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[Xilizhra]

In my opinion, no. I felt that this is a step in the right direction.

 

If anything, Bioware has done an amazing job.

It's fine except for those ****** eyebrows.

[Shechinah]

It's fine except for those ****** eyebrows.

 

I'm going to wait to judge whether or not her eyebrows are real until we have more footage to assess from because as far as I can see, they look as likely to be fake as they do to look real.

 

Liara's design from Mass Effect 1 occasionally had moments where her eyebrows could look real so this may be one such case.

[Xilizhra]

I'm going to wait to judge whether or not her eyebrows are real until we have more footage to assess from because as far as I can see, they look as likely to be fake as they do to look real.

 

Liara's design from Mass Effect 1 occasionally had moments where her eyebrows could look real so this may be one such case.

While true, if they are real, it's best to make our displeasure known now to see if it might motivate the artists to remove them.

[Heimerdinger]

All I see is better textures, better facial expressions and more overall detail because the model is built on Frostbite. Aside from that they look the fockin' same as they did before. Doesn't look like a redesign.

 

Since the DA2 elf redesign was mentioned, now that was bad. DA2 elves looked like a crossbreed between goats, elves and orcs from Mount Gundabad.

[RIPRemusTheTurian]

I've always thought the asari should look like the protoss from Starcraft. That's what I imagine when I think physically monogender.

[Xilizhra]

I've always thought the asari should look like the protoss from Starcraft. That's what I imagine when I think physically monogender.

Er, protoss aren't physically monosexual.

[billywaffles]

Well that is hardly a redesign. Just better textures and more polygons. She just looks plain for an asari.

 

To me, Samara/Morinth was the only asari that looked really "alien".

[DarthLaxian]

I very much dislike that image.

 

Me too - looks more like a physically awkward child during puberty...just lacks the pimples! (seriously, what's with that smear (dirt?) around the eyes? Should that be for concealment purposes (like soldiers today coat their faces to blend in better with their environment)?)

 

I like the Asari over all and while in reality there are ugly individuals, I can suspend my disbelieve enough that I don't need them in games (particularly considering that the Andromeda Expedition would probably only send physically healthy people (who might even be genetically selected (people with hereditary diseases just aren't selected), so that diseases would appear more rarely after a civilization is established, so that the best possible start for the colonists is guaranteed!) who are looking good/are at peak physical fitness!) and, sorry:

 

But I don't think this example is exactly what I'd call pretty -.-

 

I am repeating myself:

 

But: Stop this re-design BS, it didn't work out well with the Dragon Age Elfs and it didn't work out great with Ashley Williams in Mass Effect either (sorry, but why did she have to become a total babe again? I mean she wasn't ugly (I thought she was pretty in ME1!), but she didn't look like fresh from the catwalk at some fashion show either - which was GREAT as she's a god-damned soldier who couldn't care LESS about make-up, dresses etc.)

 

Also stop with those dirt smears (it looked stupid on Hawke in Dragon Age 2 and it looks stupid here, too - sorry Bioware devs, I don't want to bash your work, but you've screwed up the last few times (Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 and even Dragon Age: Inquisition) and need to get back to your roots and make great games again - we know you are able to (or aren't you? Did you fire all the talent, like you did the writer of the dark energy plot in Mass Effect and really hire people who talk about virtual rape in GTA?))

[Shechinah]

I like the Asari over all and while in reality there are ugly individuals, I can suspend my disbelieve enough that I don't need them in games (particularly considering that the Andromeda Expedition would probably only send physically healthy people (who might even be genetically selected (people with hereditary diseases just aren't selected), so that diseases would appear more rarely after a civilization is established, so that the best possible start for the colonists is guaranteed!) who are looking good/are at peak physical fitness!) and, sorry:

 

But I don't think this example is exactly what I'd call pretty -.-

 

Did... Did you just basically say that people who don't fit a societal definition of beauty cannot be physical fit to a peak and cannot be in great health?
 

[BCMakoto]

 

But I don't think this example is exactly what I'd call pretty -.-

 

That entire argument boils down to the idea that every Asari has to be perfectly pretty. It's one of those moments when you realize that gamers seem to be as shallow as they are made out to be - that's from a lifelong gamer.

 

I don't get the big issue with that new Asari image. A boyish face and some dirt. It's alright. I actually like that new Asari, and that might be my very unpopular opinion. If you think you can't stand her appearance or don't like the way she is behaving (covering her eyes with dirt) - don't romance her. That's assuming she can be romanced in the first place, but I'm sure she can be romanced.

[Xilizhra]

Did... Did you just basically say that people who don't fit a societal definition of beauty cannot be physical fit to a peak and cannot be in great health?
 

To be fair, being perfectly fit/healthy and unattractive is a rare combination, since attractiveness is based in large part on health (something necessary for optimal mating), and most likely will involve some form of disfiguring injury. Or maybe I just find all fit/healthy women to be attractive myself.

[Dantriges]

The ME universe has genetic engineering. Obesity is mentioned as one of the things that got gengineered out of existence. I doubt that they left other hereditary diseases alone. It´s mentioned for humans, I doubt that asari left that field alone. Seems ardat yakshiism sneaks through the screening process though. So well you have to leave them all at home or don´t care.

[Monk]

Did... Did you just basically say that people who don't fit a societal definition of beauty cannot be physical fit to a peak and cannot be in great health?

 

They must not be a fan of round faces. Who knew?!

[Shechinah]

To be fair, being perfectly fit/healthy and unattractive is a rare combination, since attractiveness is based in large part on health (something necessary for optimal mating), and most likely will involve some form of disfiguring injury. Or maybe I just find all fit/healthy women to be attractive myself.

 
I know people who've been insanely healthy and who do not fit my society's common definition of beauty. Here is a quote that may provide a better explaination than I can as to what I mean;
 
"Basically, physical appearance is only a small indication of health. Primarily it is genetic inheritance. Genetic inheritance also carries susceptibility to various illnesses, especially cancers. Your physical appearance may be marred by malnourishment or other maltreatment, but otherwise physical appearance is a poor indication of health. If you are a celebrity, you may have access to better medical care through the application of those looks, but it still may be a long rough fight that doesn't always end well.

No. Minimal correlation, what little correlation there is can be attributed to other causes that keep looks healthier like nutrition and access to healthy food and water in your region. Parentage and region have more to do with health than just good looks."
 
I also said "a societal definition of beauty" because society's definitions can vary from society to society: I know a society wherein the common definition of beauty in women is them being overweight and another wherein the common definition of beauty in women is their teeth filed to points. Beauty is subjective.
 
Abridged!Android 18: "What if I do? Societal definitions of beauty are BS anyway." 
 
That aside, the asari does not look unhealthy to me. What is even the basis of that assesment?

[thepiebaker]

Quarians are the apex species. A mere 17 millon of them are worth more to the war effort than billions of asari or other lesser life forms. They're good at science, engineering, and all manner of kickin arse. Why would we need stripping?

Reapers are idiots. They only lost because they actively tried to, though the asari did all they could help them win with their beacon nonsense and terrible leadership in the Council. Geth are far more competent, naturally, being a quarian creation.

So you're bringing plot devices discovered by an asari (working for humans, I might add) now? Well then, In addition to the aforementioned largest contribution to the war sans humans, there's also the fact that without quarian genius, ME1 would never have advanced past the first hour, Saren wouldn't have been implicated, Sovereign wouldn't have been stopped, and the cycle reaped as normal. "Asari" (but really human) plot device is made possible by quarian plot device. Yet we win AGAIN.

#Rekt

Without quarians making the geth saran wouldn't have an army.

#rekt

[Monster A-Go Go]

To be fair, being perfectly fit/healthy and unattractive is a rare combination, since attractiveness is based in large part on health (something necessary for optimal mating), and most likely will involve some form of disfiguring injury.

 

*cough*

[dreamgazer]

To be fair, being perfectly fit/healthy and unattractive is a rare combination, since attractiveness is based in large part on health (something necessary for optimal mating), and most likely will involve some form of disfiguring injury.

... eh.

[Pillemarisk]

The asari were always the least alien species in terms of their design – they're blue humans with head tentacles. Adding eyebrows doesn't really  change that concept.

[In Exile]

To be fair, being perfectly fit/healthy and unattractive is a rare combination, since attractiveness is based in large part on health (something necessary for optimal mating), and most likely will involve some form of disfiguring injury. Or maybe I just find all fit/healthy women to be attractive myself.

That's just a bit of a crackpot theory on the Evo psych side. There's lots of evidence that people have a natural aversion toward being with people who are visibly unhealthy - and that makes sense. But the idea that signs of physical attractiveness are tied to health indicators isn't all that well substantiated apart from some very general high level features which are actually almost always the case in video games, without exception (like symmetrical features or height).

[Xilizhra]

In response to the two previous pictures: steroids don't count.

That's just a bit of a crackpot theory on the Evo psych side. There's lots of evidence that people have a natural aversion toward being with people who are visibly unhealthy - and that makes sense. But the idea that signs of physical attractiveness are tied to health indicators isn't all that well substantiated apart from some very general high level features which are actually almost always the case in video games, without exception (like symmetrical features or height).

Then maybe it's me personally.

[DarthLaxian]

Did... Did you just basically say that people who don't fit a societal definition of beauty cannot be physical fit to a peak and cannot be in great health?
 

 

No, I didn't, but beauty is one great first indicator (because beauty encompasses fitness and health - at least for me!...come on Ashley wasn't a classical beauty/cheerleader-type and I like(d) her...did you even read that?)

 

Sorry, but even the most beautiful women in the world (note: I know it's subjective, but everybody has at least a rough outline of what they find sexy) is less appealing if she's either fat, looks malnourished, has bags under her eyes (lack of sleep for example) or shows signs of medical issues (maybe related to drug use etc.) etc. etc....she might be a beauty without all those issues, but as long as she's got those she doesn't look as good (I mean don't you think you look ugly if you are ill and haven't been eating properly for a few days (maybe because you can't keep anything down)? I bet you have...I mean I myself am not even what you'd consider beautiful (but not ugly either) and I do look "like ****" (that's what people tell you you look like when you aren't at 100%) if I am ill)

[Laughing_Man]

That entire argument boils down to the idea that every Asari has to be perfectly pretty. It's one of those moments when you realize that gamers seem to be as shallow as they are made out to be - that's from a lifelong gamer.

 

I don't get the big issue with that new Asari image. A boyish face and some dirt. It's alright. I actually like that new Asari, and that might be my very unpopular opinion. If you think you can't stand her appearance or don't like the way she is behaving (covering her eyes with dirt) - don't romance her. That's assuming she can be romanced in the first place, but I'm sure she can be romanced.

 

I guess you must be rather shallow if you can't think of any objection to the new design that has nothing to do with wanting her to look pretty.

 

Personally I don't *hate* her design, and I support multiple body builds for all races, but I do feel a certain amount of dislike and find the design

strange for multiple reasons:

 

* The eyebrows - they simply shouldn't be there. They don't look like paint or a tattoo, they look like hair. A bit of respect for the lore would be nice.

 

* I'm trying to figure out why this (seemingly) young, childish, and somewhat chubby (the face looks rather round) Asari is part of our squad of explorers /

soldiers, and I just can't figure out. They ran out of Asari commandos? (I'm still hoping that the initial impression is wrong, but something is telling me that she isn't the awesome reiteration of Tela Vasir I was hoping for)

 

* The raccoon face-paint. Do I need to point it out? She looks like a circus clown with it. Not to mention we never saw any Asari with

even a remotely similar style of face paint.

 

* I don't want Sera 2.0 for a squad mate.

[Derrame]

asari  and human females have been redesigned to be boyish and ugly, like Sera

[ZipZap2000]

The raccoon strip over her eyes lol

That's so you can tell where her heads been.

*Sips #AsariLivesMatter*

[ZipZap2000]

I guess you must be rather shallow if you can't think of any objection to the new design that has nothing to do with wanting her to look pretty.

Personally I don't *hate* her design, and I support multiple body builds for all races, but I do feel a certain amount of dislike and find the design
strange for multiple reasons:

* The eyebrows - they simply shouldn't be there. They don't look like paint or a tattoo, they look like hair. A bit of respect for the lore would be nice.

* I'm trying to figure out why this (seemingly) young, childish, and somewhat chubby (the face looks rather round) Asari is part of our squad of explorers /
soldiers, and I just can't figure out. They ran out of Asari commandos? (I'm still hoping that the initial impression is wrong, but something is telling me that she isn't the awesome reiteration of Tela Vasir I was hoping for)

* The raccoon face-paint. Do I need to point it out? She looks like a circus clown with it. Not to mention we never saw any Asari with
even a remotely similar style of face paint.

* I don't want Sera 2.0 for a squad mate.

We may never get Tela Vasir.

Which is sad because everyone seems to want an actual commando.

Aria, Vasir and Shiala are frequently used as examples of the kind of squad mate we'd all rather have.

They never made a squaddy even close to being that cool. Let alone an Asari one.