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[Sylvius the Mad]

In that case, you're probably better off skipping any and all Bioware games and the witcher.

My point is that the Aveline romance was being judged on completely irrelevant criteria.

[Queen Skadi]

What if your goal is to have a realisitic relationship between people?

 

I would say your best bet would be to go outside and meet new people.

[PillarBiter]

I... I like both. May I post here?

[Sylvius the Mad]

I would say your best bet would be to go outside and meet new people.

We play single-player games for a reason.

[Queen Skadi]

We play single-player games for a reason.

 

If your goal is to form a realistic relationship with someone I am pretty sure a single player game is about the worst place to do it.

[Elhanan]

If your goal is to form a realistic relationship with someone I am pretty sure a single player game is about the worst place to do it.

Sure beats the comment section on places like yt....

Back to topic: DA has better Qunari; TW3 has better Griffins.

[Ravenfeeder]

And DAI still has Pause; a feature that allows me to actually play the game.

This. I tried to play TW2 but the mechanics were so awful I couldn't get very far. I've avoided TW3 because I expect the mechanics are similar. It's a shame because I enjoyed TW quite a lot. its mechanics weren't great, but they were playable.

[Kabraxal]

Wow, hostile and insulting. Your post meets 2 out of the 2 criteria. It would be interesting to read through these types of threads and tally just how many hostile and insulting posts there are and which side they fall on.

All it would take is a little rearranging and your post could reflect how a lot of DAI fans act. The fact is, both sides have some boorish, mean and insecure fans and both sides have reasonable people who see both sides of the coin and can coincide pretty well together. Maybe not in this thread, but it can definitely be achieved.

Consideeing I've run into more like skadi and see very little bashing of tge witcher on cdpr forums, I'm tired of playing nice with those that nit only feel the need to continually bash da and its fans on this forum... But pretty much everywhere. It hasn't been the DA fans inundating the web with "witcher is better than da!" Or even the pot shots they take at Skyrim.

To me, that smacks of insecurity within the rabid fanboys. I do not take issue with all witcher fans though, especially since I actually like TW3. But you try reading continual bashing of a game for months from a specific sect of a fanbase and see how the growing reaction against it is becoming more hostile. I am tired of the fanboys at this point.

[Elhanan]

This. I tried to play TW2 but the mechanics were so awful I couldn't get very far. I've avoided TW3 because I expect the mechanics are similar. It's a shame because I enjoyed TW quite a lot. its mechanics weren't great, but they were playable.

It is my understanding that the TW3 mechanics are better than before, and that when using Signs or Alchemy (?), there may be a slow time feature. Most Players seem to be able to handle it, but I have neural difficulty and prefer Pause and Tac-Cam features offered in DAI.

[Elhanan]

Consideeing I've run into more like skadi and see very little bashing of tge witcher on cdpr forums, I'm tired of playing nice with those that nit only feel the need to continually bash da and its fans on this forum... But pretty much everywhere. It hasn't been the DA fans inundating the web with "witcher is better than da!" Or even the pot shots they take at Skyrim.

To me, that smacks of insecurity within the rabid fanboys. I do not take issue with all witcher fans though, especially since I actually like TW3. But you try reading continual bashing of a game for months from a specific sect of a fanbase and see how the growing reaction against it is becoming more hostile. I am tired of the fanboys at this point.

Not the fans I dislike; tis the Haters. When one must bash one game to enjoy the other....

I wish I could play TW3, as I had hoped the Pause feature had returned (eg TW1). However, the frequent usage of ESRB content is not as contained or controllable as it is for DAI, so I choose to skip it.

[darreCZ]

Why to compare this 2 games? Its only about ur personal preferences. For me - i love DA:I ad hate W3, but its only my opinion, different players, different tastes:-)

[Xetykins]

Consideeing I've run into more like skadi and see very little bashing of tge witcher on cdpr forums, I'm tired of playing nice with those that nit only feel the need to continually bash da and its fans on this forum... But pretty much everywhere. It hasn't been the DA fans inundating the web with "witcher is better than da!" Or even the pot shots they take at Skyrim.
To me, that smacks of insecurity within the rabid fanboys. I do not take issue with all witcher fans though, especially since I actually like TW3. But you try reading continual bashing of a game for months from a specific sect of a fanbase and see how the growing reaction against it is becoming more hostile. I am tired of the fanboys at this point.

Well as I see it the bioware bashing started way before DAI came out and before the handful of TW3 fans flooding the forums. And don't forget some those " rabid fanboys" are also bioware fans(past or present, who can say?) looking at their posting counts. They can't have all been bashing those counts away.

But I agree with you that some are taking it on a whole different level that it becomes shameful.

[FKA_Servo]

There is something about Bioware and EA that drives some witcher fans friggin' nuts. I don't know what it is exactly (although I could make some uncharitable guesses that would derail the thread and be unfair to some of the fine people I've conversed with here since getting into the games, myself). I do know that around the time TW2 released, there was an influx of particularly cretinous posters who I have to assume were so appreciative of CDPR saving them the trouble of having to mod the boobs into their game themselves that they expressed their gratitude by projectile vomiting over pretty much every thread in the DA forums.

 

However, there is also an angry contingent of longtime Bioware fans who are primarily interested in hating on every new game in order of release and wailing about the lamentable depths to which Bioware has fallen, while fondly reminiscing about whatever game was released two or three games ago, which they also crapped all over at release.

 

C'est la vie.

 

(These are very mild hyperboles.)

[Nefla]

There is something about Bioware and EA that drives some witcher fans friggin' nuts. I don't know what it is exactly (although I could make some uncharitable guesses that would derail the thread and be unfair to some of the fine people I've conversed with here since getting into the games, myself). I do know that around the time TW2 released, there was an influx of particularly cretinous posters who I have to assume were so appreciative of CDPR saving them the trouble of having to mod the boobs into their game themselves that they expressed their gratitude by projectile vomiting over pretty much every thread in the DA forums.

 

However, there is also an angry contingent of longtime Bioware fans who are primarily interested in hating on every new game in order of release and wailing about the lamentable depths to which Bioware has fallen, while fondly reminiscing about whatever game was released two or three games ago, which they also crapped all over at release.

 

C'est la vie.

 

(These are very mild hyperboles.)

I'm pretty sure the "bashing" of BioWare games has nothing to do with said person liking The Witcher and everything to do with that person being a former BioWare fan that feels burned. We see BioWare going downhill, cutting corners, and ignoring their strengths in order to try(and fail) to grasp at something some other company was successful at with each new game and it's like a gut-punch. Then of course we see other companies doing a similar game but doing it really well and can't help but be like "what gives BioWare? You used to be so awesome at this too."

 

PS: I'm a woman, have no interest in modding boobs into any game, have never changed my opinion on a game as it gets older (such as bashing it when it first comes out and then claiming it's awesome when comparing it to something else later).

[Heyokah]

Hilarious that this thread still lives.  

 

I'll drop in with this - DA:I is not a racist game.

 

Find one person of color in TW3.  I'll wait....  

 

Therefore DA:I could be considered a more culturally balanced game or one could say that TW3 is inherently racist (in a modern sense). 

 

Pick your poison but I would say that DA:I wins in that regard  

 

Also - my 8 oranges are larger than your 11 apples.  And your crocodile analogy, which you have brought up on numerous occasions, means nothing when you can not substantiate the number 11.   (btw - you NEVER named ANY character that you could romance in TW3...Strumpet #'s 7-11 do not count.)

 

 

Toodles!

 

edit - "In all honesty I created this thread with good intentions, I had hoped to mend the rift between the fanbase by finding the things the Dragon Age series manages to do well in order bring some equality to comparisons and allow the Dragon Age fanbase to feel some sort of justification, however despite my best efforts the thread only managed to serve as a further reminder of how low Bioware and the Dragon Age team have fallen and for that I apologize." - Skadi.  

 

I fear that such altruistic intentions are now highly suspect.

[KBomb]

Hilarious that this thread still lives.  

 

I'll drop in with this - DA:I is not a racist game.

 

Find one person of color in TW3.  I'll wait....  

 

Therefore DA:I could be considered a more culturally balanced game or one could say that TW3 is inherently racist (in a modern sense). 

 

Pick your poison but I would say that DA:I wins in that regard  

 

Also - my 8 oranges are larger than your 11 apples.  And your crocodile analogy, which you have brought up on numerous occasions, means nothing when you can not substantiate the number 11.   (btw - you NEVER named ANY character that you could romance in TW3...Strumpet #'s 7-11 do not count.)

 

 

Toodles!

 

edit - "In all honesty I created this thread with good intentions, I had hoped to mend the rift between the fanbase by finding the things the Dragon Age series manages to do well in order bring some equality to comparisons and allow the Dragon Age fanbase to feel some sort of justification, however despite my best efforts the thread only managed to serve as a further reminder of how low Bioware and the Dragon Age team have fallen and for that I apologize." - Skadi.  

 

I fear that such altruistic intentions are now highly suspect.

Just one? Challenge accepted!

 

Spoiler

 

The simple exclusion of people of color does not equate to being racist. I have heard this before and it's a little absurd. If a game/movie/book doesn't have a homosexual presence, does that make it a homophobic work? If it degrades them in some way, then yes, but simply because they aren't present? TW3 has beautiful heavier set women in it, didn't see any of those in DAI, does that make DAI a game that is prejudice against over weight or "thick" women? We could do this all day long and get no where. TWverse does have homosexuals, transgenders(who I thought was really well done), oppressed women as well as incredibly independent and strong women, it tackles racism, classism, undertones of ableism and even tackles a bit of xenophobia--but let's overlook all of that cultural presentation because there are no people of color. So, yes. If you are looking for a game that represents a vast cultural theme because it has people pf color---yep. I guess DAI wins? If you can appreciate any form of art for what it is and not what it has to represent, then maybe not, but I guess it depends on what poison a person is looking to consume.

 

I know the apples and oranges thing is more directed at the asinine argument on which game has the best waifus--but I will say in this regard I prefer quality over quantity. I really like DAI's romances. Sera's is too weird for me and Josephine's is a bit too saccharine for me, but I like the rest of them. Iron Bull's is quite nice and it makes me chuckle a lot, which is always good in a romance. That being said, if a person is discounting TW3's romance because it's just Triss and Yennifer, then that's kind of silly. Both have really deep stories and connections, Triss not as much, but CDPR is working to rectify that. As far as Keira--I would take that fling any day of the week over some awkward conversation about having something carved into your yahoo area. And if people can consider Aveline a romance, and FYI unrequited love =/= romance, then Keira is most certainly a LI. So, yeah--there are three. Now, there is also Jutta, not exactly what I'd call a romance, but it isn't like going to a brothel either. She is attached to a mission and will only sleep with you if you meet certain criteria. I wouldn't say it's a budding romance, but it isn't a strumpet encounter either. She is pretty awesome, actually. I have heard of another one involving a Gwent match, but I can't speak about her since I have never encountered her. There is also an amazing scene that plays out if you try to romance both main LI's. As far as I know, in previous BW games, the only consequences to trying to spread your buttah too thick is a bit of jealousy and a weird confrontation of "Who do you love?"

 

I'd say both companies have improved their love scenes immensely and tried to build better relationships. They both deserve kudos on that front.

[Heyokah]

Just one? Challenge accepted!

 

Spoiler

 

The simple exclusion of people of color does not equate to being racist. I have heard this before and it's a little absurd. If a game/movie/book doesn't have a homosexual presence, does that make it a homophobic work? If it degrades them in some way, then yes, but simply because they aren't present? TW3 has beautiful heavier set women in it, didn't see any of those in DAI, does that make DAI a game that is prejudice against over weight or "thick" women? We could do this all day long and get no where. TWverse does have homosexuals, transgenders(who I thought was really well done), oppressed women as well as incredibly independent and strong women, it tackles racism, classism, undertones of ableism and even tackles a bit of xenophobia--but let's overlook all of that cultural presentation because there are no people of color. So, yes. If you are looking for a game that represents a vast cultural theme because it has people pf color---yep. I guess DAI wins? If you can appreciate any form of art for what it is and not what it has to represent, then maybe not, but I guess it depends on what poison a person is looking to consume.

 

I know the apples and oranges thing is more directed at the asinine argument on which game has the best waifus--but I will say in this regard I prefer quality over quantity. I really like DAI's romances. Sera's is too weird for me and Josephine's is a bit too saccharine for me, but I like the rest of them. Iron Bull's is quite nice and it makes me chuckle a lot, which is always good in a romance. That being said, if a person is discounting TW3's romance because it's just Triss and Yennifer, then that's kind of silly. Both have really deep stories and connections, Triss not as much, but CDPR is working to rectify that. As far as Keira--I would take that fling any day of the week over some awkward conversation about having something carved into your yahoo area. And if people can consider Aveline a romance, and FYI unrequited love =/= romance, then Keira is most certainly a LI. So, yeah--there are three. Now, there is also Jutta, not exactly what I'd call a romance, but it isn't like going to a brothel either. She is attached to a mission and will only sleep with you if you meet certain criteria. I wouldn't say it's a budding romance, but it isn't a strumpet encounter either. She is pretty awesome, actually. I have heard of another one involving a Gwent match, but I can't speak about her since I have never encountered her. There is also an amazing scene that plays out if you try to romance both main LI's. As far as I know, in previous BW games, the only consequences to trying to spread your buttah too thick is a bit of jealousy and a weird confrontation of "Who do you love?"

 

I'd say both companies have improved their love scenes immensely and tried to build better relationships. They both deserve kudos on that front.

Dangit - you got me....in a sense.  That would be considered a "monster" in Geralt's world.  Albeit a character that he could choose to kill or let live.  If left alive it would remain secluded.  I'm sure Skadi would also consider that a romance option as well.  However I am willing to admit defeat unlike others  

 

There were others of that species seen but in a more sinister context.  Good catch though!

 

edit - Your first paragraph is spot on.  I was just trying to troll the troll.  Alas...but I believe you can only "romance" 5-6 characters in TW3.  Not that romance options or lack thereof makes either game better or worse.

[KBomb]

Dangit - you got me....in a sense.  That would be considered a "monster" in Geralt's world.  Albeit a character that he could choose to kill or let live.  If left alive it would remain secluded.  I'm sure Skadi would also consider that a romance option as well.  However I am willing to admit defeat unlike others  

 

There were others of that species seen but in a more sinister context.  Good catch though!

 

edit - Your first paragraph is spot on.  I was just trying to troll the troll.  Alas...

And people like you are the reason good debates happen! We need more of that around here. 

 

Also, Salma is no monster! I feel mixed on succubus. I find them so beautiful, but I cannot get past the hooved feet and goat legs. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

I'm pretty sure the "bashing" of BioWare games has nothing to do with said person liking The Witcher and everything to do with that person being a former BioWare fan that feels burned. We see BioWare going downhill, cutting corners, and ignoring their strengths in order to try(and fail) to grasp at something some other company was successful at with each new game and it sucks. Then of course we see other companies doing a similar game but doing it really well and can't help but be like "what gives BioWare? You used to be so awesome at this too."

 

PS: I'm a woman, have no interest in modding boobs into any game, have never changed my opinion on a game as it gets older (such as bashing it when it first comes out and then claiming it's awesome when comparing it to something else later).

 

For some people, yes. Probably the majority, in fact.

 

For others, it borders on either a vendetta or a superiority complex. The way some people go on about it Bioware makes the worst games to ever have been released while CDPR make the best works of art in the history of mankind, generously donate a piece of their being to every single customer and manage to smell good as well.

 

Personally, given that Inquisition ranks only below a select few Bioware games (Baldur's Gate 2 and Origins not to name them, tied with KOTOR), the whole ''you used to be cool'' aspect is not an opinion I share. Nor do I think EA ruined them since all Dragon Age games were done under their watch. I do lament some DLC practices that have come from EA's presence as well as DA2 being rushed by them, but since the alternative was the studio going down under and failing to release many of their best games, I'll stomach it. 

 

I'm going to play what I enjoy. I enjoy Bioware games. Anyone that tells me I'm wrong or that I should enjoy X game instead is unworthy of my attention. 

[Heyokah]

And people like you are the reason good debates happen! We need more of that around here. 

 

Also, Salma is no monster! I feel mixed on succubus. I find them so beautiful, but I cannot get past the hooved feet and goat legs. 

Yeah there are two Succubi you could kill and I chose to kill neither of them.  They both had their raison d'etre which made sense to me so I let them be.  

 

And thank you  

[Heyokah]

For some people, yes. Probably the majority, in fact.

 

For others, it borders on either a vendetta or a superiority complex. The way some people go on about it Bioware makes the worst games to ever have been released while CDPR make the best works of art in the history of mankind, generously donate a piece of their being to every single customer and manage to smell good as well.

 

Personally, given that Inquisition ranks only below a select few Bioware games (Baldur's Gate 2 and Origins not to name them, tied with KOTOR), the whole ''you used to be cool'' aspect is not an opinion I share. Nor do I think EA ruined them since all Dragon Age games were done under their watch. I do lament some DLC practices that have come from EA's presence as well as DA2 being rushed by them, but since the alternative was the studio going down under and failing to release many of their best games, I'll stomach it. 

 

I'm going to play what I enjoy. I enjoy Bioware games. Anyone that tells me I'm wrong or that I should enjoy X game instead is unworthy of my attention. 

Ya know what the problem with the gaming industry is?  It is not the developers, although some can be more maligned than others, it is us the GAMERS!

 

Look at how we react to one another.  "You are wrong because you like X."  "Well you are wrong because you can not see that Y is better"  "You are both wrong because both X & Y were developed by capitalists."  It never ends.

 

I know what I enjoy, you know what you enjoy, and instead of us having a conversation about the merits of each game we try to tear both games (and each other) into the ground.  You know who loses in such a scenario?  WE ALL DO!

 

I know fully well that what I consider a fun gaming experience may not be shared by everyone else.  I also know that if I truly listen to people and understand WHY they like a particular game then I may be able to make an informed decision as to why I may or may not want to purchase said game.  If the game is not for me this doesn't mean that the person I am conferring with is wrong or worse yet a bad person...it simply means that we have differing tastes.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that!  Quite frankly I should thank the person I am speaking with for giving me their time to explain their views.  I should not be harassing and insulting them.  But this is the culture that we live in today.  And we all do ourselves a disservice by perpetuating it.

 

I'd truly like to believe that we all play games to have fun.  We sometimes (myself included) forget this fact.

 

 

EDIT - Giant that was not so much of a response to your quote but more of an agreement with everything you said and an extrapolation upon the theme.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It is my understanding that the TW3 mechanics are better than before, and that when using Signs or Alchemy (?), there may be a slow time feature. Most Players seem to be able to handle it, but I have neural difficulty and prefer Pause and Tac-Cam features offered in DAI.

I continue to insist that a proper RPG should be playable by a quadriplegic - playable slowly, but playable.

[Heyokah]

I continue to insist that a proper RPG should be playable by a quadriplegic - playable slowly, but playable.

New Oculus headset attachment perhaps?

 

the straw

[Dread-Reaper]

TWverse does have homosexuals, transgenders(who I thought was really well done), oppressed women as well as incredibly independent and strong women, it tackles racism, classism, undertones of ableism and even tackles a bit of xenophobia--but let's overlook all of that cultural presentation because there are no people of color. So, yes. If you are looking for a game that represents a vast cultural theme because it has people pf color---yep. I guess DAI wins? If you can appreciate any form of art for what it is and not what it has to represent, then maybe not, but I guess it depends on what poison a person is looking to consume.

Really? Who is s/he?

[Queen Skadi]

I'm sure Skadi would also consider that a romance option as well.  However I am willing to admit defeat unlike others  

 

As far as I can remember there isn't an option to have sex with it.

 

That said I can admit defeat, I mean I even did so in this thread when I acknowledged my attempts to mend rifts and educate you all had failed due to your unwillingness to learn, I was naive in thinking I could teach the Dragon Age fanbase the basic principles of mathematics.