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[Elhanan]

The story of the Broodmother may be the best example of a mature approach to the content I have experienced; certainly is a strong reason for my choosing to continue the DA series.

[In Exile]

By that token, both games are fairly equal given DA is no slouch in showing abuse of power and institution. Which makes me think many, when referring to TW3, are simply quantifying blood, sex, and angst quota. But then, that is the thing to do in some sects of entertainment.

 

DA:I doesn't spend a lot of time on portraying abuse, however, which makes people feel like it isn't a setting with abuse of power. DA2 spent more time on it with the mage templar war, which led to criticism. DA:O a few origins on it, even if the game doesn't feature it as strongly. 

 

TW3 has a mature setting without being a necessarily mature game. A bit like how Game of Thrones is less mature in some ways than the books it is based on, because of the degree to which the sex/nudity is pushed up and character motivations are simplified (see e.g. Stannis). 

[sammael]

Too bad you can't even bring up a single point to back it up in all this fanboy ranting. Maybe you should go to cdpr's site sonce you are clearly here to only and mindlessly bash dragon age. Maybe you'd be welcome there.

This i kinda have to agree with, in neither game you really see neither cory nor eridin that much, they are supposed to be the "bad" guys but in the end both games just feal like they are just there to get an end to the story itself, personally i would have liked to se an Epic last battle in DA:I, i mean you gather Resources to build up skyhold, gather favours and allies across the game, and in the end for no reason at all

 

[In Exile]

Do you understand what mature is? I love how you think what people mean when they say the Witcher is mature is because it has ******, this is not the case, people call the Witcher games mature because they explore far more complex and mature themes that only mature people can truly understand and appreciate.

 

I'm not sure that's what most people mean when they say it's mature. For example, TW3, apart from the Bloody Baron sequence, is a very conventional fantasy game with a general repeat of abusers are rarely punished as their "commoner" story. It's, in that regard, less mature than TW2. But people dont' say that about TW3, which leads me to think that's not what they mean by mature. 

 

Contrast, for example, Act II in TW2 with how TW3 handles Radovid and Niilfgaard. 

[Kabraxal]

Do you understand what mature is? I love how you think what people mean when they say the Witcher is mature is because it has ******, this is not the case, people call the Witcher games mature because they explore far more complex and mature themes that only mature people can truly understand and appreciate.

And there's the "only mature people can understand" bs. Hate to break it to you, but it still isn't more mature despite your obvious need to create false superiority. See, unlike you I'm not pulling "it's more mature!" And proving a complete irrational bias.

[Queen Skadi]

I'm not sure that's what most people mean when they say it's mature. For example, TW3, apart from the Bloody Baron sequence, is a very conventional fantasy game with a general repeat of abusers are rarely punished as their "commoner" story. It's, in that regard, less mature than TW2. But people dont' say that about TW3, which leads me to think that's not what they mean by mature. 

 

Contrast, for example, Act II in TW2 with how TW3 handles Radovid and Niilfgaard. 

 

Well I havent seen any claim that the Witcher 3 is more Mature than the Witcher 2 either, there is a lot of things people don't say about the Witcher 3 because they are things that don't really need to be said, While I do prefer the overall story of the Witcher 2 to Witcher 3 I do have to admit that Bloody Baron sequence was pretty bloody brilliant.

[Sunnie]

At this point I am actively considering anyone that makes a new Witcher 3 thread or actively stirs the pot touting how great TW3 is and how bad DAI is, a troll.

Honestly, the only reason now to keep bringing it up on the BioWare forum is to troll those that enjoy Inquisition. CDPR has a forum, so why do the faboys keep coming here? Oh wait...

[London]

To be fair, this TW3 v DA:I thread is actually going well and has some real discussion that is being ruined by people posting sarcastic comments and "funny" images/memes.

Maybe try not posting if you have no intention of contributing? .

I didn't know a post that has "...duhh" In the title could be ruined considering what it is to begin with.

There is a Witcher 3 thread in off-topic and a 6000+ post topic in Feedback. Maybe this discussion should just go there rather than clog up DAIs main forums.

[robertthebard]

Well I havent seen any claim that the Witcher 3 is more Mature than the Witcher 2 either, there is a lot of things people don't say about the Witcher 3 because they are things that don't really need to be said, While I do prefer the overall story of the Witcher 2 to Witcher 3 I do have to admit that Bloody Baron sequence was pretty bloody brilliant.

I'd like to thank you for allowing me to save the money I was planning on spending on TW 3. If the story's better in 2, and it can't grab me to make me finish it, then, according to this review here, 3 isn't worth my money, it'll just be another game in the series, for a total of 3 if I had bought it, that I never finish, since I've yet to finish the other two. Maybe I'll quit being so harsh about all the TW 3 discussion, it did, after all, lead to saving me some money.

[xPez]

DAI has like 10 huge maps where all you see is forests, deserts and mountains so I'm not sure why you're complaining about TW3 where you actually have more than that. Not only do you have dozens of little small villages but you also have the city of Novigrad which is huge and a nice change when you spend some time exploring the wilderness. If anything, TW3 had what DAI didn't have: a city and several villages that are immersive and look alive. Personally I don't care how pretty DAI's maps were if in the end most sidequests required you to pick letters from the ground and you barely interact with NPCs when exploring the maps. I don't play games to look at the prettiness of it and to me, that's the only thing DAI's worlds were good for. But that's just my opinion.

 

 

Soooo... you agree with me then? My point was that the DA:I environs are prettier, more exotic and have more variance. Don't get me wrong, TW3 has some stunning areas too, Kaer Morhen is now my No.1 fantasy location to live at, provided there were no monsters or murderous mobs of zealots obviously.

 

 

 

On the subject of why this thread should be here, it is discussing DA:I as well so why shouldn't it be? Posters saying "oh why don't you post on the CDPR forums then", well by your made up forum rules we wouldn't be able to talk about DA:I on those forums, so where could anyone talk about comparisons between the two?

 

Obviously there are posters (fanboys) that get a bit "overexcited" when someone criticises their favourite game, but they're on both sides. There have been some good posts too in this thread so far.

[Reznore57]

I watched The Witcher 3 on Twitch , so I'm no expert about it ...

I would say they handled their side quests way better than DA I ...but the main story with Ciri?

On one hand we have the "I want to be a God grrrr" madmen , on the other the special snowflake only possible savior of the world child hunted by guys who looks like they are a bit too much into heavy metal.

Both are bad imho , but I will say the Witcher 3 is worse because for whatever reasons it brings back memories of Conan the Destroyer without the funny nostalgia factor going on.

 

I think both game are pretty good overall anyway , I didn't buy the Witcher , it's not my cup of tea , but if you're into it , it's probably a great game.

[robertthebard]

Soooo... you agree with me then? My point was that the DA:I environs are prettier, more exotic and have more variance. Don't get me wrong, TW3 has some stunning areas too, Kaer Morhen is now my No.1 fantasy location to live at, provided there were no monsters or murderous mobs of zealots obviously.
 
 
 
On the subject of why this thread should be here, it is discussing DA:I as well so why shouldn't it be? Posters saying "oh why don't you post on the CDPR forums then", well by your made up forum rules we wouldn't be able to talk about DA:I on those forums, so where could anyone talk about comparisons between the two?
 
Obviously there are posters (fanboys) that get a bit "overexcited" when someone criticises their favourite game, but they're on both sides. There have been some good posts too in this thread so far.

Hmm, what forum are we in?

Scuttlebutt (Spoilers)

Discuss rumors, journalism, convention coverage and social media surrounding Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Considering all the interesting plot points brought out about TW 3, in this thread alone, I'd say it's pretty far off the established topic, wouldn't you? Go ahead, explain to me how discussing the plot of TW 3 fits into any of the categories the page header for this forum lists as open for discussion. As soon as these threads pop, they should be moved to Off Topic. This is BioWare's forum, not CDPR's forum. This definitely isn't the spoiler section for TW 3 is it? I mean, I realize that I have an account on CDPR's forum, but I'm pretty sure I didn't log in there by mistake, did I?

I come here to discuss Dragon Age, not TW. If I want to discuss that, I'll go there and discuss it. I'm not politically correct, I'll say something when I think it's out of line. I think it's out of line. Whether the mods decide to move it or not is on them, but they aren't sending me PMs telling me that I'm not allowed to read threads in the DA forums, so I guess they don't think I'm out of line either.

[abisha]

And there's the "only mature people can understand" bs. Hate to break it to you, but it still isn't more mature despite your obvious need to create false superiority. See, unlike you I'm not pulling "it's more mature!" And proving a complete irrational bias.

 

well i not gonna spoil story to much about Witcher 3.

but why i claim that witcher 3 have a far more mature appose is not because it have boobs, blood etc.

but far more realistic approach towards human logic.

for example the Barron reason why he become a drinking loser ended up with nothing.

 

the overall story in DA:I all a bit to smooth, for instance the moment i saw blackwall i know he was not a gray warden.

o yea and cole?? this not interesting nor sudden have been their. if they wanted to introduce a "special out of place character they can have done far better then this"

 

o yea seen some environment discussing, their is no question about it DA:I environment is absolutely topnotch.

[abisha]

Hmm, what forum are we in?
Considering all the interesting plot points brought out about TW 3, in this thread alone, I'd say it's pretty far off the established topic, wouldn't you? Go ahead, explain to me how discussing the plot of TW 3 fits into any of the categories the page header for this forum lists as open for discussion. As soon as these threads pop, they should be moved to Off Topic. This is BioWare's forum, not CDPR's forum. This definitely isn't the spoiler section for TW 3 is it? I mean, I realize that I have an account on CDPR's forum, but I'm pretty sure I didn't log in there by mistake, did I?

I come here to discuss Dragon Age, not TW. If I want to discuss that, I'll go there and discuss it. I'm not politically correct, I'll say something when I think it's out of line. I think it's out of line. Whether the mods decide to move it or not is on them, but they aren't sending me PMs telling me that I'm not allowed to read threads in the DA forums, so I guess they don't think I'm out of line either.

 

their are enough forum moderators, they can close topic if they find it out of line.

but i not really see any problem it's a game both are and i enjoy both.

 

only reason why DA:I most complete against TW is because both are the same heavy hitters and almost same time.

[Sunnie]

Doesn't matter how many excuses people come up with, The Witcher is not valid subject matter for these forums. The proper place would be in an Off-Topic section, only there isn't one because BioWare changed all the forum rules when they switched over to this forum last year and they now desire everything to be ON-TOPIC, even in private groups. Create a group and not discuss a BioWare product and it gets the axe by an Admin. I hate to beat people over the head with the rules, but...

 

1. Be respectful and courteous
The BioWare Forum is a safe and constructive space to discuss BioWare Edmonton/Montreal developed video game content and related items. In order to keep this a fun place for all community members, there are a few ground rules that must be followed for all methods of communication.

 

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The Witcher is not BioWare developed content nor is it related to BioWare developed content. Excuses will never change that fact.

[Dreadstruck]

There is a Witcher 3 thread in off-topic and a 6000+ post topic in Feedback. Maybe this discussion should just go there rather than clog up DAIs main forums.

True that. So far the pattern is always the same: Someone (with usually a full set of DA games or at least Inquisition under their avatar) posts something related to TW3, which is followed by a bunch of another persons at least two times in a row. Frustrated TW haters and TW fans alike flock to the thread like seagull, and it gets locked or ignored after 6 pages. Rinse and repeat.
 
Meanwhile, in the Feedback thread there are almost 270 pages of people discuss the ups and downs of the game in polite manner (mostly how would Bioware benefit from CDPR, yes I know some backwards, thickheaded fanboys don't want that, but it's happening anyway)
 
I am kinda curious as to why this keeps happening.  Sure, if it was a stream of newly joined users with no games, I would probably think it's some kind of a troll raid. But most of them seem to have legitimately played both and are making comparisons. Shame that in a wrong place and at a wrong time.
All they do by this is putting TW in a bad light.
 
So again people, right here. USE IT! It's not even buried that far in the forum or something, and is usually the first thread I see in the Feedback section.
 
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Feedback... be more like The Witcher 3 thread

[hoechlbear]

Soooo... you agree with me then? My point was that the DA:I environs are prettier, more exotic and have more variance. Don't get me wrong, TW3 has some stunning areas too, Kaer Morhen is now my No.1 fantasy location to live at, provided there were no monsters or murderous mobs of zealots obviously.

 

 

I agree that DAI's worlds are pretty, I think most people do, but like I said, I don't play games for the prettiness. I value the story more, I prefer DAO over DAI a million times over and its environments are nothing special. Besides, DAI's worlds feel more like a pretty picture rather than an actual world because everything is static, colorful and "clean". I don't agree that TW3's worlds are "more of the same" since you get different areas, forests, swamps, mountains, islands PLUS you get night and day cycle and weather as well as several villages with dozens of NPCs and a big city to explore, therefore I prefer the world of TW3 over DAI just because it feels alive. Not to mention it also has some pretty good sights, just search on google "the witcher 3 screenshoots".

[Xetykins]

The fact that that TW3-DAI thread on the feedback section is still open after 260+ pages gives me hope for the next DA. Makes me think they're probably taking in the good and the bad, which is a lot more than I can say to the die hard fans.

[sammael]

I agree that DAI's worlds are pretty, I think most people do, but like I said, I don't play games for the prettiness. I value the story more, I prefer DAO over DAI a million times over and its environments are nothing special. Besides, DAI's worlds feel more like a pretty picture rather than an actual world because everything is static, colorful and "clean". I don't agree that TW3's worlds are "more of the same" since you get different areas, forests, swamps, mountains, islands PLUS you get night and day cycle and weather as well as several villages with dozens of NPCs and a big city to explore, therefore I prefer the world of TW3 over DAI just because it feels alive. Not to mention it also has some pretty good sights, just search on google "the witcher 3 screenshoots".

A really good Point,i personally fealt  that DA:I was to much, to bigg and that they focused on the wrong things, i sometimes got the same fealing in TW3 when running around, but not as much, i personally loved the earlier DA games, both origina and 2 becouse of their intriging plot and interresting charachters, dident get that as much with DA:I while i Think TW3 managed it in a really awesome way, so much emotion between the characters in both gameplay and specially the cutscences

[Kleon]

There are so many "TW3 is better than DAI" threads because TW3 is simply miles better than DAI. 

 

BioWare created a huge game with nothing in it. TW3 offers more diverse stories, more story in general, more interesting NPCs in Novigrad alone. You still get a lot more of the story in all other areas of the game to the point that DAI looks like a bad attempt at trolling. 

 

Really, just compare the number of cities and villages in TW3 to number of cities and villages in DAI. DAI is laughable and comical. The great capital of Orlais is one small map frozen in time with nothing to offer.

 

DAI fetch quests are an insult to anyone who bought the game, while TW3 gives every small quest an actual story. 

 

One could keep on commenting how bad DAI is and point out how much better TW3 is for a long time, because when you play TW3 you can just see the amount of work and detail that was put there, while when you play DAI there is really nothing besides maybe 5 hours of a story in over 100 hours of pointless running around fetching things without even a short conversation with an NPC or a cutscene , because majority of DAI is just an empty, lifeless map. 

[correctamundo]

Oh boy and here comes another fanboy to the rescue.

[sammael]

There are so many "TW3 is better than DAI" threads because TW3 is simply miles better than DAI. 

 

BioWare created a huge game with nothing in it. TW3 offers more diverse stories, more story in general, more interesting NPCs in Novigrad alone. You still get a lot more of the story in all other areas of the game to the point that DAI looks like a bad attempt at trolling. 

 

Really, just compare the number of cities and villages in TW3 to number of cities and villages in DAI. DAI is laughable and comical. The great capital of Orlais is one small map frozen in time with nothing to offer.

 

DAI fetch quests are an insult to anyone who bought the game, while TW3 gives every small quest an actual story. 

 

One could keep on commenting how bad DAI is and point out how much better TW3 is for a long time, because when you play TW3 you can just see the amount of work and detail that was put there, while when you play DAI there is really nothing besides maybe 5 hours of a story in over 100 hours of pointless running around fetching things without even a short conversation with an NPC or a cutscene , because majority of DAI is just an empty, lifeless map. 

i cant say how dissapointed i was at DA:I i mean the previouse games was so damn good, and i couldent really accept all the negative Review that this game got and stil, bought it with high hopes,that it would be an epic journey in the same way i got with TW3. They could easily remove 2-3 areas and put alot more effort in actually creating something in the areas, stormy cost is a fine example of a useless area, only thing you do there for the main quets is to get 4 scrolls or whatever when you search for the lost wardens, could easily have been done in any other are of the game, put some villages and interactable NPC´s would have made wonders for this game alone, and remove the damn Power system to ublock new areas, totally pointless to have

[Cyberstrike nTo]

DA:I > The Witcher 3 

[Sunnie]

There are so many "TW3 is better than DAI" threads because TW3 is simply miles better than DAI. 

 

BioWare created a huge game with nothing in it. TW3 offers more diverse stories, more story in general, more interesting NPCs in Novigrad alone. You still get a lot more of the story in all other areas of the game to the point that DAI looks like a bad attempt at trolling. 

 

Really, just compare the number of cities and villages in TW3 to number of cities and villages in DAI. DAI is laughable and comical. The great capital of Orlais is one small map frozen in time with nothing to offer.

 

DAI fetch quests are an insult to anyone who bought the game, while TW3 gives every small quest an actual story. 

 

One could keep on commenting how bad DAI is and point out how much better TW3 is for a long time, because when you play TW3 you can just see the amount of work and detail that was put there, while when you play DAI there is really nothing besides maybe 5 hours of a story in over 100 hours of pointless running around fetching things without even a short conversation with an NPC or a cutscene , because majority of DAI is just an empty, lifeless map. 

Everything here is subjective and is your opinion only. There are just as many people that feel Inquisition was better all around, but you don't see them over on the CDPR forum trolling their fan base making dozens of threads.

There is an actual constructive thread in Feedback for this subject, yet we keep seeing these threads pop up all over this forum. They all say the same thing, and end up with the same fights between the same people. Enough is enough already.  I really hope the mods get off their asses and start closing these things down since they technically violate forum rules.

[robertthebard]

Doesn't matter how many excuses people come up with, The Witcher is not valid subject matter for these forums. The proper place would be in an Off-Topic section, only there isn't one because BioWare changed all the forum rules when they switched over to this forum last year and they now desire everything to be ON-TOPIC, even in private groups. Create a group and not discuss a BioWare product and it gets the axe by an Admin. I hate to beat people over the head with the rules, but...
 
 
 
The Witcher is not BioWare developed content nor is it related to BioWare developed content. Excuses will never change that fact.

Actually, there is an Off Topic section here. Of course, these threads won't appear there because, gasp, they wouldn't be able to troll the spoiler section of DA I. I don't care what games people like or don't like, I didn't come here to debate the merits of one game over another, and I'm far from obsessed with trying to prove that one developer is better than another; I came here to read about and discuss Dragon Age, and in the Spoiler section of the Dragon Age forums, that's what I expect to do. Instead, what I see are Witcher fanbois that have become the exact same as WoW's fanboys, going to every game forum lamenting that the game isn't WoW/The Witcher. I could literally substitute WoW for TW 3 in every one of these threads that pops up and not be able to tell the difference between the Witcher trolls and the WoW trolls.

Edit: Oh the irony of posting in a thread only to find that "Hey, I guess it is off topic, since it's been moved to Off Topic" eh?

Modifié par robertthebard, 19 juillet 2015 - 04:18 .