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[Big Bad]

GRAAAGH!!! FIRST TIME VORCHA SAW THIS IN GAME, VERY DISPLEASED! WE LOVED TALI ONLY TO GET STOCK IMAGE WITH CRAPPY PHOTOSHOP JOB! LOOKED LIKE IT WAS MADE BY BLIND VARREN!! BIOWARE LAZY!! WE BURNED PICTURE  AND THEN SENT NASTY LETTER TO BIOWARE!! GRRRAAAAAAAGGHH!!! TOLD THEM ALL THE WAYS VORCHA WAS GOING TO BURN THEM FOR BREAKING VORCHA'S HEART!!! STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!!!

Vorcha Master Baits, every time that I see one of your posts, I like to pretend that you're secretly Ray Muzyka.  And who knows?  Maybe you really are!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You can help me burn down biower's headquarters if I don't get quarians in this game. We'll throw in a demand for a better redesign.

I really hope they don't exclude any of the races. If we're leaving the galaxy, at least have all of them leave with us. 

[shodiswe]

The Quarians seem far too sensitive, one of the reason they couldn't find a new homeworld was that they had trouble enduring the ardours of spacetravel and gettign too far away from civilisation that could provide them with needed medications and other things they needed.

 

Taking them with us to Andromeda Before the end of ME3 and a futore where the Geth fix the Quarians immunesystem... I don't see that happening.

 

If they want to avoid the endigns then they will launch some time before the ending to ME3.

 

If they launch after thessia, then there could be Geth and Quarians aboard if they are allied with the rest of the galaxy and the council.... Though the Quarians still seem quite fragile.

 

A Geth Quarian Peace, could probably be the best bet for the Quarians beign in, but I somehow doubt BW want's to force the decision. Unless they add a bunch of Quarian exiles, who had admirable reasons to being exiled and might have gained the Councils acceptance.

 

The Geth could have Legion faction Geth who are Legion Geth that are some kind of subgroup that's kind off broken off from the main Geth collective.

 

Somehow I have a feeling they might scrap both of them.

 

Still, they didn't scrap the Krogans and some pretty big decisions were available for them. No matter how huge the Council/Krogan divide could grow, we will still get Krogans in Andromeda.

 

So, I'm thinking they might try to include the old species we know, and add some new ones. Don't expect to get every species as a possible squadmate in ME:A though.

 

The Quarians and Geth are probably the hardest to include as a part of ME:A.  If they want to avoid big decisions and the endings.

 

TBH, I would like to see both of those, not sure if BW can manage it though.... But if they can make Another game after ME3, then , I guess they can make anything happen.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

Vorcha Master Baits, every time that I see one of your posts, I like to pretend that you're secretly Ray Muzyka.  And who knows?  Maybe you really are!

GRAAAGGGH!! NO!! WE NOT RAY MUZTARDYKA!! YOU CONFUSE US ON PURPOSE!! WE'RE ONTO YOUR TRICKS!! GO AWAY! LEAVE VORCHA ALONE!!

[Quarian Master Race]

The Quarians seem far too sensitive, one of the reason they couldn't find a new homeworld was that they had trouble enduring the ardours of spacetravel and gettign too far away from civilisation that could provide them with needed medications and other things they needed.

 

Taking them with us to Andromeda Before the end of ME3 and a futore where the Geth fix the Quarians immunesystem... I don't see that happening.

I don't see that as a problem at all. Tali is canonically shot more times than pretty much anyone (at least twice) and shrugs it off. Reegar is shot and ends up fine. ME2 (especially Tali's romance) really overdramatized the immune system issue at least in terms of day to day living. As long as there are antibiotics and antihistimines available, there doesn't seem to be any real issues. Further quarians not finding a new homeworld is almost as much a political issue (both internally and with galactic relations) as a biological one. 

 

The Quarians and Geth are probably the hardest to include as a part of ME:A.  If they want to avoid big decisions and the endings.

I don't think the quarians are, at least on an individual basis. The geth are a big issue without any canons, since they aren't really allies with the other factions in the galaxy up until the point where they can supposedly be completely exterminated (if the Battle of Rannoch description is to be believed), and they can be killed off again in one of the endings. Of course, they are a fan and writer favourite, so I wouldn't count them out at all. Someone else already mentioned them being multiplayer characters (which is canon) regardless of our choices in the SP, and this wouldn't be all that different.

Rachni are more difficult to include than either, IMO. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rachni are more difficult to include than either, IMO. 

Even they aren't that hard.

Bioware could just say something like "The Salarians kept a Rachni Queen Egg to study/utilize/etc". The Salarians have done that before. 

[Quarian Master Race]

Even they aren't that hard.

Bioware could just say something like "The Salarians kept a Rachni Queen Egg to study/utilize/etc". The Salarians have done that before. 

Indeed, the salarians love themselves some potentially dangerous biological research. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought their Yahg along with them as well.

I don't think there is any real reason to exclude any established species apart from laziness (and wouldn't really want any excluded), I'm just postulating on which would need the biggest asspulls. Rachni are at the top of that list, followed by geth, then batarians, quarians and drell are all about even.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Exclude the Rachni, Drell, Hanar, Batarians (reaper chow), and sad to say... Quarians and Geth. They need the biggest ass pulls to get them through.

 

The Hanar require Kasumi's mission in ME3 which happens before Rannoch. Kasumi was a DLC character and could  have died in ME2.

[Laughing_Man]

 ME2 (especially Tali's romance) really overdramatized the immune system issue at least in terms of day to day living. As long as there are antibiotics and antihistimines available, there doesn't seem to be any real issues.

 

If anything, the danger was downplayed and underestimated.

 

Antibiotics and similar things are not effective 100% of the time - far from it. With Quarians exposure and infection brings danger of death.

It's like a super deadly STD that you can prevent *maybe* by taking antibiotics or whatever. That's enough to suck out any sex appeal for most people.

 

But in the game that's treated as a totally logical course of action.

 

It's just not plausible, and I'd wager that this was at least partly the reason Tali was not a LI in ME1.

[DaemionMoadrin]

If anything, the danger was downplayed and underestimated.

 

Antibiotics and similar things are not effective 100% of the time - far from it. With Quarians exposure and infection brings danger of death.

It's like a super deadly STD that you can prevent *maybe* by taking antibiotics or whatever. That's enough to suck out any sex appeal for most people.

 

But in the game that's treated as a totally logical course of action.

 

Except it wasn't an infection. She's basically allergic to Shepard, but that's all.

[Quarian Master Race]

If anything, the danger was downplayed and underestimated.

 

Antibiotics and similar things are not effective 100% of the time - far from it. With Quarians exposure and infection brings danger of death.

It's like a super deadly STD that you can prevent *maybe* by taking antibiotics or whatever. That's enough to suck out any sex appeal for most people.

 

But in the game that's treated as a totally logical course of action.

Because using success rates of 21st century medicine to talk about a late 22nd century game where medicine, genetic engineering and cybernetics are so advanced we can bring people back from the dead makes perfect sense.

If quarians are running around getting shot and bleeding out all over the presidium/ haestrom/ multiplayer battlefields, they aren't that fragile. Were that the case, the species would have died out long before they reached the tech and civilization level they are at.

I don't know what sex appeal has to do with anything. It's obviously possible for them to reproduce, and if you are talking interspecies stuff, they just have cytokine storm reactions to everyone but turians (whom they share chirality with) that can reliably be suppressed, judging by the fact that we can see at least 3-4 instances of such relationships in universe.

No, it was massively overdone for dramatic purposes, especially compared to ME1.

[Laughing_Man]

Except it wasn't an infection. She's basically allergic to Shepard, but that's all.

 
Quarians almost always get infections if they are exposed. The only thing they can do to prevent this is to practically drown themselves in antibiotics, which are not always effective, and have severe consequences if used heavily and irresponsibly, it's certainly nothing to sneeze at.

 

Because using success rates of 21st century medicine to talk about a late 22nd century game where medicine, genetic engineering and cybernetics are so advanced we can bring people back from the dead makes perfect sense.

If quarians are running around getting shot and bleeding out all over the presidium/ haestrom/ multiplayer battlefields, they aren't that fragile. Were that the case, the species would have died out long before they reached the tech and civilization level they are at.

A. See my answer above regarding antibiotics. Advances in medicine will not necessarily make antibiotics into a miracle drug. Example: Tali's fever after a suit rupture, etc. These are effects of current gen antibiotics, not miracle drugs that allow free sex between aliens with radically different chemical structure.

B. Kalreegar disagrees with your assesment. He said that on a battlefield Quarians will be at a substantially greater risk because of exposure and infections, and are simply not built to fight a war in the front lines under these conditions.

C. You can like Quarians despite their shortcomings, every race has them. Don't let your bias to control your logic, it will lead you to the dark side...

[Dunmer of Redoran]

This thread, like so many others, teaches us that the lore of Mass Effect has more holes than all the golf courses in the world combined. Sooooooooo many conflicting posts and contradictory evidence.

[Quarian Master Race]

 
A. See my answer above regarding antibiotics. Advances in medicine will not necessarily make antibiotics into a miracle drug.

B. Kalreegar disagrees with your assesment. He said that on a battlefield Quarians will be at a substantially greater risk because of exposure and infections, and are simply not built to fight a war in the front lines under these conditions.

Again, you are superimposing what you know our own medicine to 150 years in the future where the field is essentially magic (see project Lazarus), upon an alien species that you have virtually no intimate knowledge of the immunology of at that. That fact that quarians aren't extinct despite participating in activities that you think they shouldn't be able to is all the evidence to the contrary that is needed to render your claims moot.

No he doesn't, as evidenced by the fact that his profession is being a soldier. His is a counterclaim to a statement made by Tali about their stockpiles of antibiotics, in which he states that things are different between small scale "strike ops" operations and large scale battles/ground wars due to the logistics of medical supplies becoming strained. As long as those supplies are available, there doesn't seem to be an issue on an individual basis. Were your assertion the case, quarians probably wouldn't bother having a military, and Tali probably wouldn't be a combat squadmate.
 

[Vortex13]

Congrats on your easily manipulated toaster hugging emotions, but this thread is here to discuss the best species in the ME universe and of all time.
 

 

Funny. The thread isn't titled: Rachni

 

 

[Laughing_Man]

Again, you are superimposing what you know our own medicine to 150 years in the future where the field is essentially magic (see project Lazarus), upon an alien species that you have virtually no intimate knowledge of the immunology of at that. That fact that quarians aren't extinct despite participating in activities that you think they shouldn't be able to is all the evidence to the contrary that is needed to render your claims moot.

No he doesn't, as evidenced by the fact that his profession is being a soldier. His is a counterclaim to a statement made by Tali about their stockpiles of antibiotics, in which he states that things are different between small scale "strike ops" operations and large scale battles/ground wars due to the logistics of medical supplies becoming strained. As long as those supplies are available, there doesn't seem to be an issue on an individual basis. Were your assertion the case, quarians probably wouldn't bother having a military, and Tali probably wouldn't be a combat squadmate.

 

 

*shrug*

 

I think that there's a lot of wishful thinking here due to your love for Quarians.

 

If you need an antibiotic artillery for every scratch and suit rupture, you *are* very fragile on the battlefield.

 

If you need to prepare for sex like going into a contaminated warzone, most people will just look for partners that are more compatible biologically.

(or for members of their own species if they want kids...)

 

But hey, any headcanon is valid, so knock yourself out...

[Quarian Master Race]

 

C. You can like Quarians despite their shortcomings, every race has them. Don't let your bias to control your logic, it will lead you to the dark side...

This isn't passive aggressive at all. I've seen you attack someone for the mere reason that you perceived them to be a rabid Talimancer due to unrelated comments that disparaged asari. You should follow your own advice instead of making insinuations of "bias" when someone points out that your logic is inconsistent with the in universe presentation.
 

But hey, any headcanon is valid, so knock yourself out...

Headcanon? So lets ignore that all of your assertions are based on what you think the universe should be, rather than what is presented.

There's no "wishful thinking" involved. At least three in game quarians recieve gunshots, (one of them on two seperate occasions) or wounds from varren bites and live, apart from one getting an infection that puts him down for a week (hardly an inordinate amount of time considering he was...you know, shot). We know of none that die from sex of any sort but at least 3 that engage in it (along with....you know, the fact that the species still exists). You're the one making up hypotheticals, so don't accuse me of it.

[Laughing_Man]

This isn't passive aggressive at all. I've seen you attack someone for the mere reason that you perceived them to be a rabid Talimancer due to unrelated comments that disparaged asari. You should follow your own advice instead of making insinuations of "bias" when someone points out that your logic is inconsistent with the in universe presentation.
 

 

You *are* using the "Quarian Master Race" nickname, and are announcing loudly your bias in just about every open thread on this forum,

but I'm not alowed to call you on it?

 

I try to follow logic when it comes to lore, I never claimed that the Asari are perfect, nor any other race.

I do have preferences, but I try not to let them blind me.

 

Edit: Regarding the rest, I would offer my reasoning, but I don't really see the point at this stage.

[DaemionMoadrin]

 
Quarians almost always get infections if they are exposed. The only thing they can do to prevent this is to practically drown themselves in antibiotics, which are not always effective, and have severe consequences if used heavily and irresponsibly, it's certainly nothing to sneeze at.

 

Eh, nope. Play the games again, read the codex or just read the wiki.

 

Quarians are dextro-protein based, meaning that their entire biology is different. Cross species infections are unheard of unless you count the plague engineered by the Collectors. A human bacteria or virus can't infect a Quarian. Fact.

 

What happens when Quarians come in contact with a microbe is that their immune system either can't deal with it at all (since it is used to symbiotic microbes) or provokes an allergic reaction.

 

Their immune system originally wasn't weak, it was just different. It has become less efficient due to the sterile environment of the Fleet but that can be countered by medicine. Vaccinations, immunizations and, if necessary, immune boosters and anti-biotics. Any Quarian leaving the fleet is given those treatments.

 

Quarians just need some time to acclimate to their (quarian) partner before they can have sex safely. Couple of days, maybe a week of connecting their suits and getting fevers and then that's it. (That probably means Quarians don't cheat on their partners^^)

 

Tali and Shepard is a different story, here it's an actual allergic reaction based on their different proteins. Infections are a secondary concern, although Shepard probably should have taken a long shower first.

[Angry_Elcor]

Congrats on your easily manipulated toaster hugging emotions, but this thread is here to discuss the best species in the ME universe and of all time.

 

Between my Elcor mom and my Volus dad, there's no way we could get past this being part of the public record. Talk about drama on both sides of the family! Alas, my research into Quarian-Elcor pairings was for naught. It's probably for the best. During my research I got... stuck in an induction port. It's best not to get into the details.

[Vortex13]

Between my Elcor mom and my Volus dad, there's no way we could get past this being part of the public record. Talk about drama on both sides of the family! Alas, my research into Quarian-Elcor pairings was for naught. It's probably for the best. During my research I got... stuck in an induction port. It's best not to get into the details.

 

 

With Reluctant Shame: There was a hole.

[Angry_Elcor]

Between my Elcor mom and my Volus dad

 

So this is a reference to a post I made years ago, which of course no one remembers but me. I went looking for it once, before the move to the new site. The search system on old BSN was... not good. I wasn't able to find it. I hadn't really tried with the new search system, and I have to say, it's pretty good. I found it a lot easier than I ever expected to.

 

For no reason than because I finally found the damn thing:

 

The post that started the chain.

 

The post the set it up ("the lob" if you will.)

 

And this is the post explaining my silly genealogy.

 

Of course, they're all fairly close to each other on the same page, so I probably didn't need to link all three of them. Trips down BSN memory lane are fun.

[Olivia Wilde]

as long as they dance Quarians are welcome on my ship

 

seriously I would like to see a Quarian squad member in Andromeda (a female soldier-type)

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

I wouldn't be surprised if they brought their Yahg along with them as well.
 

I heartily endorse this product and/or service.

[Quarian Master Race]

You *are* using the "Quarian Master Race" nickname, and are announcing loudly your bias in just about every open thread on this forum,

but I'm not alowed to call you on it?

 

I try to follow logic when it comes to lore, I never claimed that the Asari are perfect, nor any other race.

I do have preferences, but I try not to let them blind me.

 

Edit: Regarding the rest, I would offer my reasoning, but I don't really see the point at this stage.

You haven't called me on anything except perceived bias due to a username and posting style (some of which may or may not be obviously facetious). You are posting lore incorrect information, and I and other posters in this thread are having to correct you on it. You get mad and accuse me of "headcanon" and "wishful thinking" even though I have provided specific in universe examples to support every one of my claims.

If you were actually trying to follow logic, you wouldn't be making the dubious assertions you are and then ignoring when I and others correct you or provide context. Whether or not you are biased I will not speculate any further on than I already have, not that it is actually relevant to the arguments you present anyway as long as there is supporting evidence for them which isn't contradicted by other sources.

Your perrogative. There's no need to get upset at internet people and start tossing ad homenim at them if you reconsider.