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[TheOgre]

Some things

 

Oh and..

 

[Ashaantha]

Wait a moment, since when is the re-playability of a game not subjective?

[TheOgre]

Not having to play as a straight, white guy.

 

That can be considered racist.

 

But anti white mentality is okay I guess isn't it?

[Queen Skadi]

The start for all the 8 vs 11 thing was explicitly "romance options" as something DAI does better, then you chose answer that with number of ladies you can sleep with. However, I am sorry, whoreing does not equate with romance unless you suffer from a personality disorder. Even one night stands does not equate with romance in my mind either. It is nice when you're not invoved and at least in that case you don't have to stoop so low as to have no other option than to pay for sex.

 

So in reality it is more like 8 vs 2.

 

Oh come now, all the "romances" in Inquisition really come down to is getting that sex scene in the end, if you start adding quantifiers that start excluding certain options for arbitrary reasons then I am sure you can skew the numbers in whatever direction you like, for instance I could add the quantifier "no dudes allowed" and skew the numbers even further in the Witcher 3's favor to 11 vs 3, but I would not do such a disingenuous thing because I am an honest person and have no wish to misrepresent either game as all I care about is viewing each game on their merits.

 

While it is true that most of the Inquisition "romances" have more depth than most of the prostitute courting rituals I am really having a hard time saying that Inquisition does "romance" better as I found the "romances" to be really cringeworthy and lame, I much prefer even the casual romantic encounters with side characters like Keira Metz than the awkward and cringeworthy husbando/waifu experience offered by Inquisition romances, sure the road to getting to getting to the sex scene might be much shorter in the Witcher 3 but I don't think it has any less depth.

[Queen Skadi]

Wait a moment, since when is the re-playability of a game not subjective?

 

Well there are things like branching plot paths and unlockable content that encourage replays in certain games but you are right, whether or not somebody chooses to replay a game depends mostly on their enjoyment of it, which is why 1 playthrough (which after skipping most of the fetch quests only came up to 25 hours) is all Inquisition will ever get from me.

[correctamundo]

Oh come now, all the "romances" in Inquisition really come down to is getting that sex scene in the end,

 

In your mind I don't doubt it at all. To me, definitely not.

[TheOgre]

In your mind I don't doubt it at all. To me, definitely not.

is it really that different? The only difference I can see is you get one card or two or maybe three if your character is bold and likes to dump the other characters.

 

TW1, you -can- sleep with practically anything and still have your main 'romance'. There is an obvious number variation between the two though.

[TheOgre]

Attracting fans that don't feel the need to prove their toy is so much better than the other's toy?

See below for W3 thread

http://forum.bioware...-the-witcher-3/

 

You can clearly see in that thread that one has that syndrome far more than the other posters. 

 

for as many pages that thread has, he's still persisting his toy is the best toy.

 

You have other people doing that for TW3 though, doesn't mean that DAI fanbase is innocent of that syndrome.

[correctamundo]

is it really that different? The only difference I can see is you get one card or two or maybe three if your character is bold and likes to dump the other characters.

 

TW1, you -can- sleep with practically anything and still have your main 'romance'. There is an obvious number variation between the two though.

 

Well, to me there is a grand canyon of difference between whoreing and romancing Josephine. I don't know of what cards you are referring to however.

[Queen Skadi]

The only thing I said remotely close to the picture you're attempting to paint of my viewpoint is that I think DA:I gives you more flexibility to create your own narrative than the majority of the games on the market.

 

You have come full circle son, we already went over this, yes Inquisition gives the player more freedom to define the narrative than most games on the market but that is only because most games on the market are like Bejeweled and Call of Duty where allowing the player to define the narrative is not something they attempt to do, however among games that do Inquisition is completely outclassed.

 

Seriously this is how the conversation goes from here, you claim that you were talking about games in a comparable field, I point out examples of games that thrash Inquisition in the narrative and character defining department, you say those games don't count because you have not played them and refuse to play them, I say your ignorance does not all of a sudden make Inquisition perform any better in this area, then you say that doesn't matter because Inquisition is still better than the majority of games on the market, rinse repeat and go around again for another cycle, lets just end it here shall we?

 

 

Nah, I'm pretty sure they didn't do it as a joke... If I remember correctly, you find out the person she loaned the pan to was a spy or something., so it most likely made for you to discover a "startling revelation". But you DID bash DA specifically for the quest where you find someone's lost goat(don't you do the EXACT same thing in Witcher 3 with the Pellar's goat???). In DA, the quest was obviously written as a non-serious side quest, since it's some psychedelically colored, demon-possessed goat that the gives the owner monetary advice. Of course you would write this off as a stupid waste of time in DA, but consider the an equivalent example in the Witcher 3 to be developers "making fun of lame quests in other games"... Both of these games are similar in terms of substance in their side quests, it's just that the Witcher 3 nails the presentation of the quests, giving them in increased sense of importance.

 

The pellar's goat was just a small portion of a far larger quest, now you might be able to argue that the pellar's goat section was unnecessary and I might be inclined to agree with you but the difference between the pellar's goat and lord woolsley is that the pellar's goat was just a small part of a far larger storyline while clicking on a goat in a field was all that quest entailed.

 

And while I am sure the Lord Woolsley quest was supposed to be humorous (not that it succeeded in this endeavor) I am pretty sure the lame conditions of the quest were not part of the joke as if it was then it was a joke that was overused throughout the Hinterlands let alone the entire game to the point that it far outstayed it's welcome.

 

Really? Pretty sure your actions contradict that statement. 

 

I said that I would rather not but sometimes bringing up examples of how the Witcher 3 does things better is unavoidable when digging up the truth. 

[TheOgre]

Well, to me there is a grand canyon of difference between whoreing and romancing Josephine. I don't know of what cards you are referring to however.

 

You still have that "Awww.." moment, like any 'romance'. Actually I'd say it's unfair to compare between DAI and TW3 because your character doesn't have the 'history'. They just meet at the start of the game and are getting to know each other.

 

What DAI and TW3 shares is that you have a series of time to win over your interest. 

 

They also share that you can ****** yourself to Josephine and Cassandra just like you can with Triss and Yenn. The difference is that you can have a fling with side characters that go no where and have no impact on your primary interest. 

 

You don't have to ****** yourself out with the flings on the side.

[correctamundo]

You still have that "Awww.." moment, like any 'romance'. Actually I'd say it's unfair to compare between DAI and TW3 because your character doesn't have the 'history'. They just meet at the start of the game and are getting to know each other.

 

What DAI and TW3 shares is that you have a series of time to win over your interest. 

 

They also share that you can ****** yourself to Josephine and Cassandra just like you can with Triss and Yenn. The difference is that you can have a fling with side characters that go no where and have no impact on your primary interest. 

 

You don't have to ****** yourself out with the flings on the side.

 

I am not sure we are discussing the same thing here. I am not playing down the Triss or Yenn romances. Neither am I playing up the shorter flings like with Keira. They are ok, fun and some questing involved. But I don't get any "aaww" moments from whoreing in a brothel. That has nothing to do with romance. And that is why there never have been any 11 vs 8. And then  we got the Harding flirt.

[TheOgre]

I am not sure we are discussing the same thing here. I am not playing down the Triss or Yenn romances. Neither am I playing up the shorter flings like with Keira. They are ok, fun and some questing involved. But I don't get any "aaww" moments from whoreing in a brothel. That has nothing to do with romance. And that is why there never have been any 11 vs 8. And then  we got the Harding flirt.

 

WHERE in my post does it suggest that there was an Awwww moment from the fling options?

 

I hope you aren't purposely misreading my post to make a point.

[correctamundo]

WHERE in my post does it suggest that there was an Awwww moment from the fling options?

 

I hope you aren't purposely misreading my post to make a point.

 

Not purposely at all. But you did quote a reference that was partly about whoreing so I was a bit bewildered. Sorry.

[Ashaantha]

Well there are things like branching plot paths and unlockable content that encourage replays in certain games but you are right, whether or not somebody chooses to replay a game depends mostly on their enjoyment of it, which is why 1 playthrough (which after skipping most of the fetch quests only came up to 25 hours) is all Inquisition will ever get from me.

 

Yep, all in the enjoyment or lack there-of. And that's quite alright, not that you need me to say that either, everyone likes and dislikes different things and shouldn't be judged by it

[TheOgre]

You can cheat in DAI just like you can in TW3

 

the difference still is that in TW3 you can cheat with options that aren't primary 'options'.

 

 

Yep, all in the enjoyment or lack there-of. And that's quite alright, not that you need me to say that either, everyone likes and dislikes different things and shouldn't be judged by it 

 

 

I actually enjoy DA again with cheat engine and it's MP feature. I hang out with friends whenever I play and we use voice chat. I can't do that in TW3.

 

I like party based combat too.. 

 

Just like I like TW3's storyline and gameplay mechanics. Two different games, with good things in each game.

[Ashaantha]

I actually enjoy DA again with cheat engine and it's MP feature. I hang out with friends whenever I play and we use voice chat. I can't do that in TW3.

 

I like party based combat too.. 

 

Just like I like TW3's storyline and gameplay mechanics. Two different games, with good things in each game.

 

I played DA:I for almost 5 months straight (campaign only, barely touched mp for more then an hour total due to connection issues+region lock making quick matches stick me in empty lobbies). I then took a break around the time TW3 was released, which I purchased but I just couldn't get into. I believe that may be because I have it on console, when I'm a computer preferred gamer, and I need to be in the mood to play specific games. Also possibly because of all the poison and hate being thrown between extremist DAI fans and extremist TW3 fans on these forums alone during that time frame when I was trying to play TW3.

It looked great, played great, was interesting but not quite enough for me to enjoy at the time, will definitely try again though (it cost me a pretty penny, not wasting it haha), I didn't get far, maybe 3 hours play-time.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like how there's passionate fans in either TW3 or DAI camps, and also the passionate people with a foot in both camps (enjoy both games fine) it's the hostility towards each other that bugs me.

[HereticDante]

OP doesn't really seem to be differentiate between the subjective and objective.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

That can be considered racist.

 

But anti white mentality is okay I guess isn't it?

 

Weak.

 

By that logic anyone who romances Cassandra is a homophobe.

[TheOgre]

Weak.

 

By that logic anyone who romances Cassandra is a homophobe.

You used white as a qualifier, that isn't a wrong assumption to make.

[TheOgre]

I played DA:I for almost 5 months straight (campaign only, barely touched mp for more then an hour total due to connection issues+region lock making quick matches stick me in empty lobbies). I then took a break around the time TW3 was released, which I purchased but I just couldn't get into. I believe that may be because I have it on console, when I'm a computer preferred gamer, and I need to be in the mood to play specific games. Also possibly because of all the poison and hate being thrown between extremist DAI fans and extremist TW3 fans on these forums alone during that time frame when I was trying to play TW3.

It looked great, played great, was interesting but not quite enough for me to enjoy at the time, will definitely try again though (it cost me a pretty penny, not wasting it haha), I didn't get far, maybe 3 hours play-time.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like how there's passionate fans in either TW3 or DAI camps, and also the passionate people with a foot in both camps (enjoy both games fine) it's the hostility towards each other that bugs me.

 

There is obvious hostiles in the TW3 fanbase on the forums, and there are the extreme few that will swear up and done that Bioware can't do anything right or EAWare. I can understand how frustrating it is for someone who genuinely likes both games, or DAI, to read their comments.

 

I'm just saying it happens for both sides, and it's really annoying to see even more TW3/DAI comparison threads pop up. There are so many up right now.

[Lebanese Dude]

 

It looked great, played great, was interesting but not quite enough for me to enjoy at the time, will definitely try again though (it cost me a pretty penny, not wasting it haha), I didn't get far, maybe 3 hours play-time.

 

It's worth playing at least once. Not much replay value but the one playthrough is good enough.

[AllThatJazz]

That can be considered racist.

 

But anti white mentality is okay I guess isn't it?

For me, it's more that in 20 years of gaming, I've had to play as a straight white guy tons and tons of times, especially outside of CRPGs but also within the genre. It is's less often that I've had the opportunity to play as a female character, and much much less often that I've been able to play as a person of colour or LGB. There is nothing wrong in being able to play as a straight white bloke (I'm rather partial to them actually, in real life I'm even married to one ) but damn, it's good to be able to choose to play something else, and that's something I really appreciate about DAI, DA in general and BioWare more generally still. It's also nice when there's content that recognises that choice - which for women and LGB folks there is, in the form of the gender/sexuality specific romances. 

 

Oh come now, all the "romances" in Inquisition really come down to is getting that sex scene in the end, if you start adding quantifiers that start excluding certain options for arbitrary reasons then I am sure you can skew the numbers in whatever direction you like, for instance I could add the quantifier "no dudes allowed" and skew the numbers even further in the Witcher 3's favor to 11 vs 3, but I would not do such a disingenuous thing because I am an honest person and have no wish to misrepresent either game as all I care about is viewing each game on their merits.

 

While it is true that most of the Inquisition "romances" have more depth than most of the prostitute courting rituals I am really having a hard time saying that Inquisition does "romance" better as I found the "romances" to be really cringeworthy and lame, I much prefer even the casual romantic encounters with side characters like Keira Metz than the awkward and cringeworthy husbando/waifu experience offered by Inquisition romances, sure the road to getting to getting to the sex scene might be much shorter in the Witcher 3 but I don't think it has any less depth.

Eh, not really. The romance I enjoy most is the Solas one (neither lame nor cringeworthy in my view) and that one definitely doesn't end in a sex scene (there isn't a sex scene at alll, in fact), nor in a husbando scenario. The Triss/Yennefer romances are far more 'waifu' in comparison.

 

I kind of think that 'quantity' is being conflated with 'value' here. For me, regardless of numbers, the DAI romances have more value because they cater more to my tastes (yes, including the fact that there are romanceable males as well as females). Obviously if you prefer Triss/Yen/Keira and/or wouldn't romance a guy anyway then TW3 ladies will be more valuable to you. The 8 v 11 argument doesn't work because it doesn't take value, an inherently subjective quality, into account.  Which is better, 11 apples or 8 oranges? Depends on how much I like apples ...

[TheOgre]

@AllThatJazz being able to choose is very nice, i'd prefer a Hawke style prototype character for all races, Dwarves, Elves and Qunari with their own Prologue and their name with characters from their origin story that interact with them down the road.

[AllThatJazz]

@AllThatJazz being able to choose is very nice, i'd prefer a Hawke style prototype character for all races, Dwarves, Elves and Qunari with their own Prologue and their name with characters from their origin story that interact with them down the road.

Yes, that does sound fun. As much as I loved the Origins in DAO, I found the lack of reactivity throughout the storyline a little disappointing. In this regard I am enjoying The Old Republic a surprising amount. I don't like MMOs, but I was gifted some gametime by my nephew so thought I'd give it a whirl - and I've been impressed by the class stories, how much class recognition  there is in more general quests, and even how much race recognition there is in some scenes (I'm playing a Chiss Imperial Agent - amongst others - and I was really gratified to find some responsive dialogue about a non-human/Sith working for a supremacist Empire) .