'd done almost as well even with the Volus Mercenary (almost because Incinerate does help much more than Decoy). It was more a case of L2P Arc Pistol than L2P QFE. As I said, she's not bad, but I wouldn't mind if they made her a bit more special
You're making excuses. Incendiary ammo helps but is hardly required nor makes a massive difference in TTK without intentional cheesing (indeed, most people who use her prefer disruptor to make up for her lack of anti shield powers). Claymore isn't considered among the "best" weapons by anyone in the know (due to the existence of a multitude of broken caster guns with similar or superior DPS but much less weight, more range and less overkill on mooks) and yet that QFE is smashing things with it. You could give her any weapon and she would destroy Reapers because her entire power set is focussed around anti armor. In that case every incinerate does over 5000 armor damage, and every Claymore shot more than 3500 (immediately, before ammo DOT) due to stacking on Cryo blast's 25% multiplicative debuff and 50% armor sundering. It can drop a gold/plat brute or scion in about 3-4 seconds because It's a very effective setup with high burst DPS numbers. Skill is irrelevant. The fact that you can't do it doesn't make the kit any less capable.
No, he wouldn't have (and the time was slowed by the 10ws requirement and the fact that it was geth anyway). Volus Merc is awful, and almost every kit played with the Arc pistol is going to look similar as in RHA whoring (that was sort of the point I was making in favour of the claymore video being a better representation of the kits unique strengths). It isn't just incinerate, but the combination of it with CB. Look at not just the tech burst spam but how quickly the big armor targets like primes are burning to death. QFE is one of the best balanced kits in the game. It's very powerful, but has weaknesses (shields/barriers) and doesn't hold your hand. It certainly doesn't need to be made "more special" insofar as in completely noob friendly AOE spam like most power based kits are.
Meanwhile I'm still having fond memories of Quarksman with the Geth Super Soaker. . .The cheese is so good.
. . .I still vote for a change in eye style for the Asari, or at the very least an explanation for their pre-coitus eye change. I still don't get that. Everytime I hear the phrase 'Embrace Eternity' I feel like I just got a death threat and need to shoot blue into a pile of red.
I could go either way on the black eye thing, but I think that the asari are simply too human-like to really do anything significant with them. The most I could see are more varieties of facial patterns, but little else.
I think that "embrace eternity" was one of those little goofy things in ME1 best left in the past.
When we first played Mass Effect, back in the day, we were probably impressed with all the aliens. But were they really alien as alien should be? Does that thematically fit with the core theme of exploring strange new cultures?
Let's consider.
Look, inter-species sex in general is ridiculous, right? Fanservice is inescapable, it would seem. The asari, the quarian, and the drell make absolutely no sense and yes, they were made that way to appeal to certain, ah, demographics.
I think it's too late to backtrack, even if the developers are willing. And c'mon, do you really think they are?
You're making excuses. Incendiary ammo helps but is hardly required nor makes a massive difference in TTK without intentional cheesing (indeed, most people who use her prefer disruptor to make up for her lack of anti shield powers). Claymore isn't considered among the "best" weapons by anyone in the know (due to the existence of a multitude of broken caster guns with similar or superior DPS but much less weight, more range and less overkill on mooks) and yet that QFE is smashing things with it. You could give her any weapon and she would destroy Reapers because her entire power set is focussed around anti armor. In that case every incinerate does over 5000 armor damage, and every Claymore shot more than 3500 (immediately, before ammo DOT) due to stacking on Cryo blast's 25% multiplicative debuff and 50% armor sundering. It can drop a gold/plat brute or scion in about 3-4 seconds because It's a very effective setup with high burst DPS numbers. Skill is irrelevant. The fact that you can't do it doesn't make the kit any less capable.
No, he wouldn't have (and the time was slowed by the 10ws requirement and the fact that it was geth anyway). Volus Merc is awful, and almost every kit played with the Arc pistol is going to look similar as in RHA whoring (that was sort of the point I was making in favour of the claymore video being a better representation of the kits unique strengths). It isn't just incinerate, but the combination of it with CB. Look at not just the tech burst spam but how quickly the big armor targets like primes are burning to death. QFE is one of the best balanced kits in the game. It's very powerful, but has weaknesses (shields/barriers) and doesn't hold your hand. It certainly doesn't need to be made "more special" insofar as in completely noob friendly AOE spam like most power based kits are.
Inciendary ammo IV + incinerate is intentionallycheasing it (not that there's anything wrong with that either), unless we have vastly different concepts of cheese. Right, that's why nobody ever uses claymore and there's been countless of threads demanding it is buffed (sarcasm). Have we ever played together? Please don't make baseless assumptions on the person you're having an argument with, it's very bad taste. I may not be one of the super MP elite, but I still do well enough, including with the QFE. And do not put in my mouth things I never said. I never asked for AoE. If you'd bothered to ask what I would have wanted for her, it would have been combat drone, E Drain, or Sabotage instead of Sentry turret. Or at least that Sentry turret was overhauled. As it currently is, I don't see the point in speccing in it at all. You disagree? Fine. End of story, it's not like she's going to be changed at this point anyway.
Now it wasn't my intention to get dragged into a Volus/Quarian comparison. I would have loved to have more Salarians, Rachni or even Yahg, but it didn't happen. Raging about it and taking it on Volus is pointless.There was never any doubt in my mind that the volus sentinel is crappy, and I have said so myself earlier. Still that was great use of the Arc pistol. It would have taken more time, obviously, but he would still have succeded with reliable headshots in a timely fashion. In relation to this thread, I was protesting to the fact that Volus or Hanar needed to be changed. They are fine as they are. Just like the other races. ME was never an overly serious game and doesn't need to be. Species that aren't super-badass and bring humour to the game are actually refreshing.
Edit: I will admit I was wrong about the Quarcksman. I haven't played him in a long while and had forgotten he's pretty fun
My issue with the Asari is that they're supposed to be super-sexy and attractive to everyone, yet they're only portrayed as sexy females. What about asari who are very attractive to women or ******/bisexual men? They could add a lot of variety by simply not portraying every asari as someone with typically female attributes, because that doesn't work with the whole "attractive to everyone" thing.
My issue with the Asari is that they're supposed to be super-sexy and attractive to everyone, yet they're only portrayed as sexy females. What about asari who are very attractive to women or ******/bisexual men? They could add a lot of variety by simply not portraying every asari as someone with typically female attributes, because that doesn't work with the whole "attractive to everyone" thing.
The real question for me regarding any class in MP is: Is it fun to play?
Are Quarian classes more fun than others? I sincerely doubt it.
When I compare the Quarian classes to Krogan, Vorcha, and some of the newer human classes,
I don't even see the Quarians in the same ball park when it comes to sheer fun.
Fun is ultimately subjective. There's not much point in arguing from that perspective. In the case of the races you mentioned, I generally dislike playing krogan because they're slow and have no dodge, and dislike playing Vorcha because playing a Flamer kit is like watching paint dry with how uninvolved it is (find enemy>press button), and the sound also irritates me (the VEngineer is okay, if slightly underpowered). As for the N7 humans, 4 of them irritate me (Shadow, Slayer, Fury and especially Paladin), the Destroyer is basically the same thing as Quarksman or TSol but slower, and the Demolisher is in essesnce a gimp QME who is only really useful for people who like to camp/farm or those with low level grenade gear.
If you simply have fun with kits that are easy to pick up and play than you might try the Quarian Male Engineer, actually. Has above average shields, good movement/dodge and is extremely easy to score well with even without much aiming skill by simply chaining arcgrenades and incinerates to cause very powerful tech bursts/fire explosions. Last I checked he was the fastest average kit in the platinum solos HOF. Quarian male infiltrator is also very easy to learn and likely the most efficiently killing kit in the game on gold and below in a team setting. Cloak and throw arc grenades at things, then shoot the few who survive in the face.
Inciendary ammo IV + incinerate is intentionallycheasing it (not that there's anything wrong with that either), unless we have vastly different concepts of cheese. Right, that's why nobody ever uses claymore and there's been countless of threads demanding it is buffed (sarcasm). Have we ever played together? Please don't make baseless assumptions on the person you're having an argument with, it's very bad taste. I may not be one of the super MP elite, but I still do well enough, including with the QFE. And do not put in my mouth things I never said. I never asked for AoE. If you'd bothered to ask what I would have wanted for her, it would have been combat drone, E Drain, or Sabotage instead of Sentry turret. Or at least that Sentry turret was overhauled. As it currently is, I don't see the point in speccing in it at all. You disagree? Fine. End of story, it's not like she's going to be changed at this point anyway.
Incendiary cheesing is you roll the power DOT into the ammo's to shorten it. In the case of a QFE, the point would be to fire incinerate first (to start it's 8 second DOT) then shoot to apply the ammo's 3 second DOT, thus combining all of the power's usually slower DOT effect into the 3 second window (Higher ROF weapons of course add stacks faster, which is why Reegar is so broken). Deerber isn't doing that. Armored targets are usually dying when they are hit with the incinerate or immediately after from a 3rd claymore blast, so there is no time for the stacking to take effect (except for the natural glitched stacking that occurs on any character using the ammo regardless of other powers) and DOT's aren't really contributing any damage.
I didn't say the Claymore was underpowered. You were invoking it (along with Incendiary IV) as if it were so powerful that it were the sole reason that the kit was effective, when that simply isn't the case. It is a gun that works very well on her in relation to other engineers because CB's cooldown is still very short with it (2.7sec) thus enabling constant CC meshing quite well with the RC duration, and doesn't proportionately tank her power damage like it would on a kit reliant on chaining primers and detonators within limited timing windows. Combined with an AP turret and using that setup with appropriate amps, pretty much nothing else in the engineer class will be able to reach the same armor DPS, burst or sustained (other than the two grenade spammers assuming you already have Tacscan cast or dump 3-5 grenades on each target, which is unrealistic) while still killing all humanoids in a single shot. Even if you use lesser weapons, it is still a strong kit provided you keep cooldowns low (I frequently use the Adas on gold/plat with her and it does fine). It is statistically a powerful kit in its niche (single target anti armor).
As for your suggestions I'll put spoilers for boring stuff.....
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Turret is an okay power that grows in usefulness as you take players away (or add infiltrators) due to its aggro dumping abilities. Combat drone would actually be less effective (IMO, having completed her 200 waves challenge 26 times), because sentry turret is essentially a manually placed drone with the shock spec, performs a similar function but has a good deal more DPS and range. People like to dump on it because they've no idea how to place it, but it isn't that bad, and I don't think the drone's occasional, random detonation of incinerate (assuming the enemy can kill it) would be enough to overhaul a well placed turret's relatively reliable and almost cooldown free sustained damage considering it would constantly need to be recast. However, turret only starts being useful at rank 4, and only really can do damage if you put 5-6 ranks in it
Energy drain would essentially turn her into a single target, gimped version of the N7 Paladin, and how often do you use that power on that kit? Not very often, because it doesn't do very good damage and its priming window is extremely short, unable to give reliable detonations of TB's with a projectile power. I actually think that turret is more useful than ED ever would be unless you want to take the DR spec and play her as a tanky weapons platform (which she isn't really suited for). Plus she would then share two powers with the Salarian Engineer, as well as her shields, movement speeds, passives and dodge, which wouldn't be good for gameplay variety.
Sabotage similarly wouldn't have much synergy with CB and Incinerate. The only real reason to take it now since it got hit so many times with the nerf bat is for the rank 6 TV spec and its 1.5x tech power/combo damage modifier, but on the QFE CB already serves that function, and is more universal because it applies to all damage the affected target takes. It also gives an extra 100% additive bonus to a 6a spec incinerate, more than making up for the 25% tech power difference to sabotage (as if your gun wouldn't already have done that). There isn't a situation I can think of that it would be advantageous to use Sabotage over CB except for if you have a boss unit being focus fire'd by multiple teammates with tech powers that aren't incinerates (in which case if they're any good the target will be dead in 2 seconds anyway). Were it to replace turret, I'd probably go 5 in fitness for shield recharge then dump 3 points in it and never use it except for to distract blocking atlases/turrets/primes on pizza delivery runs with no cover (basically the only reason I put 3 points in it on quarksman)
Alright, you've convinced me. I still won't respec anything in Sentry turret since for me she's doing fine without it though. And for me cheesing was just abusing the high armor destruction power of incendiary ammo combined to firesplosions. Evidently I was wrong there too.
I actually do use ED on Paladin much more than snap freeze, but that's because I play him mostly melee, for sh** and giggles, and I need the fast shield regen, especially against Geth Primes. Sometimes I spec him out of snap freeze, sometimes out of Incinerate, but never out of ED and Shield Mastery. With him I just want to send mooks flying. I know that's a silly build, but it does amuse me. I use other kits when I want to go on a shooting fest. I use ED quite a bit on the SI too, mostly to regen shields after taking a warp ball or a missile to the face.
Fk the manari, if there was such thing i would help in their genocide. Kill all Male asari there is and ask a salarian to create genophage type think to make it impossible for use to give birth to male asari
Our race is know your our equality and grace
Having a male asari will defeat the whole purpose of being an asari
you mind as well call us human -.-
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