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[Gaesesagai]

I know this is the Dragon Age forums so some responses may be a little biased but I guess the series needs everything it has got going in it's favor to find what the games do well.

 

Oh the irony.

 

Now the Witcher does seem interesting, and I did try the second one. I found it to be more focused on combat and less on the role playing aspects and almost no story or character developement (it just seemed to me to have a simple story, which you can know from the start, especially if you like spoilers and that's it - however I can't really argue that since I never bothered getting to the end of the game, so maybe I'm wrong, and Withcer has the richest most amazing story ever written in a game). But that's not the issue. When I was younger, I might have played this, but now... no thanks. Being given a premade character is not a big problem, most games do that. Being given a dimwitted str8 male teenager's wet dream character, fitted in so many lame stereotypes and social preconceptions that I'm having a hard time believing what I'm seeing, is not my cup of tea.

 

For the time being I'm happy with just playing Bioware's games and a few mmorpgs. The fact that I can play a gay character is a huge aspect for me, I won't donwplay that, but regardless, Bioware is, in my not so humble opinion, one of the best game developers in terms of story and characters.

Fallout 4 seems to have "romance" available as well, so I'm curious how they will deal with that.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm sure EA, as a corporation, has sleazed it's way out of paying billions of taxes over the years. Corporate welfare is alive and well all over the world.

It is not sleazy to take advantage of a complex ruleset.

[duckley]

Oh the irony.

 

Now the Witcher does seem interesting, and I did try the second one. I found it to be more focused on combat and less on the role playing aspects and almost no story or character developement (it just seemed to me to have a simple story, which you can know from the start, especially if you like spoilers and that's it - however I can't really argue that since I never bothered getting to the end of the game, so maybe I'm wrong, and Withcer has the richest most amazing story ever written in a game). But that's not the issue. When I was younger, I might have played this, but now... no thanks. Being given a premade character is not a big problem, most games do that. Being given a dimwitted str8 male teenager's wet dream character, fitted in so many lame stereotypes and social preconceptions that I'm having a hard time believing what I'm seeing, is not my cup of tea.

 

For the time being I'm happy with just playing Bioware's games and a few mmorpgs. The fact that I can play a gay character is a huge aspect for me, I won't donwplay that, but regardless, Bioware is, in my not so humble opinion, one of the best game developers in terms of story and characters.

Fallout 4 seems to have "romance" available as well, so I'm curious how they will deal with that.

 

 

 

As an older woman (probably married longer than most have been alive on this board)  while I agree the scantily attired woman are kind of silly in the game, the main story is terrific, many of the side quests interesting and detailed, but most importantly - Geralts character development over the course of the three games is outstanding. Honestly I love Bioware - but I have to admit DA:I is not as strong as this game IMO - in detail, soul and depth - story and character is superior in this case.

The first two Witcher games were good games - but not as good as DA:O or DA2 - but this third Witcher game  is super terrific.

 

If you have some time on your hands at some point in the future, and can get past the silly sleaze wear (I ignore it like the Quizzy PJs or Hawkes stupid Hefner Smoking Jacket) you may be surprized. I have to say though - the most pleasure I have gotten from the game is Geralt's story - which may not be as impactful if you haven't played the firs two games....

[nici2412]

As someone who has played both games for 100+ hours I would say.... no, at least nothing major.

Witcher 3 is far suprior in terms of writing, questdesign, story, music, characters, combat, atmopshere, living world, choices&consequences

 

I prefer the itemization and the interaction with characters in DA I though.

[Xetykins]

str8 male .

I think this is really your problem.

Ofc there's nothing wrong with that :-)

[Lebanese Dude]

Hawkes stupid Hefner Smoking Jacket

 

I thought it looked snazzy <.<
 

 

Geralts character development over the course of the three games is outstanding.

 

 

This here is an important note. Honestly I think The Witcher is more comparable to Mass Effect than Dragon Age in terms of almost everything.

 

If someone played The Witcher 3 without playing the previous two games, they'll have a different experience than someone who's played all three. The story, character development, relationships, choices, etc... would feel different.

 

Can you really say that about Dragon Age, a game with different protagonists, companions, and relatively unrelated settings?

 

I know I don't, and I'll continue to find comparisons to Dragon Age ridiculous. Dragon Age is closer to The Sims than The Witcher and that's saying something.

[duckley]

I thought it looked snazzy <.<
 

 

 

 

This here is an important note. Honestly I think The Witcher is more comparable to Mass Effect than Dragon Age in terms of almost everything.

 

If someone played The Witcher 3 without playing the previous two games, they'll have a different experience than someone who's played all three. The story, character development, relationships, choices, etc... would feel different.

 

Can you really say that about Dragon Age, a game with different protagonists, companions, and relatively unrelated settings?

 

I know I don't, and I'll continue to find comparisons to Dragon Age ridiculous. Dragon Age is closer to The Sims than The Witcher and that's saying something.

I wonder about that too - if you haven't played the first two games, not sure how much you will appreciate the subtly magnificent Geralt .... 

As far as the smoking jacket goes .... I still say 

[Wolven_Soul]

Party based combat, combat that can be played from tactical camera, a design ethos more centred on interacting with a close group of companions; you know, all the things that differentiate DAI from Witcher 3.

Plus all those subjective things that vary from person to person.

Basically all those things that DAI does that The Witcher 3 doesn't plus everything else that falls under personal preference.

 

Okay you can't say that DA:I does a thing better that TW3 doesn't even have.  If you prefer party based combat, which I'm sorry, DA:I doesn't do very well simply because they took out the tactics, over one player combat, that's fine.  But none of the things you seem to think DA:I did better are in TW3.  To say that DA:I did those things better is just silly.

[Lebanese Dude]

Okay you can't say that DA:I does a thing better that TW3 doesn't even have.  If you prefer party based combat, which I'm sorry, DA:I doesn't do very well simply because they took out the tactics, over one player combat, that's fine.  But none of the things you seem to think DA:I did better are in TW3.  To say that DA:I did those things better is just silly.

 

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This comment probably sums up how ridiculous this entire comparison is, given that the major focus of most BioWare games are the malleable protagonists and their companions.... the party...

 

For Christ's sake just look at Mass Effect 2. The entire game is about earning the companion's trust and loyalty.

Most of the quests in Dragon Age 2 Act 2 and 3 were strictly about the companions.

 

DAI did many things better than TW3 because... *gasp*... TW3 didn't have or focus them at all!
 

Similarly, TW3 did things better than DAI because ... *gasp* ... DAI didn't have or focus on them at all.

 

Feel free to compare the basic RPG elements that the two share, like combat style or experience gain. That's fair game. But claiming one game is better than the other when they differ in almost every other way in terms of priority, purpose, and approach is frankly preposterous.

 

Summary of what this thread looks like:

 

Mario Kart vs Smash Brothers!!!!

 

Two multiplayer competitive games with the same cast of characters, power-ups to aid players, single player "story" career, and stylized terrain.

 

A: Mario Kart is better than Smash Brothers because you can drive!

B: But Smash Brothers has better powerups!!

C: No man ... Peach looks sexier in Mario Kart...dat ass

D: Obviously, the terrain in Smash Brothers is always fun. The only good map in Mario Kart is the Rainbow Road cause of pretty colors.

E: Whatevs fk u I think Mario Kart is better shutup

[Jazpar]

Why this obsession with comparing the games? yada yada witcher is better yada yada wine wine you should think so too. I haven't even had interest in playing witcher. This is only stupid, like mmo always talking about a damn wow-killer. Stop with the stupid things, play your game and write about it in the right forum. Not wining in the wrong forum about that the other is better.

[Wolven_Soul]

Let's see.  Things DA:I does better than TW3.  There are some.  Not many, but some.  I think the lore in Inquisition is deeper and richer than that of The Witcher.  Though The Witcher is not far behind.  

 

The environments in DA:I are more varied, there is that.  Dialogue...hmmm...they are both fantastic in this regard but...maybe...just maybe I would give the edge to DA:I here.  A slight edge.  

 

Skill progression I think I would give to DA:I.  I would have liked to see more varied abilities from Geralt in his latest outing.  Give him some sword combos or ways to combine signs with his attacks.  Don't get me wrong, I love TW3's combat, I just would have liked to see a little something more.  

 

Umm, that's about all I can think of for now.

[chimpdaddy121]

For me, i love both games, depends on the mood i'm in,

 

to compare both though its the writing that does it for me.

 

they are both good, but say making analogies, The witcher = Game of Thrones, DAI and all Bioware writing to be fair = Dawsons creek teenage melodrama.

 

as i say i like both depending how i feel. 

[FKA_Servo]

DAI characters emote better. Hands down. I've played 41 hours of The Witcher 3 in the past week and a half AND I fired up DAI yesterday in prep for The Descent, so believe me, this is fresh on my mind.

 

Geralt's expressions are generally excellent (and I really mean that, but they're very subtle and not particularly expansive so far - his face communicates well how generally over it he is with regard to everything. But I've also only just hit Novigrad). But everyone else, as a rule, look like video game characters. Nicely modeled, and terrific hair, but still definitely, definitely video game characters. With very few exceptions.

 

Versus Dragon Age - ok. They all have Bioware samebody and awful, awful hair. But they nailed facial expressions and emoting this time like they never have before. A couple examples off the top of my head (because these have stuck with me for months):

 

Cassandra generally, but especially during her fight with Varric when she's questioning everything that's happened to her and all her choices. There's a close up and she's conflicted and vulnerable looking, but then she lowers her eyes, and then comes back up with this insane, determined, resolute expression. It looked amazing.

 

Dorian's romance arc - the Inquisitor's face at various times when you're getting back the amulet. That raised eyebrow.

 

Varric, at Adamant and in the aftermath at Skyhold, should you sacrifice Hawke. Man.

 

Granted, I've spent the majority of my time so far with TW3 (and I'm really enjoying it - pleased to be proven wrong about my overall initial impression of the series) not hanging out with any important characters, because I've been running around the world. I haven't seen any main story stuff past "Family Matters." But so far, in this regard, it's a distant second to DAI.

 

It's a hell of a world to run around in, though.

[Kabraxal]

The CDPR fanatics are sure trying their best to make me hate a good game... So tired of the attitude.

Guess what: plenty of people think DA does most things better than TW, especially the first two mediocre games. Character, interaction, lore, combat, levelling, and even the story are all better in DA to me. Even if TW3 finally raises the franchise out of mediocrity.

[FKA_Servo]

Fanboy tribalism is the best way to get reasonable people hating anything because it's so goddamn tiresome.

 

The Dragon Age/Witcher fights are the most obnoxious thing on this forum, and they have been since TW2, as I recall. To date, I still think anyone who says they genuinely liked TW1 is pulling my leg.

[Nefla]

The CDPR fanatics are sure trying their best to make me hate a good game... So tired of the attitude.

Guess what: plenty of people think DA does most things better than TW, especially the first two mediocre games. Character, interaction, lore, combat, levelling, and even the story are all better in DA to me. Even if TW3 finally raises the franchise out of mediocrity.

I doubt anyone wants you to hate DA:I if you like it. Or do you mean you hate TW3 because the people who like it give you a bad impression?

[berelinde]

I'm a bit baffled by the endless comparison, honestly. It's like having dinner at a friend's house and remarking how a different friend - who isn't even there - cooks every dish better. Well, yeah, the hosts are probably going to be polite and agree that the absent friend is an amazing cook because that's what people do when the conversation gets awkward, but it's still boorish behavior on the guests' part.

[FKA_Servo]

I'm a bit baffled by the endless comparison, honestly. It's like having dinner at a friend's house and remarking how a different friend - who isn't even there - cooks every dish better. Well, yeah, the hosts are probably going to be polite and agree that the absent friend is an amazing cook because that's what people do when the conversation gets awkward, but it's still boorish behavior on the guests' part.

 

Gamers are a boorish lot in general. I know I spend plenty of my time here lecturing Bioware friend on all the ways their cooking could be improved.

 

Ostensibly constructive criticism aimed at Bioware games on the Bioware forum is not the same as the fan fights, though. Some Witcher fans are insane. And some of those insane ones are insane in particularly unsavory ways. (Pre-emptive "not all witcher fans.," because obviously.)

 

Lots of Bioware fans are insane, too. They're at least as bad. I don't know if they're as annoying over on the CDPR forums, because I only have the constitutional fortitude for one gaming forum at a time.

[Dread-Reaper]

Fanboy tribalism is the best way to get reasonable people hating anything because it's so goddamn tiresome.

 

The Dragon Age/Witcher fights are the most obnoxious thing on this forum, and they have been since TW2, as I recall. To date, I still think anyone who says they genuinely liked TW1 is pulling my leg.

I loved my 70hrs with the game, sue me.

[berelinde]

Gamers are a boorish lot in general. I know I spend plenty of my time here lecturing Bioware friend on all the ways their cooking could be improved.

 

There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, especially when it's solicited. Besides, there's a world of difference between "This apple pie is quite good. Have you considered adding raisins to it?" and "Ellen makes her apple pie with raisins. Now THAT is how you do pie!"

[Nefla]

I'm a bit baffled by the endless comparison, honestly. It's like having dinner at a friend's house and remarking how a different friend - who isn't even there - cooks every dish better. Well, yeah, the hosts are probably going to be polite and agree that the absent friend is an amazing cook because that's what people do when the conversation gets awkward, but it's still boorish behavior on the guests' part.

Less like comparing two friends IMO and more like comparing an ex lover you are bitter toward to your new lover.

[Jazpar]

There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, especially when it's solicited. Besides, there's a world of difference between "This apple pie is quite good. Have you considered adding raisins to it?" and "Ellen makes her apple pie with raisins. Now THAT is how you do pie!"

 

But this endless banter is more like "Thats a good apple pie but why cant it be like blueberry pie instead". 

[Yaroub]

I'm a bit baffled by the endless comparison, honestly. It's like having dinner at a friend's house and remarking how a different friend - who isn't even there - cooks every dish better. Well, yeah, the hosts are probably going to be polite and agree that the absent friend is an amazing cook because that's what people do when the conversation gets awkward, but it's still boorish behavior on the guests' part.

 

Aye, except we're customers, and thus if BW dinner is shite we're privileged to tell them just that.

 

I am loyal to BW and paid about the same amount of money like anyone here, but i wont go loco even on old gen users to brand myself BW knight in shining armor.

 

Radical fans on both sides should look at themselves and adjust their behavior.

[berelinde]

If you go to a restaurant and you don't like the food, most people just leave a bad review on Yelp and move on. They don't hang out by the hostess station harassing everyone who walks through the door.

[rapscallioness]

Okay let's see:

 

What I loved about TW3 on my first pt was the sense of mystery (and i came in not knowing anything about the series, or books). For me, it was a "page turner". Who is this Wild Hunt? What are they up to? And are they behind me right now?!? lol. In addition, the quests that supported the main story had a sense of mystery. The official sidequests usually had intrigue, and things going on that you don't figure out until later.

 

Overall, there was always this unsettling feeling I had. Especially if I was in an area for awhile I'd notice it becoming more stormy, seemed like..flurries sometimes. Then Geralt would say, "The wind is howling." Me: "Oh, God, I need to get going." From what I understood, these were signs that the Wild Hunt was getting closer. I always had the feeling they could ride up on me any second!

 

The music also played a huge role in giving me that creepy feeling. There's an area you're in that has this music...I mean, it really drives home the point of things ain't right here. Idk what it is, but I know things are off. The music was great, and used very well to add to the atmosphere and even the story itself.

 

On the other hand, now that I've already finished it once, I'm finding replay more difficult because I already know what's gonna happen. The momentum and page turn-y-ness is not there for me anymore. 

 

BW games in general I think have great replay ability. Mainly because of the smaller things. Like party banter. I replayed MoTA several times just to hear the different party combo banters. Also CC adds alot of replay value for me. And romances. TW3 I romanced Triss first, but this time I'm trying to romance Yen. This is one of the things that is helping me replay the TW3 just for diff angle and content. In BW games there's several ways to go about a romance arc, and several characters to romance.

 

The companions; romance; banter; CC; personality options, these all add to a great replay value for BW games versus TW3. So, I  think DAI, and BW games in general, are better at replay ability.

 

I would love to see BW have more intrigue and mystery-and an overall feeling of unsettling, when appropriate- while keeping the other features mentioned for replay.

 

*I also think DAI had better graphics, although TW3 did more amazing things with their graphics, like day/night cycle. I would love to see the splendor of a gradually setting sun in the FB3 engine. Or dynamic weather in this engine.

 

TW3 did rain very very well. And the npc's always remarked on it, too. That detail is small, but adds alot to the feeling of..well, immersion. The npc's in TW3 would go for cover when it started raining. Or remark on how much rain there's been lately, etc.