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#151
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Thats one thing in the entire game. Taking things out of context is just a poor way to prove a point. Every game has bad writing, even the games people cling to as the best games ever. Also we know that Bethesda are not the best at writing dialogue, but they have improved vastly over their last two games. They don't have as many dedicated writers as other developers do. It is mostly the original crew that worked on Morrowind that writes the lore/dialogue/story etc. Bioware and Obsidian has 5 or more dedicated writers on each project which is assigned to do just that.

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Remember that time when your Dad was mildly disappointed in you for blowing up megaton and killing thousands of people?


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They are both awesome games but of course, New Vegas would have more content. Obsidian had assets left over from Van Buren, they didn't need to create a new engine for the game either, therefore, they had a lot to work with before they had even started. It is a shame that Bethesda and Obsidian couldn't just work together, as Obsidian clearly has the better writing team, whereas Bethesda is far better at world building and exploration. In a sense, I think Bethesda have the ability to think really big, making unique worlds that have a great deal of content, whereas Obsidian are extremely good and fleshing out their worlds through the smaller details, the writing, and characters. Neither is a perfect developer, but they are both incredibly good at what they do. 

 

You can't really compare them as developers though, as Bethesda typically work on their own projects, whereas Obsidian is renowned for working on worlds which are already established by working on a sequel using the same engine and assets, or working in co-operation with another developer. 

 

In regards to which is better out of Fallout 3 and New Vegas? It is a really a matter of preference, but as I previously said, I prefer New Vegas. However, New Vegas wouldn't be as nearly as good as it was if Obsidian did not have the assets left over from Van Buren.


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I still can't get over the Little Lamplight and Big Town crap. I thought I'd go to my grave thinking the Scientologists and Shi in San Francisco from Fallout 2 were the dumbest and wackiest factions in the franchise.

But the Kings in NV, which is similar in premise to the Shi, just replace China with Elvis, they look downright reasonable in comparison.

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You know, I'm happy to see Vault 11 getting as much praise as it does cause it really did set the standard for me as far as vault content is concerned.

One of these days I'll get around to trying the Pitt since the general consenus seems to be that it's one point in 3 that's worth it. Even modded out the eyeballs though, 3 really doesn't hold my interest to slough through it for one DLC. I think the folks that worked on Interesting NPCs for Skyrim are making a FO version (both 3 and NV) so once that gets further along I might give it a go again and see if their involvement can improve the ugh.

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Bethesda you're cool, but Dat Writing...
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Remember that time when your Dad was mildly disappointed in you for blowing up megaton and killing thousands of people?


Thousands?

You mean like 10?

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Thousands?

You mean like 10?

I would say 50 max.



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Thousands?

You mean like 10?

 

Well it's implied it's a lot. Even though you can only see a few people.



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I believe the OP wants us to help them decide on which game to play, so they have not actually played any of them for themselves. I think we should probably refrain from the spoilers (No matter how ridiculous they might be *Little Lamplight*)  :lol:


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I knew it this would be a FO3 vs FONV fight the minute i saw the topic. To be fair i did contribute to that discussion. But i am done and i hope the OP has found some joy in Fallout. 



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All of this talk of Little Lamplighters is causing my PTSD to flare up. I remember when one of my best friends said to another "Oh, let him give us this rant about the Little Lamplighters that he's talking about. What's the worst that could happen?"

 

Ten minutes of verbal diarrhea later, they both looked shellshocked, and clearly regretted having it thoroughly explained to them just how depraved, disgusting, stupid, nonsensical and disturbing the worst sci fi idea in history actually was.

 

But lest I accidentally start the rant again (it's very hard to stop once it starts) I will quickly move on to my point...

 

If you're going to play both, you should definitely get FO 3, first. When you haven't played FO:NV, FO 3 is fun just for running around pwning the wasteland with your lone wanderer, with some seriously cool locations and atmosphere.

 

If I had played FO:NV before I played FO 3, FO 3 would have felt terribly inadequate, and it would have been hard to enjoy it for its merits.


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It really isn't. It's nothing like how persuasion works. RNG works for e.g. shooting because (1) you don't usually show someone lining up the shot (this is where people start complaining about missing in games like AP) and (2) we accept that there can be inherent randomness to how bullets travel.

 

But what makes speech persuasive is how it's said. The same speech can't be differently persuasive to the same person. 

That's not true in the slightest. There are so many thing that go into persuading someone, and what convinces one person doesn't convince the other. How good you are at persuading shouldn't be, "You're so good at persuading, you will always convince this person to agree with you 100% of the time." That's actually pretty dumb. As I said, i's not perfect, but it's still a lot better, imo. But lol@Fallout3, so it's obvious that it's wrong. 

 

FO3 is just a big world game with no substance. Plus it has Little Lamplight so it's worse by default.

That's actually pretty true. 

 

You are literally shouting out dragon speak from your mouth , killing dragons and absorbing their souls. You think no one will know? It is also not about everyone knowing you have it wrong. The people that need to know, know. In Arcanum(which is the best example of reactivity i could find), there is no plot armor. Which means if I kill one of the most important NPC's without me knowing the mission would continue but would take into account what has happened. The reason I am bringing up this point is because the NPC's related to that character would be informed(there is also a news paper system that informs people what is happening around the world.) A selective network of NPCs are reacting to this rather than the full fledged world because that would be insane. House is a good example of this, only a selective group of people react to you killing house.

 

Bethesda are more concerned with creating actual worlds and landscapes rather than concentration on interaction. In fact most of the RPGS these days are extremely weak at this.Let us not forget, it is not just a matter of the NPC reacting to something but it is also a matter of the character using previous experience to solve these problems.

 

Let us also give another example of Fallout 3's shallowness. Could you explain to me why if you send a ghoul into purifier it has that affect on him? I thought ghouls are healed by radiation? 

It has a lot less to do with literally no one knowing, and a lot more to do with the game world not possibly having a way for literally everyone to know exactly who you are, and which ones saw it, and which ones who would remember exactly what you look like and then recognize you out of all the people that look like you, there are a lot more of them than you'd think, out of literally thousands of people, as Whiterun doesn't have 12 people living in it. It has the upwards of a few hundred thousand, being an actual city and all, and expecting the way it's portrayed in game to reflect that is ridiculous. And as much as you want

 

As for Fallout 3, it's not my job to explain the dumber points of the plot, nor does it have anything to do with this discussion. Besides, it wasn't just radiation in the room.



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I still can't get over the Little Lamplight and Big Town crap. I thought I'd go to my grave thinking the Scientologists and Shi in San Francisco from Fallout 2 were the dumbest and wackiest factions in the franchise.

But the Kings in NV, which is similar in premise to the Shi, just replace China with Elvis, they look downright reasonable in comparison.

 

The King himself actually explains why he chose the whole Elvis theme. Because he believed that Elvis was worshipped in the Old World (and honestly he's not that far off), and that making him into something anyone could be would be inspiring, in a ''anyone can be a King'' kind of way. Considering the Kings are the dominant force in Freeside, he's apparently right.

 

Leave it to Obsidian to make a faction of Elvis impersonators actually work. Bethesda would probably have them sing tunes all day long and beat up thugs with guitars because it's so cool and random.

 

No arguments as to the Hubologists and the Shi. Those factions were just stupid stereotypes (who have access to Gauss rifles and Power Armor for some reason), but then again I do consider FO2 inferior to both FO1 and NV overall, and that is a large reason as to why.


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The King was also awesome. No character in a Bethesda game is even close to that swinging guy.


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I didn't know Bethesda made characters. 


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I didn't know Bethesda made characters. 

Cardboard cutouts pretending to be characters.


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Bethesda you're cool, but Dat Writing...

It's funny how the game either forces you to go kill yourself in an anti climatic matter or be labeled a coward for sending in someone who isn't affected by Radiation at all? Plus you broke the Mutie out so... yeah. GG Fawkes. It's called being smart, not being a coward. 

 

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Wow. I knew FO3 vs. NV would be a thing, but it never ceases to disappoint: the gift that keeps on failing. It's nearly as bad as the inevitable and notoriously tedious "Oblivion vs. Morrowind" bollocks. Y'know, they're all pretty cool except for minor preferences. Even as a really stroppy cow, I never understand why some people get so militant about "this one is Teh Best™ and the other suxxxx0rz!!!11!1eleven!1"

Edit: I'm reminded that I'm a bit sad that Fatha never said, "daughter, I am disappoint" for something random. Which would've inevitably included Tenpenny Tower ("I was born in London, don't'cher know. Chim chimerney etc") whichever way you played it.

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If you're going to play both, you should definitely get FO 3, first. When you haven't played FO:NV, FO 3 is fun just for running around pwning the wasteland with your lone wanderer, with some seriously cool locations and atmosphere.

 

If I had played FO:NV before I played FO 3, FO 3 would have felt terribly inadequate, and it would have been hard to enjoy it for its merits.

 

Yeah this is probably true. I have a tremendous amount of nostalgia for Fallout 3 (because reasons) and even now I can enjoy it quite a bit because of that (well not the DLC's tho).  



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I made the mistake of playing Fallout NV first and I will forever regret it. After playing the masterpiece that is New Vegas I cant get into Fallout 3 at all. I picked up the game of the year edition recently so Im going to try again, but New Vegas set the bar so high Fallout 3 pales in comparison in my opinion.



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OP, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas Discussion thread here:

Manages (for the most part) to stay away from the FO3 vs. New Vegas war. A hundred pages of info, regarding both games, if you are interested.

http://forum.bioware...-99?hl= fallout+discussion +thread
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I made the mistake of playing Fallout NV first and I will forever regret it. After playing the masterpiece that is New Vegas I cant get into Fallout 3 at all. I picked up the game of the year edition recently so Im going to try again, but New Vegas set the bar so high Fallout 3 pales in comparison in my opinion.


I played Fallout 3 first and when I got New Vegas, it was more or less of a "been there done that" deal for me.

Still, once you have played New Vegas, you don't really miss Fallout 3.

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I played Fallout 3 first and when I got New Vegas, it was more or less of a "been there done that" deal for me.

Still, once you have played New Vegas, you don't really miss Fallout 3.

There was more to do, more depth, more factions and better DLC in New Vegas. Plus, Hardcore mode. 



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It's funny how the game either forces you to go kill yourself in an anti climatic matter or be labeled a coward for sending in someone who isn't affected by Radiation at all? Plus you broke the Mutie out so... yeah. GG Fawkes. It's called being smart, not being a coward. 


I thought you were my partner Fawkes ;__; Not to mention the ending insult you if you refuse to commit suicide, and send someone who's immune to the radiation instead. I have no problem with the ultimate sacrifice ending, but this made absolutely no sense ending does not sit well with me. Why would I want to commit suicide when there's alternative.

Good job, Bethesda. Let's call a player who doesn't want to commit suicide a coward when they're sensible enough to refuse "your ending"