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[BLKCandy]

I still could not why Salarians are so scared of Krogan. Sure, they have ridiculously strong infantry, their natural reproduction rate is also extreme, but it's space age already.

You don't go throw infantry at each other; you throw ships. Sure, Krogan soldiers are strong as hell, but they can't survive being spaces.

 

To have more and better ships, you need technology, industry and infrastructure. Krogan does not have any of those.

 

Even if their population explode, allowing them to expand quickly, they will suffer from internal politics and infrastructures; larger population means more mouth to feed and way too much more conflicts. And other race have a lot of head start in term of colonization.

 

In inter-planetary warfare, I think even Volus are a lot stronger than Krogan.

[Dantriges]

it´s a good question. In ME 3 Shepard mentions this "no ships" in an interview with Allers.

 

It probably gets overlooked quite a bit because the emphasis of the game is ground combat.

[Monica21]

 

I still could not why Salarians are so scared of Krogan. Sure, they have ridiculously strong infantry, their natural reproduction rate is also extreme, but it's space age already.

You don't go throw infantry at each other; you throw ships. Sure, Krogan soldiers are strong as hell, but they can't survive being spaces.

 

To have more and better ships, you need technology, industry and infrastructure. Krogan does not have any of those.

 

Even if their population explode, allowing them to expand quickly, they will suffer from internal politics and infrastructures; larger population means more mouth to feed and way too much more conflicts. And other race have a lot of head start in term of colonization.

 

In inter-planetary warfare, I think even Volus are a lot stronger than Krogan.

 

 

A population explosion means they'll be looking for places to live. If they don't have the infrastructure or resources to settle their own, they'll invade and conquer existing colonies. The current generation of Krogan is apparently just a bunch of mercs. They know how to steal stuff. They don't need to know how to build a ship when they can just take them.

 

The Krogan aren't exactly a species that sits around and thinks things through before doing them. They want a cure for the genophage but they haven't thought about what that actually means. I don't think even Wrex thinks too much about what it means for the future of his kind.

 

At least one good reason to fear a massive Krogan population boom is exactly what they don't have, but that they do and will have the forces to take what they want. This is a species who were uplifted specifically for their war-like tendencies and defeated the Rachni. Not having a couple of space ships or any real kind of internal politics or economy isn't going to stop them from spreading across the galaxy.

[BronzTrooper]

The Genophage was created for a reason.  The Krogan were also demilitarized for that same reason.  The reason being the Krogan Rebellions.  No one wants a repeat of the rebellions due to the fact that it is likely that the Krogan would end up doing massive amounts of damage to Council Space as well as Alliance territory.  Hell, the krogan shattered an entire planet during the Krogan Rebellions and the source of the destruction was, supposedly, an extremely powerful krogan biotic (tbf, it's more a theory than anything, but still).  If the Krogan Rebellions started anew, they could potentially be more devastating than the original Rebellions.

 

Plus, as Monica21 said: they'll likely steal everything they can't build for themselves.  It's a product of their warlike nature.  Krogan are willing to steal from each other can kill their women and children despite their crippled reproduction rate.  Imagine how ruthless/reckless they'd be to a galaxy that they blame many of their problems on.  Especially the Salarians and Turians.

 

Granted, this is assuming Wrex isn't in charge and Bakara is not in the picture, but still.

[SpaceLobster]

Granted, this is assuming Wrex isn't in charge and Bakara is not in the picture, but still.

Grunt will just kill Wreav and be a good krogan. When a krogan gets too galaxy-unfriendly he will go trough the same treatment. It's what his battlemaster would have wanted.

[S.W.]

The Krogan Rebellions started getting really nasty when they began to use asteroids as weapons (we find this out in ME3: most details about Menae are classified for this reason). I'd assume if they were able to propel asteroids into planets, the krogan had, at the time, sufficient tech to do this by themselves, including ships. Whilst the krogan were use primarily as ground infantry during the Rachni Wars, because they could withstand the toxic environments on those planets and root out the nests that couldn't be bombed to pieces from the air, the process of uplifting them wasn't simply about war.

 

War was the justification for introducing them to space flight, sure, but I'd like to hope that the salarians are intelligent enough to figure that if you take a pre-space flight species, give them high-tech guns and equipment, and then tell them to go shoot, that you can't realistically then take away all their new toys and drop them back off on their homeworld as if nothing happened would be a) plausible, quite possibly some krogan may slip through the cracks, and achievable without negative repercussions. The process of uplifting meant inviting the krogan to the galactic community: it meant fixing the atmosphere of Tuchunka, it meant giving them many old rachni-infested worlds and a few uninhabited ones, it meant they had ambassadors and diplomats who argued over territory and colonisations rights until war broke out, it meant a complete record of the krogan genome was available for the salarians to develop the genophage off. The council races were initially very grateful to the krogan, then. It'd be reasonable, then, to assume the krogan had began to develop mass-effect tech, and likely had a navy.

 

So the answer to your question is that the krogan were once quite threatening, although they aren't so much by the time of ME1.

 

Although to some extent, I agree with you. If the asari and salarians are as smart, prepared, tech-savvy, and superior as they are made out to be, I have no idea why the krogan got so close to winning in the first place. Krogan have can reproduce quickly but as long as you ensure the fight takes place anywhere else but the ground, numbers shouldn't be so much of a problem? The only reason I can see for the krogan overwhelming the council races is due to being massively underestimated (e.g. assuming a "primitive" race like the krogan couldn't develop their own tech or build new ships quickly), and having their rapid population growth unchecked/ignored until it was too late. Then again, given how much the council are quite happy to ignore the threat of the reapers, that isn't too hard to believe.

[Kurt M.]

Hell, the krogan shattered an entire planet during the Krogan Rebellions and the source of the destruction was, supposedly, an extremely powerful krogan biotic (tbf, it's more a theory than anything, but still)

 

Yeah, I've also heard the Asari farted on a unhabited planet and created the Hanar, no te jode...

 

Don't be absurd.

[Sifr]

Yeah, I've also heard the Asari farted on a unhabited planet and created the Hanar, no te jode...

 

Don't be absurd.

 

Well, theories about biotic god Krogans aside, the Krogan doing something on a planet that lead to it shattering into pieces is canon.

 

After all, the Krogan are from a planet that they nuked so much into the Stone Age, they look at the various radioactive wastelands from the Fallout verse and consider them to be rather homely and prime beachfront property, something they might vacation in away from Tuchanka.

 

This is also the race who when the Salarians uplifted them, made it their first request to be taken to a neighbouring Venus-like planet in their system so they could land on it without any spacesuits, surprising the Salarians when they revealed they were already aware of how utterly hostile that planet was to any kind of life and that was the entire point of wanting to go there.

 

They also regularly build giant seismic hammers to lure Thresher Maws to fight them, as well design weapons capable of inflicting internal damage and helping them escape from the belly of a Thresher Maw, having already anticipated they might get eaten during the battle.

 

Yeah, when it comes to the Krogan, I don't think we can dismiss anything as being too extreme for them to consider doing, especially not designing and building something that could (and possibly did) blow up a planet.

 

[BronzTrooper]

Yeah, I've also heard the Asari farted on a unhabited planet and created the Hanar, no te jode...

 

Don't be absurd.

 

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Rothla

 

"A popular extranet meme put forward by the asari author Delsae Orthysa insists that the turians are covering up the existence of a krogan "super biotic" breed that was genetically engineered within Rothla."

 

I wasn't saying it was my theory, but it is a theory that exists in the MEverse.  Whether or not it's true, I doubt we'll learn for sure.

[Kurt M.]

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Rothla

 

"A popular extranet meme put forward by the asari author Delsae Orthysa insists that the turians are covering up the existence of a krogan "super biotic" breed that was genetically engineered within Rothla."

 

I wasn't saying it was my theory, but it is a theory that exists in the MEverse.  Whether or not it's true, I doubt we'll learn for sure.

 

So, a meme is a theory now?

 

Wait, let me tell you another one:

 

[BronzTrooper]

So, a meme is a theory now?

 

Wait, let me tell you another one:

 

 

Well, we've got hamsters, I can't see why cats won't show up in space sometime soon.  

[RanetheViking]

Of course the Krogan had fleets and high tech space toys of their own after the Rachni War. Overlord Kredak must've had a huge fleet being the big cheez and all. We learn that his flag ship got caught while discharging it's drive core when an Asari Commando suicide squad snuck aboard and destroyed it.

 

We also learn that the Krogan clashed with the Turians above Digeris and placed their ships with the planet directly behind them.

 

My point being, that with the extreme population explosion of the Krogan, you can bet your ass that the Chiefs and Battlemasters used all those extra hands/paws/talons (whatever) to quickly build pretty much whatever they wanted, whether it's weapons, armour or ships.

 

Plus the codex states that after the war they used the good will of the grateful Council races to pretty much claim.annex/borrow.steal whole planets. And even if it's a crappy planet it probably has some resources to use in say, ship building. 

 

Just because the Krogan are portrayed as mindless brutes, doesn't mean they are.

Well not all of them. I'm looking at you Fortack High Lord Researcher.

[KaiserShep]

Just because the Krogan are portrayed as mindless brutes, doesn't mean they are.

Well not all of them. I'm looking at you Fortack High Lord Researcher.

 

As he pulled the dagger out of his predecessor's chest, I knew you were telling the truth.

[Monica21]

They're like mini T-Rexes with shotguns, biotics, Bloodrage, backup organs, fast health regen, and can breed like turtles......  Except turtles have seagulls and such as natural predators to keep the population from exploding.

 

 

They're specifically written to be a problem. It's like Bioware went out of their way to create a bad evolutionary situation. And the only way they manage to solve it is living as if this is Wonderland (which it is) and changing galactic problems with "kindness", "friendship", and "words". There's no actual practical solution to any of this. And the only one that was (the Genophage) was vilified like it was Auschwitz 2.0.

 

The first time I played through (which was seriously last month, so take this with however many grains of salt you deem necessary) I did give the Krogan the cure. I figured it was only fair to let evolution sort everything out. But then I realized, hey. I'm evolved to the point where I can see that this is a Very Serious Problem. As in, if I manage to save the galaxy from the Reapers someone in a later generation will have to save the galaxy from the Krogan. So I decided not to cure the genophage on subsequent playthroughs. Except the ones where I play a deliberately obtuse Shepard.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, I don't mean to knock that choice too much. I've done it too. It's just when I seriously consider everything, I don't think the issue is done much justice.

 

There's something appealing about Evolution sorting things out too.. I like chaos, tbh. But then, the Salarians originally screwed that up by uplifting them in the first place. So the damage has already been done to evolution as it is.

 

Well, even before that. Evolution's basically been the whipping boy of the cosmos. The protheans screwed around with the rachni to make weapons out of them, so they are partly to blame for what came after the salarians explored their relay. 

[Laughing_Man]

A very good thread about a huge problem that Dude!Shep the idiotic paragon didn't seem capable of grasping.

 

Regarding the Krogan not having ships / technology:

We have quite a few examples of Krogan "Mad Scientist" types, and many of them are more intelligent than the way they appear.

 

Krogan designs usually includes heavy armor, sturdy build, and heavy weapons.

I have no problem imagining a fleet of somewhat inferior, yet heavily armed and armored, "homemade" Krogan space vessels.

 

With their explosive birth rate and their sturdy technology and weapons, they have advantages in quantity, and in quality as well when it comes to the sheer brutality in any kind of infantry action.