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[Cheylus]

At least Corypheus is clever enough to actually have a plan and achieve something. He got out of prison, found an orb and tricked an elven god, he killed a Divine, he got either the Templars or the Mages, he has a plan to kill Celene and destabilize Orlais, he destroyed Haven and can make you exile Wardens out of Orlais. 

They wanted some kind of Marvel villain and they did it right.

 

I have no idea what CDPR tried to achieve with Eredin and the whole Wild Hunt. 

They burnt a little village with 20 inhabitants; they attacked another village elsewhere and killed some men. They killed someone you know because the plot needs to make them bad enough for you to care. 

Eredin is why TW3, while having good "side stories", has no backbone. It's not like "Wild Hunt" is on the cover of the game after all. 

 

edit: @MisterJB

(about Radovid: absolutely) Especially with the witch hunters. Both DA2 and TW2 introduces a "mage hunt" for their respective sequel, what DA:I did with it was pretty mediocre, but still better than what TW3 did. 

 

It's like CDPR wanted to pick the worst ideas.

 

"Ok guys, what should we do with Radovid?"

"I liked Meredith in DA2."

 

"So, what should we do with the White Frost?"

"Let's make Ciri enter a beam out of nowhere, kill a Marauder with her Carnifex and choose what to do with the universe?"

[Dermain]

Did the mods decide to banish this thread to off topic from elsewhere?

 

Why do they punish us so?!

[The Hierophant]

Did the mods decide to banish this thread to off topic from elsewhere?

 

Why do they punish us so?!

I guess they've decided that we're this forum's trash dump.

[sammael]

First, shall we look at the main villain?

 

Corypheus has few lines and a great number of them are "I will be a god".

With that being said, we do receive hints at the why he doing all of this in Calpernia's quests (he longs to gives the world a purpose) and, ultimately, he is just a better villain.

He had allies in both the mages and the Templars' camps with clear plans on how to add them to his army. He manipulated the Wardens into summoning an army for him. He sought to assassinate the Empress and blame it on the one person who could keep stability after her death in order to soften Orlais for the invasion by his force. These plans are actually reminiscent of Emhyr's in TW2.

Basically, Corypheus has multiple plots complementing each other through Thedas which are intricrate and believable.

 

Eredin runs after Ciri and has...five lines outside of combat? His whole plan is "We teleport to where Ciri is and grab her"

 

Clearly, Corypheus is the better villain.

I can understand that Point there, since corypheus is intruduced already in DA:2, (dont remember the name of the dlc) its actually hard to understand the whole thing behind the wild hunt, what they are and why ciri is so important to them, and especially what happened during ciris time at tir ná lia and what they were trying to do with her, and for me personally its a big fault from CDPR. Sure you get a few hints during TW3, but if you havent read the books that part can be hard to follow or completly understand. And not many likes the third act, even CDPR admits that they were not totally happy with how they made it, could have done it so much better insteed of rushing it.

 

And personally i dont feal that they need better political part of the game since that is not really what its about compared to DA:I where the whole game is political, intrigues and forming Alliances and whatever, but all that is even pointless in DA:I since you, in the end have no use of all the armeis you build and allies you gathered, could have made the final part so much more, in that Point i Think both games failed tho i Think DA:I failed more and fell totally flat.

[Br3admax]

I'm kind of eh on this. The story can sound as great as it wants to on paper(concepts), but the execution is all that matters. In theory, DA:I would have a much better story, but it's execution is forgettable, and the world is set in is boring. Whereas in the Witcher 3, which became the Finding Nemo of the trilogy, the character interactions and the protagonist were able to hold up a plot that basically amounted to hide and seek. There was a lot less pandering as well, which is always a plus. The less stories about senseless oppression the better. Not to say the Witcher 3 doesn't have oppression, the outcries of the oppressed just made far more sense. I cared about what happened to pretty much all of Geralt's friends throughout the story, even Triss who used amnesia to finally get laid, which is completely forgivable. The fact that most of DA:I's story is forgettable is actually very disappointing, and the fact that most of Cory's actual character development isn't even available to a large portion of players, those who side with the mages, is inexcusable. No semblance of a need for uniting with anyone, or to do anything. Even when we were pressed, we were actually winning, see Adamant. Hell see Haven, where despite a grueling defeat, we come out on top(We take relatively few losses and Cory loses the vast majority of his army in one battle). Orlesian politics and the Game were reduced to a scavenger hunt, and the Orlesian nobility was turned into a bunch of literal idiots. Just for fun, we even got to go give Corypheus another wedgie, which is always nice. And then, it was over. DA:I is a game of wasted potential. One I enjoyed for the time I played it, but one that I simply have not been able to force myself to play through again once I completed it, no matter how hard I've tried. 

 

What really seals the deal for the Witcher though, is that I don't fall asleep during the combat, but that's a little OT. 

[ruggly]

I can understand that Point there, since corypheus is intruduced already in DA:2, (dont remember the name of the dlc)

 

Legacy.

[zestalyn]

While you're on the topic of villains, I just wanna say I had to google to make sure Eredin and the Wild Hunt were the same thing

I don't read alot of the non-quest related books, but I pay alot of attention to everything else, dialogue, cutscenes, notes/letters, you name it, I don't skip anything. I feel TW3 could have done a better job making these details more clear to new players. The majority of the game strictly refers to the Wild Hunt as...the Wild Hunt. It was only when I found Ciri that I understood "Eredin" was actually the leader of the Wild Hunt, lol. Of course, as of now, I do remember that being mentioned somewhere in the early beginnings of the game, but that feels like 100 hours ago The politics were also a bit hard to follow. I needed to google to remind myself who the heck the "North" and "South" were, what the "black flags" were, and whatever other informal references to political bodies they constantly threw around, as well what Temeria is.

 

I can't compare this to DA obviously, since I've played all 3 games. But what I do know is that Bioware is quite good to bringing in new players to a complicated game world. Without playing ME1, ME2 hooked me immediately and I barely did outside research while playing the game. My friend and I both played DA2 before DA1 and we were hooked immediately and had a seamless time understanding the political/social on goings within Kirkwall.

I didn't read Masked Empire, but I found it easy to unerstand who Celeene, Gaspard, etc were. The game makes it very clear what Orlais/Ferelden is about from the start of the game, thanks to the war table menu, and of course from general dialogue. Corypheus was pretty clear to understand, as well. He had an intense cinematic introduction, and thankfully only went by one name lol .

[Mr.House]

CDP dropped the ball big time with Eredin(who was a fantastic character in the books), this also makes it worse when they whitewashed Avalac'h and FORCED you to work with him, which sure non-book readers won't have issues with that, but as a book reader I know what this bastard did, and he is faaaaar more evil then Eredin ever was. Also don't get me started on the white frost and Ciri's powers retcons. Ugh, act 3 is just a complete and utter mess.

[sammael]

I can't compare this to DA obviously, since I've played all 3 games. But what I do know is that Bioware is quite good to bringing in new players to a complicated game world. Without playing ME1, ME2 hooked me immediately and I barely did outside research while playing the game. My friend and I both played DA2 before DA1 and we were hooked immediately and had a seamless time understanding the political/social on goings within Kirkwall.

I didn't read Masked Empire, but I found it easy to unerstand who Celeene, Gaspard, etc were. The game makes it very clear what Orlais/Ferelden is about from the start of the game, thanks to the war table menu, and of course from general dialogue. Corypheus was pretty clear to understand, as well. He had an intense cinematic introduction, and thankfully only went by one name lol .

Well the thing is that DA is 3 different games just set in the same World wich makes it easier to get into it w/o playing the previously titels or having any sort pre knowladge of the game itself while TW is a triology, wich you kinda need to play the other games, or read the books to understand the relationship between all the characters and who the different leaders are etc, so that is kinda understandable.

 

[sammael]

CDP dropped the ball big time with Eredin(who was a fantastic character in the books), this also makes it worse when they whitewashed Avalac'h and FORCED you to work with him, which sure non-book readers won't have issues with that, but as a book reader I know what this bastard did, and he is faaaaar more evil then Eredin ever was. Also don't get me started on the white frost and Ciri's powers retcons. Ugh, act 3 is just a complete and utter mess.

totally agree with this, i personally never saw eridin as "the bad guy", avalac´h on the other hand, hes the real evil behind it all and now you were forced to allie yourself with him, all acharacters acted like they dident know who he was, really big fail from CDPR, as pretty much every one else i hated act 3, act 1+2, specfially the bloody baron part was pure masterwork.

 

[Luqer]

Corypheus is like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Every time he appears, its so we can see him be defeated and humiliated.

 

Eredin is the equivalent of Darth Vader. Leads from the front (occasionally), gets **** done by himself and even killed the protagonist's mentor. Corypheus failed to even kill anyone legitimately close to the protagonist.

 

To hell with backstory. I prefer villains that actually intimidate me! I'd take Darth Vader (Eredin) over Sidious (Corypheus) any day!

[Mr.House]

Corypheus is like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Every time he appears, its so we can see him be defeated and humiliated.

 

Eredin is the equivalent of Darth Vader. Leads from the front (occasionally), gets **** done by himself and even killed the protagonist's mentor. Corypheus failed to even kill anyone legitimately close to the protagonist.

 

To hell with backstory. I prefer villains that actually intimidate me! I'd take Darth Vader (Eredin) over Sidious (Corypheus) any day!

Yeah no. Both where bad but Cory was better then Eredin because Cory was never reduced to a joke, nor had his past or motives changed or hidden to whitewash another character(Avalac'h) Cory also didn't have 12 lines and five minutes of screen time.

[Mr.House]

DAI has better technical stuff(water, lighting and particle effects) prologue, politics and continuity with the past games.

TW3 has a better world, better quest design, art design and alot more depth.

 

Both have bad climaxes.

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 20 juillet 2015 - 08:13 .

[Heimdall]

Yeah no. Both where bad but Cory was better then Eredin because Cory was never reduced to a joke, nor had his past or motives changed or hidden to whitewash another character(Avalac'h) Cory also didn't have 12 lines and five minutes of screen time.

Well, Cory was a bit of a joke in that he didn't feel like that much of a threat by the end.  If there was one thing CDPR did right with Eredin, it was maintaining the sense that he was actually a threat.

 

But that was it, he was still a joke for other reasons.

[Rawgrim]

Cory was passive. He did absolutely nothing while the inquisitor picked each of his plans apart. He just sat there.

 

The Witcher 3 wins by 18 million lightyears.

[Mr.House]

Well, Cory was a bit of a joke in that he didn't feel like that much of a threat by the end.  If there was one thing CDPR did right with Eredin, it was maintaining the sense that he was actually a threat.

 

But that was it, he was still a joke for other reasons.

TW3 Eredin is a very sore subject with me as he was one of my fav characters in the books, I adored him in the first game and to see him reduce to what he was in TW3 just ruins it for me. Cory on the other hand didn't have all this built up or hype for me, so I can forgive this far more then how CDP treated Eredin and how they whitewashed Avalac'h.

[Elhanan]

Wanted Cory; got Cory. Am very pleased with the results. Any magister Darkspawn that is able to float part of a mountain and summon a Dragon as a magic Jar is a good enough villain for myself. And no running thru mazes this time.

[sammael]

TW3 Eredin is a very sore subject with me as he was one of my fav characters in the books, I adored him in the first game and to see him reduce to what he was in TW3 just ruins it for me. Cory on the other hand didn't have all this built up or hype for me, so I can forgive this far more then how CDP treated Eredin and how they whitewashed Avalac'h.

gotta agree with this, one thing CDPR did wrong was how they handled eridin and avalac´h, eridin was so much more in the books and avalac´h was not one of the "good guys" trying to help, he was the one who keept ciri prisoner on tir ná lia to force to conceive a Child with their king to get her powers. cory never seamed like a real threat at any point in the game, not even after we lost haven, that was still a victory.

 

And the combat in DA:I was also a joke, they removed all tactical options from the previous games, removed almost all sorts of healing making it just Another kill as much as possible Before you run out of potions, teleport back to camp, rince and repeat, yea sure you could cast barrier, but it was so damn lame it made no diff on higher levels anyway

 

[TheChris92]

Corypheus struck me as a Saturday Morning cartoon villain more or less due to his self-agrandizing monologues and lack of duality in regards to overall diposition. It's not so much that he's over-the-top evil as it is the game's insistence on painting him as this cunning schemer who manipulates people of all factions to help fulfill his goals, mostly when he's not present as he spends most of the time stomping on fluffy little easter chicks off-screen -- when he's actually present he comes off as rather hammy. The Architect had layers, Corypheus does not, he's just cartoonishly villainous because someone has to be.

 

I don't know nothing about the Witcher 3... yet anyway, but that's generally my impression of the one from Inquisition. Although, even if he was as juvenile as a 14 year old, in terms of being a villain, I still enjoyed the game a lot.

[Mr.House]

Corypheus struck me as a Saturday Morning cartoon villain more or less due to his self-agrandizing monologues and lack of duality in regards to overall diposition. It's not so much that he's over-the-top evil as it is the game's insistence on painting him as this cunning schemer who manipulates people of all factions to help fulfill his goals, mostly when he's not present as he spends most of the time stomping on fluffy little easter chicks off-screen -- when he's actually present he comes off as rather hammy. The Architect had layers, Corypheus does not, he's just cartoonishly villainous because someone has to be.

 

I don't know nothing about the Witcher 3... yet anyway, but that's generally my impression of the one from Inquisition. Although, even if he was as juvenile as a 14 year old, in terms of being a villain, I still enjoyed the game a lot.

Eredin has 12 lines in the whole game that are either horrible one liners or DEATH without any of his character from the books or the first game. I'll take Cory over TW3 Eredin.

[Dreadstruck]

I am still baffled why Eredin had so little dialogue in comparison to former TW bosses like Jacques de Aldersberg or Letho. The ending conversations with them were possibly above 10 minutes and were very interesting, exhausting, informative and concluding.

 

On the other hand, Eredin not sharing his plans with you or overly gloating like Jacques or Letho is ironically logical from a common sense standpoint. He's just there to kill you, the lowly D'hoine, capture the Elder Blood and go home. Doesn't sound too exciting, I know.

 

I had a feeling they were counting on his backstory from books a little bit too much or wanted to have another character with the presence of LOTR movie Sauron (means that for an average movie-watcher who didn't read the books, he's just the big bad in black armor). But alas, he ended up to be pretty lackluster and so did his final battle.  Heck even Imlerith posed a bigger challenge to me, and he was supposedly last of the two officers.

 

.. he does have some pretty sweet after-teleport roundhouse kicks though.

[RepHope]

Eredin has 12 lines in the whole game that are either horrible one liners or DEATH without any of his character from the books or the first game. I'll take Cory over TW3 Eredin.

Lol yeah both Cory and Eredin were wasted potential. Neither one got enough proper screentime to really develop beyond "I'm the bad guy!". That said W3 left me very excited for the future of the franchise and has much more variability in it's endings than DA:I. Overall despite it's flaws I was never bored playing the Witcher 3 like I oftentimes was playing DA:I.

 

I just hope Ciri does end up being the next protagonist. Character creation doesn't really fit the Witcher.

[Mr.House]

Lol yeah both Cory and Eredin were wasted potential. Neither one got enough proper screentime to really develop beyond "I'm the bad guy!". That said W3 left me very excited for the future of the franchise and has much more variability in it's endings than DA:I. Overall despite it's flaws I was never bored playing the Witcher 3 like I oftentimes was playing DA:I.

 

I just hope Ciri does end up being the next protagonist. Character creation doesn't really fit the Witcher.

"The king is dead, long live the king." is my fav horrible one liner. I've seen fan fics with better lines.

[Dreadstruck]

"The king is dead, long live the king." is my fav horrible one liner. I've seen fan fics with better lines.

 

I think the worst thing actually is that in the books it was more of an accident of what happened.

 

In the game they just went with the full "I did that, I am so evil muhaha" path. Felt kinda inconsistent. And cheap

[Mr.House]

I think the worst thing actually is that in the books it was more of an accident of what happened.

 

In the game they just went with the full "I did that, I am so evil muhaha" path. Felt kinda inconsistent. And cheap

They also skipped the fact that

 

Spoiler

By Eredin doing that, he stopped the former king and Avalac'h from impregnating Ciri.

But nope, like many things for Avalac'h it's swept under the rug and he's now just a walking joke who spews one liners.