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[Renmiri1]

Is this true ? Lore says Thedas has 2 moons and game only has one at night.

 

Quite a big thing to loose!

 

 

anonymous asked:

Er, sorry. I'm new to the Dragon Age fandom. What is the whole Bioware Forgot a Moon thing?

 

 

bubonickitten answered:

mehofkirkwall wrote a thing about it here and here but basically Thedas is supposed to have two moons but we only ever see one in the sky and only one of them (Satina) is named while the other is just called “the moon” (like, “the moon”, as if there’s only one) and all signs point to the devs just kinda forgetting that lore says there are two moons 

 

[LOLandStuff]

Have you tried crossing your eyes?

[thats1evildude]

Actually, one of Thedas' moons was a space station. It was blown up by a bunch of left-wing militants.

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually, one of Thedas' moons was a space station. It was blown up by a bunch of left-wing militants.

That seems to happen a lot

[andy6915]

Well this can't be canon. There's only one moon at the DAO party camp, only one moon in nightnight Denerim in Leliana's Song, only one moon in all of DA2, and only one moon in DAI. This is like WoT telling us that Darkspawn are actually born via the archdemon popping them out rather than broodmothers, it just completely contradicts... Well, everything.

[Sifr]

Well this can't be canon. There's only one moon at the DAO party camp, only one moon in nightnight Denerim in Leliana's Song, only one moon in all of DA2, and only one moon in DAI. This is like WoT telling us that Darkspawn are actually born via the archdemon popping them out rather than broodmothers, it just completely contradicts... Well, everything.

 

It is still (apparently) canon, as the holiday originally dedicated to Zazikel was renamed Satinalia has been rededicated to the second moon, Satina. Furthermore, the constellation Satinalis takes it's name from it, a piece of information which was first introduced in Inquisition.

 

Which strikes me as weird as the second moon actually has been given a name, but the first one doesn't (or at least, if it does no-one seems to use it). It's honestly been bugging me for a while now, either they should show it or just retcon it that Satina is the name of the moon we always see... and the idea of a second moon being an in-universe mistake by Thedas' astronomers that was later corrected?

 

But I do kinda want to see some recognition of it's existence in an actual game, the idea that Thedas has two moons is cool.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mundus has two moons

[andy6915]

Canon, yet the games fully contradict it. Sounds to me like Bioware wanted to implement it and made it canon because of that, but then never did. For 3 games in a row. You know, when Elder Scrolls lore says there's 2 moons and that the moons are actually dead and rotting gods and that the spherical physical shape is simply all our mortal minds can comprehend it as... They make the gameplay match it. There are 2 moons, the moons themselves are often see through on purpose to show that something about them is off, the moons are actually creepy looking like you'd expect them to be given their lore. The lore matches. Bioware? There's 2 moons, but it's simply never been referenced in the codex or the dialogue or even the actual visuals for 3 games. Just because Bioware wanted their canon to have 2 moons doesn't mean it does. Not unless one of the moons is so utterly tiny and has such a wide orbit that it basically looks no different from a large star in the night sky.

[Andromelek]

Well, as I remember Thedas was a continent and not the whole world, so, could be possible that they aren't able to see one of the moons from there? Oh, well, the moons don't necessarily have to be together, it could be also that there are two orbiting, but only one seen at the time.

There's also the chance that this "second moon" could be a construct, I mean, that Krogan and the fighting plants had to come from somewhere.

[berelinde]

The moon that's visible never changes phase, either. That kinda makes me think that the moons are in geosynchronous orbit. But if that were the case, how would they even know there was another moon? Unless the other moon is visible in places like Par Vollen or something.

[myahele]

it's possible that the other moon is orbiting the main moon?

[In Exile]

This is a bit like how the dev's just forgot Andrastianism isn't an expy for Christianity (it was originally written to be like Deism, but that got dropped like a hot potatoe by DA2). 

[Cz-99]

Maybe it shattered and released dragons into the world?

[Sifr]

Canon, yet the games fully contradict it. Sounds to me like Bioware wanted to implement it and made it canon because of that, but then never did. For 3 games in a row. You know, when Elder Scrolls lore says there's 2 moons and that the moons are actually dead and rotting gods and that the spherical physical shape is simply all our mortal minds can comprehend it as... They make the gameplay match it. There are 2 moons, the moons themselves are often see through on purpose to show that something about them is off, the moons are actually creepy looking like you'd expect them to be given their lore. The lore matches. Bioware? There's 2 moons, but it's simply never been referenced in the codex or the dialogue or even the actual visuals for 3 games. Just because Bioware wanted their canon to have 2 moons doesn't mean it does. Not unless one of the moons is so utterly tiny and has such a wide orbit that it basically looks no different from a large star in the night sky.

 

While I know that our own moon can appear via an optical illusion to be larger, it does make me wonder, since the moon has appeared different sizes and with different surface details as we go from game to game, how do we know we've been seeing the same moon each time?

 

Would be a nice handwave if we found out that the distant moon from Origins (that was a recoloured Mars) and the larger moon from Inquistion (more potmarked with craters like Earth's moon), were actually meant to be two entirely different bodies entirely.

[YourFunnyUncle]

There are no proper day-night cycles in the DA games and the areas are essentially static at wherever time of day they set them. This negates the second point linked in the OP that "the other moon should show up at some point."

 

One can argue, and many do, that this should change, but until that time BioWare can hand-wave and say that the other moon is out of sight on the other side of the planet at the time they chose to render.

[andy6915]

This is a bit like how the dev's just forgot Andrastianism isn't an expy for Christianity (it was originally written to be like Deism, but that got dropped like a hot potatoe by DA2).

 
What? That makes no sense either. "One life, one death, there is but one God". It acts exactly like an Abrahamic religion, even down to the part of there being only one god and all other gods being false, a singular being who made everything. That is basically the complete opposite of Deism. I suspect you're wrong about this and have no evidence at all, but we'll see.

While I know that our own moon can appear via an optical illusion to be larger, it does make me wonder, since the moon has appeared different sizes and with different surface details as we go from game to game, how do we know we've been seeing the same moon each time?

Would be a nice handwave if we found out that the distant moon from Origins (that was a recoloured Mars) and the larger moon from Inquistion (more potmarked with craters like Earth's moon), were actually meant to be two entirely different bodies entirely.

Maybe... I just thought that if there's two moons, then they would both be visible at the same time.

[Dai Grepher]

There are two moons. There's the one in DA:O with the crack (no pun intended) and the one in DA:I that is cratered.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Thedas may or may not have two moons? That's potentially a really bad sign.

[SardaukarElite]

Well DA:O didn't have stars or moons, so this is still progress.

[midnight tea]

Actually, did you know that Earth has two moons as well?

Well, sort of - it's a quasi-satellite - but still!

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/3753_Cruithne

It's too small and its orbit is way different from that of our regular moon, but maybe that's how smaller moon in Thedas works as well, hence it's only seen only during certain seasons, or maybe even years or decades??

[Cribbian]

The reason we can only see one moon in the game? Unicron felt like having a snack.
 

[Wulfram]

Well DA:O didn't have stars or moons, so this is still progress.

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[SardaukarElite]

um

 

Ha, knew I should have checked that. Still no stars though.

[Dai Grepher]

Well, you also wrote "moons", plural. And you're right about that.

 

But like I wrote, DA:O had the moon that was mostly smooth and a large crack and appeared smaller, and DA:I had the large moon that was cratered as seen in the Hissing Wastes.

 

So maybe this is a case of each moon only being seen during certain times of the year, or even the age. Or maybe it's based on your location in Thedas. Maybe only one moon is visible at a time.

[Sunnie]

Actually, did you know that Earth has two moons as well?

Well, sort of - it's a quasi-satellite - but still!
 
https://en.wikipedia...i/3753_Cruithne

It's too small and its orbit is way different from that of our regular moon, but maybe that's how smaller moon in Thedas works as well, hence it's only seen only during certain seasons, or maybe even years or decades??

Hate to point out errors, but..

Cruithne does not orbit Earth, it orbits our Star (Sun), and like noted in the Wiki article (that you linked), it's incorrectly referred to as a second moon.