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[Andromelek]

I've been thinking about the Fade's inhabitants and I have some questions about them:

So far as we know, each spirit it's supposed to turn into a specific kind of demon when its purpose is twisted.

Wisdom-Pride
Purpose-Desire
Survival-Hunger

But, a Spirit can actually turn into more than one kind of demon, or a demon can born from more than one kind of spirit? As I remember, it was stated that Rage demons came from Valor spirits, but the counterpart for Valor would be Fear, same for Compassion, Cole fears ending up turned into a Despair demon, however Despair is contrary to Hope rather than Compassion, Compassion's counterpart should be something like cruelty I guess.

The second doubt I have is regarding their terrenal form; we always see the same demons (Pride, Desire and Rage) now we also have seen Despair, Envy and Fear, yet we have encountered other demons such like Sloth and Hunger, but they either have been seen on the Fade assuming the form of something else or are possessing beings like the Rock Wraiths, so, which are the true forms of these demons, should we take as canon their models on "Heroes of Dragon Age"?
Another thing, if they are supposed to have their monstrous form on the real world unless they possessed something, how the hell Imshael was able turn into other demons? I know it's a Forbidden One, but he was supposed to be a Desire demon and none of its comrades did something similar to change their form.

[Master Warder Z_]

1. That's debatable conjecture given there has never been a "reversal" of that supposed phenomenon (Aka a Rage demon finding its former purpose or what have you and resuming what it supposedly was prior). Hence I'd argue there is no predefined corruption route per demon to take and etc.

Basically I'd say its more situational and to do with the demon to be's level of strength.

2. I do until I see otherwise.

3. Forbidden ones already broke this mold in their first appearance via Gaxkang who shifted from Revenant to Arcane Horror.

[Caddius]

I think Warder's got the right of it.

I imagine Cole fears becoming a Despair demon because a Compassion spirit whose attempts to help repeatedly fail would certainly feel despair. Wisdom spirits that fall would usually have it happen because of becoming prideful. (I'm not sure why Solas's friend Wisdom became a Pride Demon. Perhaps if spirits are made to act against their nature by an outside force, then they actually do turn into their mirror?)

Wasn't there some Codex entry about how all demons' 'true' form is the Shade? Just an blob of shadow and cloth and annoying DPS. As they get more powerful, they start assuming forms taken from a selection of dreams. Even Desire Demons seem to adjust their form for their audience.

I think there's a reason Imshael was so insistent that he was a, 'Choice spirit' rather than a 'Desire Demon'. A bit quicker with the shapeshifting than most. 

[Master Warder Z_]

No you die demon.

Choice! Spirit!

Bahahaha

[andy6915]

I'm pretty sure Compassion can also become Nightmare. That's what it sounds like Nightmare started off like, exactly like Cole. But for some reason, it was corrupted into a demon that still had its power of taking memories and used those powers to make everything worse. It started off merely taking bad memories like Cole to help, but eventually it started taking them simply because it liked too. Maybe the first blight's terror was what corrupted it, it couldn't keep up with the fear of the whole becoming  terrified for centuries on end and eventually just... Broke.

 

Yes, I did just say that Cole could become a Nightmare demon. It would take crazy circumstances to do so though. It's possible that it's what he was becoming at the Spire. And it probably can't happen at all on the human path for him. Let's just be glad Compassion is rare, because Nightmare demons could become rather common if they weren't. Kinda weird that such a friendly spirit can turn into a demon as bad or worse than a Greater Pride Demon.

[Sifr]

Wasn't there some Codex entry about how all demons' 'true' form is the Shade? Just an blob of shadow and cloth and annoying DPS. As they get more powerful, they start assuming forms taken from a selection of dreams. Even Desire Demons seem to adjust their form for their audience.

 

I suspect that rather than being their "true" form, it probably takes a considerable amount of power to cross the Veil, so shades are probably the most basic form some Demons can manifest as first (like how certain Spirits appear as Wraiths), taking more complex shapes after recovering their power.

 

However, places where the Veil is weaker or torn entirely (such as Fade Tears) allow spirits and demons to cross over more easily, so they can manifest immediately in the form they self-identify as.

 

Although, that's just me wildly speculating.

[Sunnie]

1. That's debatable conjecture given there has never been a "reversal" of that supposed phenomenon (Aka a Rage demon finding its former purpose or what have you and resuming what it supposedly was prior). Hence I'd argue there is no predefined corruption route per demon to take and etc.
 

Actually, in Solas personal quest, you can break the binding that turned his spirit friend into a demon, and it reverts back to its spirit form, dieing, but it reverts.

[Eliastion]

One more thing. No, wait, two:

 

1. The fact that a demon is something opposite of what a spirit represents doesn't mean that that spirit will turn into that demon. I'd say that it's extremely unlikely - when spirit gets corrupted, it doesn't do a 180 degree turn, it gets corrupted. Vengeance isn't the opposite of Justice - it's very closely related in many aspects. Similarly Purpose reportedly very easily slips into Desire, but that's exactly because these two ideas are very close.

2. The very classification of spirits is simplified. It's a lot like classifying emotions. Every spirit, malevolent or not, is probably quite unique. Some are considered similar and so are grouped together based on what is believed to be their nature. And sometimes the classification is found out to be too broad or just faulty - like fear demons getting bundled with Sloth. So, the fact that there are two spirits that are, say, both Faiths, it doesn't mean that they are prone to the same kind of corruption. Add to that different circumstances and, who knows... Basically, while DG stated that Faith would turn into Pride (which means that different spirits can become one typo of demon since that's also typical for Wisdom), I guess I could see it becoming something we would qualify as Fear or Envy, depending on exact properties of original spirit and on circumstances leading to corruption.