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[conglomerator]

After having played through ME2 twice already, with different endings, I started thinking about the true role of the Illusive Man in the war that is to come. Besides his obviously strange behaviour and generosity, you can get a glimpse of his true intentions if choose to destroy the Collector base at the end. He orders Miranda to try and stop you. She told him to sod off and backed me up, and the Illusive Man said that I will very much regret that decision.

Now, Miranda was loyal to me so I imagine it would play out differently if she was not. Perhaps she would challenge me and I would have to fight her, but regardless, it seems that there is a LOT more to the Illusive Man that meets the eye. His true intentions are for now unknown, but from various pieces of information and character comments it becomes clear that his whole "humanity's best interests" drill is a load of bollocks.

Thoughts?

Modifié par conglomerator, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:56 .

[packardbell]

Here is a quote if you choose to destroy the base 'Cerberus strength is Humanity' or sometihng along those lines (I'm pretty sleep deprived at the moment).



He is definitely looking out for number one.

[DigitalMaster37]

To your thought of if Miranda will turn on you if not loyal, I would really like to know what happens. That would be pretty cool.

[Corti78]

The whole pro-human stuff is nothing but lies. Right from the start you know something is off about the guy and the end basically confirms it. The only thing that concerns him is his own goals and Cerberus dominating the galaxy.
The only reason he brought Shepard back is because that was the only way he had any chance at getting hold of some collector/reaper tech and data it seems.

For those of us that went against him I see him posing a problem in ME3. Though I'll have no problem putting a bullet between his eyes if I'm given the chance.

Modifié par Corti78, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:03 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Corti78 wrote...

The whole pro-human stuff is nothing but lies. Right from the start you know something is off about the guy and the end basically confirms it. The only thing that concerns him is his own goals and Cerberus dominating the galaxy.
The only reason he brought Shepard back is because that was the only way he had any chance at getting hold of some collector/reaper tech and data it seems.

For those of us that went against him I see him posing a problem in ME3. Though I'll have no problem putting a bullet between his eyes if I'm given the chance.

I second that and I will say that I am sure he will pose a problem in ME3. My concern though is for the safety of Miranda and Jacob. They are gonna be hunted now you can bet. I just hope we(Sheperd) get a chance to thwart that attack.

[conglomerator]

Also, after destroying the collector base one of my crew members (I think it was Joker) commented that by doing so we have likely earned a very powerful enemy in the face of Cerberus and the Illusive Man.



And on my first playthrough, when I chose to save the collector base, pretty much the entire crew was critical of that decision, even Miranda.

[conglomerator]

I'm also curious how the Illusive Man would react if Shepard and his whole team died and the Collector base was destroyed...

[xMister Vx]

That is interesting to say the least. There's definitely something strange about him... I'm inclined to think he'll be a more or less typical villain with apparently noble intentions who intends to sacrifice so much that it basically nullifies any positive effect from them... but I hope BioWare can stay outside cliche territory.

On the other hand, he knew the risk he was taking. He specifically ordered Shepard to be restored with the same morality.

[Annora]

I was half-expecting to find out a Reaper was controlling him like the Collectors. I feel bad about giving him the ship, but it technically made sense. If you could just cut him out of the picture... but then the Council wouldn't do a damn thing with the Collector ship, either. They have their heads so far up their asses denying the existence of what attacked the god damn Citadel.

[reinhart_menken]

Yeah I gave him the collector's base too, though given the choice I would have given it to the Alliance. I agreed with him that it was a great opportunity to get our hands on the tech (scientists and military would agree), though I didn't trust him to do the right things. Still, it was better that half-having the base than having nothing to show for. At least one might be able to get it back (though I doubt Bioware would implement such drastic paths).

I actually bought his pro-human act because I've seen it so much in sci-fi series so I thought Bioware was going that direction with him.

Modifié par reinhart_menken, 27 janvier 2010 - 10:58 .

[Corti78]

Thats the great thing about blowing the base. You still have something to show for it. Shepard and crew actually take all the data that was in the collectors base but do not hand it over to TIM. Its on the data pad Joker hands Shepard at the end.

[conglomerator]

BTW has anyone noticed that the Illusive Man's face appears very briefly in the crack in the roof a few moments before you contact him from the Collector base? It's as if he is spying on you from outer space... On my first playthrough I thought I was just seeing things, but on my second it happened again so it's either a graphics bug or a somewhat hidden, but intended hint. I'll try to take screenshots the next time I play through the suicide mission.

[Locoluke]

Maybe he is being controlled by the reapers, subliminally. The tech which you bring on board in order to go through the omega relay was able to do quite a bit of damage, even when perceived inactive. Imagine the consequences if we were to integrate the same unknown reaper technology into EVERY alliance fleet vessel, convinced it would help us defeat the reapers? I didn't think the risk was worth the possible game. Besides, you're the hero who can beat impossible odds. Who's to say that in ME3 you won't find a way to beat the reapers without integrating their technology? I can easily see Shepherd and the ship AI commandeering the "boss" reaper or something and either permanently disabling them all or otherwise render them incapable of eliminating / using organic life at their pleasure.

[JudgeQwerty]

I like how the further you get into the the game, he solwly goes from a charismatic but practical defender of humanity with handsome auburn looks to scheming, old man with delusions of grandeur. Norice he actually drops the auburn glowlight and handsome looks to reveal himself as a tired, gray-haired man racing afgainst time to save his legacy.



Or at least that's my interpretation.

[conglomerator]

And what's wrong with his eyes? Is he even human?

[MilosMilos]

I would assume hes been augmented with the best tech money can buy, if he spent billions on shepard imagine what he would do for himself

Modifié par MilosMilos, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:04 .

[marshalleck]

Even my renegade Shepard wouldn't hand over the Collector base. He's all for defending humanity and advancing their interests and unlocking potential, but a Collector base? Seriously? It's completely insane. Talk about playing with fire...

[vallix]

Miranda was not loyal to me, and I chose to destroy the base. However, an order for her to stop me was never sent to her.

[luet1991]

vallix wrote...

Miranda was not loyal to me, and I chose to destroy the base. However, an order for her to stop me was never sent to her.

My bet Joker or EDI cut off the com so she wouldn't get the order. Farfetched, but I don't see why he would try to tell a loyal Miranda to stop Sheperd, but not one that is loyal to TIM.

[Bullet Preacher]

Did anyone notice Saren had similar eyes to him, or is it just me?

[ahall88]

conglomerator wrote...

BTW has anyone noticed that the Illusive Man's face appears very briefly in the crack in the roof a few moments before you contact him from the Collector base? It's as if he is spying on you from outer space... On my first playthrough I thought I was just seeing things, but on my second it happened again so it's either a graphics bug or a somewhat hidden, but intended hint. I'll try to take screenshots the next time I play through the suicide mission.

I saw that as well. I was like WTF!
Do we even know where the hell his little room is? 
Hell this could just be some giant game of chess where one side controlled the Collector's and the other tried out the humans, or something to that effect.

[Atti Ito]

ahall88 wrote...

conglomerator wrote...

BTW has anyone noticed that the Illusive Man's face appears very briefly in the crack in the roof a few moments before you contact him from the Collector base? It's as if he is spying on you from outer space... On my first playthrough I thought I was just seeing things, but on my second it happened again so it's either a graphics bug or a somewhat hidden, but intended hint. I'll try to take screenshots the next time I play through the suicide mission.

I saw that as well. I was like WTF!
Do we even know where the hell his little room is? 
Hell this could just be some giant game of chess where one side controlled the Collector's and the other tried out the humans, or something to that effect.

Maybe he's really the G-man...

"Wake up Commander...wake up and smell the ashes..."