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[nightscrawl]

Try limit the races to only human is a step backwards.

I rather they work on all the races to make it more immersive, like it was in DAO. We need an origin to our character. I don't need a text telling me what he was before the freaking conclave. SHOW ME.

 

But you know, I will be surprised if they actually go back to that.

 

IMO this is a personal preference regarding being shown the origin. I actually preferred the bare-bones that we got with DAI and feel that it leaves it very open to roleplay. I do have a general idea of what my Inquisitor did at the Conclave and any sort of origin play would probably have made that moot.

 

But I agree that all of the races should have an equal amount of development and some meat to their story. While it was really great that they put in additional races due to the extra development time, they sometimes seem like an afterthought, particularly with regard to their reason for being at the Conclave in the first place.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Do you think Ronda Rousey can go toe-to-toe with Anderson Silva or any skilled UFC mma fighter? Because if she can't which I know she can't then that's the reason it's illogical for most women being able to fight men in DA. Note I said most because some can fight however DAI represents and shows to many female fighters. Ridiculous in my opinion and it has nothing to do with male power fantasies. Just logic and reason and I don't care if there are dragons and magic - it doesn't matter. I don't see women having the weight or testosterone to fight male opponents in infantry clashes. In mass effect I never would have such a problem because shooting is different from using a sword and shield.

UFC is a sport; the rules prohibit disabling strikes and try to eliminate physical advantage as to create skill against skill—weight class—that said, many smaller fighters have beaten larger ones due to superior technique.

UFC isn’t meant to represent reality, thus what would happen in a ring means very little. One hit to the groin, one eye-gouge, game over. The more prepared, cunning, and experienced fighter will win. This works on a local scale, and also works for masses of soldiers, a la guerrilla warfare.

My mentioning Rousey was merely to demonstrate the tremendous skills and strength women have. How she’d fair in the ring against a much larger opponents is irrelevant for aforementioned reasons.

And historically, unless duelling, soldiers fought as a unit: an individual’s prowess meant very little.

Testosterone? First thing you’re taught in any civilized army is discipline and self-control, so things like testosterone don’t get you and the people around you killed.

But anyway, you’ve got your ideas all sorted out. Don’t let me get in the way of how you see the world. No more of my time’s worth spending here.

[Dutch's Ghost]

UFC is a sport; the rules prohibit disabling strikes and try to eliminate physical advantage as to create skill against skill—weight class—that said, many smaller fighters have beaten larger ones due to superior technique.

UFC isn’t meant to represent reality, thus what would happen in a ring means very little. One hit to the groin, one eye-gouge, game over. The more prepared, cunning, and experienced fighter will win. This works on a local scale, and also works for masses of soldiers, a la guerrilla warfare.

My mentioning Rousey was merely to demonstrate the tremendous skills and strength women have. How she’d fair in the ring against a much larger opponents is irrelevant for aforementioned reasons.

And historically, unless duelling, soldiers fought as a unit: an individual’s prowess meant very little.

Testosterone? First thing you’re taught in any civilized army is discipline and self-control, so things like testosterone don’t get you and the people around you killed.

But anyway, you’ve got your ideas all sorted out. Don’t let me get in the way of how you see the world. No more of my time’s worth spending here.

Real life pre-modern warfare does not deal with rules when your fighting for your life and trying to end the life of your opponent.

[Realmzmaster]

So amazing games like Final Fantasy 6, 7, 8, the Breath of Fire series...are not RPGs because they have pre made characters?  A role playing game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting.  In no way does that limit the term to games featuring only custom made characters.  The only one here misunderstanding the term is you.

 

Actually, there is a further breakdown in the genre to sub-genres of wcrpg and jrpg. Traditionally, wcrpgs have had custom made characters or parties being based on D & D and other P & P rulesets  whereas jrpg have had pre made characters. Whether you agree with the distinction or not it does exist.

 

Early wcrpgs and jrpgs allowed the creation of the entire party like (Wizardry series, Bard's Tale etc) or the central protagonist (mostly wrpgs like Baldur's Gate, NWN, PST). Japanese crpgs moved away from custom made characters to pre made characters..

 

So it is a bias that some gamers have when it comes to rpgs that they consider rpgs that allow for custom made characters to be "true" rpgs.

 

Also some gamers have problem with games that have a more action oriented base where motor skills can play a significant role in the game. The Witcher and other games fall into both camps with a pre-made character and more action oriented combat.

 

I consider all of them to be rpgs which cater to different tastes. There is room for all of them, but for some gamers YMMV.

[Wolven_Soul]

I'd ask the same of you re: backing up the claim. Saying you "heard" something isn't really enough. I really highly doubt that more people played as Qunari than anything else simply because statistics from games like DAO with multiple race choices do bear out that human is (far and away) the primary choice. Even adding the additional Qunari race for DAI, I might expect the figure for humans to still be about 60-70%.

 

A significant number of people don't even finish the game a single time, for various reasons. There are also people who might make a character to test it out, thus adding to the telemetry, and decide to not play for whatever reason and make something else. Also, people who have multiple playthroughs, and make multiple characters (many on these forums) are in the minority.

 

Telemetry data is only numbers and it can't be known just why a player made this or that choice, which IS important. If a player decides to not do a romance it doesn't mean that they don't like the idea of romance or don't care about them and could certainly mean that they weren't satisfied with any of the options, or perhaps they preferred to RP a 'forever alone' Inquisitor (or Warden or Hawke). I bet there were many people that played though every single DAO origin option just to see them all because they're all short and simple, and then went with human as their primary race. Those incomplete games also add to the stats, but can't tell us why the person stopped playing.

 

No, I can't, which was why I was asking the other person if they could, because I was honestly curious.  They backed it up, end of discussion.  Though I find it odd that so many people play as human.  Why role play as a race you already are when there are so many more interesting options.  That's just my opinion though.  Even back in my D&D days I don't think I ever once played as a human.  

 

When I said that about the Qunari I was referring to an interview I think...that a developer gave where he said that more people were playing as a Qunari female mage.  But that was really, really early in the game's life.

[Wolven_Soul]

Actually, there is a further breakdown in the genre to sub-genres of wcrpg and jrpg. Traditionally, wcrpgs have had custom made characters or parties being based on D & D and other P & P rulesets  whereas jrpg have had pre made characters. Whether you agree with the distinction or not it does exist.

 

Early wcrpgs and jrpgs allowed the creation of the entire party like (Wizardry series, Bard's Tale etc) or the central protagonist (mostly wrpgs like Baldur's Gate, NWN, PST). Japanese crpgs moved away from custom made characters to pre made characters..

 

So it is a bias that some gamers have when it comes to rpgs that they consider rpgs that allow for custom made characters to be "true" rpgs.

 

Also some gamers have problem with games that have a more action oriented base where motor skills can play a significant role in the game. The Witcher and other games fall into both camps with a pre-made character and more action oriented combat.

 

I consider all of them to be rpgs which cater to different tastes. There is room for all of them, but for some gamers YMMV.

 

Oh I definitely agree that there are sub genres of course, and I absolutely agree that there is room for all of them.  But whether wrpg or jrpg the three letters that matter the most are rpg.  To refuse to consider Final Fantasy an rpg simply because it does not have character creation just shows ignorance to what an rpg is.  

[ashwind]

Oh I definitely agree that there are sub genres of course, and I absolutely agree that there is room for all of them.  But whether wrpg or jrpg the three letters that matter the most are rpg.  To refuse to consider Final Fantasy an rpg simply because it does not have character creation just shows ignorance to what an rpg is.  

 

Later Ultima should also not be considered as a wcrpg by the strict standards imposed by these people.

 

Ignorance? Neh. Simply disgusting arrogance. These people think that they belong to some authoritative council with exclusive rights to define what RPG is - base on their opinion. If you are not with them, you are clearly wrong.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Or maybe you know, we know what we like and what we feel is an RPG and what we'll buy.  Marketing can call something an RPG and if we disagree, we can call BS and not buy it.

 

You're the ones being arrogant thinking that we have to accept YOUR labels.

[ashwind]

Or maybe you know, we know what we like and what we feel is an RPG and what we'll buy.  Marketing can call something an RPG and if we disagree, we can call BS and not buy it.

 

You're the ones being arrogant thinking that we have to accept YOUR labels.

 

See, the difference between an arrogant purist and me is I dont try to define what RPG is.

 

If I like an aspect of a game - character customization for example, I will say I like it because I like to customize my character instead of lashing out with a holier than thou attitude and say - This is what a wcrpgxxxyughd is suppose to be - it is the definitive definition because we say so.

 

You are ignorant to think that I care about your labels and even more so to think that I think anything about your acceptance of anything.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Then use the Ignore function, like I just did with you.  Easiest way to not have to put up with trollers.

[line_genrou]

Or maybe you know, we know what we like and what we feel is an RPG and what we'll buy.  Marketing can call something an RPG and if we disagree, we can call BS and not buy it.

 

You're the ones being arrogant thinking that we have to accept YOUR labels.

 

Who's we? You're the only person I see being a special snowflake by claiming some RPGs are not RPGs because they don't have your beloved EAware CC.

[Wolven_Soul]

Or maybe you know, we know what we like and what we feel is an RPG and what we'll buy.  Marketing can call something an RPG and if we disagree, we can call BS and not buy it.

 

You're the ones being arrogant thinking that we have to accept YOUR labels.

 

Your the only one that really seems to care about labels in your insistence that certain games not receive the RPG label.  Opinions do not matter as to the definition of something.  And the definition to role playing game has nothing to do with character creation.  If you don't like something that's fine, by all means don't like it and don't buy it, but that does not mean that you get to alter the definition of a thing because of that dislike.  

 

The definition of role playing game is simple, a game where the players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting.  Though when you put it like that then just about every game is a role playing game, lol.  Which, actually, is not really all that far from the truth anymore.  More and more these days more and more genres of video games are incorporating traditional RPG mechanics, often some form of player skill progression.  

[Wolven_Soul]

Then use the Ignore function, like I just did with you.  Easiest way to not have to put up with trollers.

We're the trolls....ohhhh the irony.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Everyone's a troll to someone else. If you weren't so intent on showing your e-peen and having the last word, maybe you would realize it. ... ...BTW- muted and ignored. :-)

[The Ghost]

Are you guys seriously arguing over that? Well let me put the third side for you... you both sides are right and both sides are wrong equally... RPG have always been about taking control over a character (now if this character is already established or create from nothing is your personal preference), once you take control over that character you follow one strict story which is predefined... and in the meantime, while this story is going... you have different choices leading to different outcomes, this is an RPG... exploring, creating character, playing already established character this is just parts of the RPG, while the main part in any RPG, including role-play is following a story... Now can we concentrate over ideas and not stupid arguments? 

[Wolven_Soul]

Everyone's a troll to someone else. If you weren't so intent on showing your e-peen and having the last word, maybe you would realize it. ... ...BTW- muted and ignored. :-)

 

Hello Miss Pot, I would like for you to meet Mr. Kettle.

[Wolven_Soul]

Are you guys seriously arguing over that? Well let me put the third side for you... you both sides are right and both sides are wrong equally... RPG have always been about taking control over a character (now if this character is already established or create from nothing is your personal preference), once you take control over that character you follow one strict story which is predefined... and in the meantime, while this story is going... you have different choices leading to different outcomes, this is an RPG... exploring, creating character, playing already established character this is just parts of the RPG, while the main part in any RPG, including role-play is following a story... Now can we concentrate over ideas and not stupid arguments? 

 

When someone tells me that a game that is clearly an RPG is not an RPG, well...can't help but to call BS on it.  

[duckley]

Is there a universally accepted definition for RPGs? If so could someone point me to that source, This question has come up in a variety of threads and I am curious.

[Realmzmaster]

Is there a universally accepted definition for RPGs? If so could someone point me to that source, This question has come up in a variety of threads and I am curious.

 

There is no universally accepted definition for RPGs. There is a lot of opinion of what an RPG should be.  Also many games are borrowing elements that would be seen as RPG features so the definition becomes even more murky.