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[Brenn86]

Just finished it. I have to say the illusive man definitely has a hidden agenda. I won't go so far as to say he is a reaper HOWEVER he could be geth, a human form geth from the heretics.



I think what scared me the most though was the final scene in the cinematic....that was alot of dreadnoughts.....alot.......like...really alot.....

[conglomerator]

If Shepard and his team die, but save the base, the last few moments of the game show Illusive Man smiling as the huge reaper fleet approaches...

[Morachnus]

conglomerator wrote...

BTW has anyone noticed that the Illusive Man's face appears very briefly in the crack in the roof a few moments before you contact him from the Collector base? It's as if he is spying on you from outer space... On my first playthrough I thought I was just seeing things, but on my second it happened again so it's either a graphics bug or a somewhat hidden, but intended hint. I'll try to take screenshots the next time I play through the suicide mission.

HAHA YES! The first time it scared the crap out of me! I thought i was seeing stuff cause I was so tired, but nope. It was there in round 2. Funny stuff Bioware...funny stuff...

[jeckaldied]

I personally think the Illusive man maybe working with a yet unseen threat, Soveriegn was too full of itself to give itself the air of anything other than a two dimensional kill machine. Harbinger however, was different.



If you listen to his tauntings throughout the encounters with him, he frequently sounds reluctant saying things like he'll kill you if he has too and things of that nature, and at the end, as the base is about to go off (either the radiation or the explosion) he says that humanities fate is still the same, it will be saved through destruction (or something like that).



To me it sounds like the Reapers come ever 50,000 years, and build a Reaper or two out of each race, or at least the ones they find worthy. From harbinger's comment about being saved (or a similar word), it would seem that by turning a large population of a race into a reaper, they can preserve it's legacy from...something.



Harbinger seems to very much want to make a human Reaper, since he says at the end he will find another way.



I think that the first Reaper was a race that intended to preserve itself from something by turning it's population into a single, massive entity, and every 50,000 years, they try to 'save' more races that way. Perhaps the Illusive man is working with this other threat, whatever it maybe, for whatever goals it may have.



No matter what his real intentions are, I think the Illusive man is either a full partner with whatever mysterious allies he may have, or he may be being tricked into thinking he's got equal power, for he certainly does not seem the type to serve, like Saren was.

[NaitoNii]

he's a strange person. One side off me agrees with his Pro-Human agenda, though he doesn't seem to look down upon other species. Though the otherside always remains wary of his true intentions.



I saved the station, knowledge is power, right? He didn't sounded "evil" at all at the end, he sounded quite genuine to me, but then again, it may all be an act on his behalf.



I'm curious on how we're gonna stop their armada.. don't think we have enough nukes for that.

[Arcadionn]

He is deffinately up to something... I do not trust him at all. I wish you could take Jack's advice and go pirate "so much credits".

Regarding the reapers, when Harbinger "taunts" that humanity will only be saved through destruction; he could be implying:

A) Reapers are coming. Humans are worthy of assimilation into one of them, accept it or you'll be whiped out like the rest of the galactic species.

You can only survive x event if you let us do that to you... HUGE sacrifice to eventually "save" your species from actual extinction.

Who knows, maybe the Protheans were not compatible with reaper making processes and they were repurposed. This makes me anxious for 2012 for ME2 (I won't make it.... I need it NOW!)

Modifié par Arcadionn, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:10 .

[kailath]

My renegade Shepard saved the base and passed it to him, however I found myself regretting that choice.



In the end I redid the mission (also to save the rest of my squad, 2 died in my first try) and blew up the base, which felt like the more appropriate thing to do. Hopefully I'll be able to use both saves to import into ME3 so I can see what happens.

[Chrisimo79]

I think the Illusive Man's agenda is just what it seems: He is a powerhungry human who wants humanity be the dominant species and himself to be the dominant human or at least as influential as he is now

[conglomerator]

I remember how negative my entire team was about my decision to save the base. Being a bunch of very different characters with vastly differing personalities it's strange that they all agreed on a single thing - that the base should have been destroyed. In fact, the only person who was happy about saving the Collector base was the Illusive Man.

[Chrisimo79]

I wish there was an option to save the base and give it to the Citadel...

[Annora]

Chrisimo79 wrote...

I wish there was an option to save the base and give it to the Citadel...

So they could deny a Reaper threat and say the Collector's were working by themselves?

[CynixV]

well I personally think the illusive man is still very pro human regardless of the "eyes" . I think he wants to continue the reapers eradication but instead using the reapers as pawns and leaving humanity the sole survivor.

[vallix]

Anastassia wrote...

Chrisimo79 wrote...

I wish there was an option to save the base and give it to the Citadel...

So they could deny a Reaper threat and say the Collector's were working by themselves?

I laughed, but then I realized that was probably accurate.

[reinhart_menken]

Corti78 wrote...

Thats the great thing about blowing the base. You still have something to show for it. Shepard and crew actually take all the data that was in the collectors base but do not hand it over to TIM. Its on the data pad Joker hands Shepard at the end.

Really? I had thought that's how it would turn out, or else I'd have revisited my save point at when a biotic was needed to shield the team. Now I'll have an even more perfect save Realistically thought, I still think having physical samples of the techs would be better, unless in ME universe they have technology sophisticated enough to scan the entire base's in it's entirety down to its physical makeup (though unlikely, seeing as how they have difficulty just reverse engineering certain advance weaponry).

conglomerator wrote...

If Shepard and his team die, but
save the base, the last few moments of the game show Illusive Man
smiling as the huge reaper fleet approaches...

Wow, that's one revealing plot that's easily missed.

[Korsriddare]

I am more curious about the state of the star behind him, seeing how it is now white-ish blue. Seems like it was forcefully aged, perhaps? Like what was happening in the system you rescued Tali from, but on a much faster time scale.

[OriginalTibs]

I suspect the illusive man is the holoprojection of a self-aware composite AI/VI. It is his agenda that puzzles me. Vengeful pride?  

[jeckaldied]

OriginalTibs wrote...

I suspect the illusive man is the holoprojection of a self-aware composite AI/VI. It is his agenda that puzzles me. Vengeful pride?  

The first scene when you start a new game has Miranda in his office next to him, and he also get's handed a report and proceeds to give it back, so he is deffinitly a real person, and not a hologram.

[conglomerator]

Speaking of Alliance...



During one of the first story missions, you recover some encrypted Cerberus data. You have an option of sending it to Alliance, Cerberus or keeping it for yourself. For my first playthrough I chose to keep it. Later I received an email from EDI saying that she began decrypting it and it would take approximately a year. I suspect decryption will probably finish during ME3...



On my second playthrough I sent the data to the Alliance. They later sent me an email with thanks, saying that while the data will take a considerable time to decrypt, they believe it will shed some light on Cerberus' dirty doings and will weaken them.



Has anyone sent the data back to Cerberus?

[Inverness Moon]

Korsriddare wrote...

I am more curious about the state of the star behind him, seeing how it is now white-ish blue. Seems like it was forcefully aged, perhaps? Like what was happening in the system you rescued Tali from, but on a much faster time scale.

The star behind him will be blue (paragon) if you destroy the collector station and red (renegade) if you preserve it.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 28 janvier 2010 - 08:13 .

[conglomerator]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Korsriddare wrote...

I am more curious about the state of the star behind him, seeing how it is now white-ish blue. Seems like it was forcefully aged, perhaps? Like what was happening in the system you rescued Tali from, but on a much faster time scale.

The star behind him will be blue (paragon) if you destroy the collector station and red (renegade) if you preserve it.

So depending on your choice for the Collector base, the star behind the Illusive Man will change it's colour? 

[CynixV]

Awww.. Thats what i missed didnt realize it change color depending on choices

I was wondering where my Red Planet Scene was from ME1

[xMister Vx]

^ It's just a gimmick I bet. Though it might be a sort of wall decoration, and not really a star, you know.



conglomerator - thanks for posting that. That is one crucial bit of info.

[conglomerator]

I think the star behind the Illusive Man rotates, is all. This is a screenshot taken right before the Horizon mission:



http://i48.tinypic.com/2yotlic.jpg



It's difficult to say for certain whether the start is red or blue because it's both, and it transitions constantly. So yeah, perhaps it is just a fancy gimmick, pure eye-candy...

[Nigawatts]

I do like to think that Cerberus was behind the sun destroying. It seems like a weapon they would come up with. Like Tali said it isn't really fit to become a weapon and the resources it would take would be staggering. Cerberus seems to be the place to go if you have a wild hair up your ass idea and need funding for it.



They fund these "Long shots" and some turn good (Shepard) and some turn bad (SuZe).