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[conglomerator]

Perhaps I am getting paranoid but the whole IFF story seems more and more suspicious to me the more I think about it. We know very little about The Illusive Man, but it seems to me that it's possible that his ultimate goal was for Shepard to capture the Collector base. He could orchestrate all the events leading up to the Collector base assault. Remember how he always had an edge on you, always one step ahead, always more informed, always arising suspicion but always thinking of more or less clever reasons for his actions.



Maybe that's why he gets so angry if you choose to destroy the base, perhaps he assumed that you would become his puppet and listen to him, leaving the base unharmed...

[Thalorin1919]

conglomerator wrote...

After having played through ME2 twice already, with different endings, I started thinking about the true role of the Illusive Man in the war that is to come. Besides his obviously strange behaviour and generosity, you can get a glimpse of his true intentions if choose to destroy the Collector base at the end. He orders Miranda to try and stop you. She told him to sod off and backed me up, and the Illusive Man said that I will very much regret that decision.

Now, Miranda was loyal to me so I imagine it would play out differently if she was not. Perhaps she would challenge me and I would have to fight her, but regardless, it seems that there is a LOT more to the Illusive Man that meets the eye. His true intentions are for now unknown, but from various pieces of information and character comments it becomes clear that his whole "humanity's best interests" drill is a load of bollocks.

Thoughts?

He might not have the most positive intentions, but I know one of his intentions is to save humanity. As a paragon, I did decide to keep the base.

Not destroying it would've pissed him off, then in ME3 you would be fighting Cerberus and the Reapers. Both powerful enemies.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[screwoffreg]

I think the ending choice is really complex as there really is no CLEAR Paragon and Renegade choice. You can make an argument for each, and the Illusive Man is nowhere near as bad as the Shadow Broker/Collectors/Reapers. I also think the Bioware team won't force you down a dark and evil road just because you saved the base. You might have tougher choices, but I imagine even with the base you can still get a good ending in ME 3.

[rines]

If anyone talked to EDI after the game, assuming you lived, she will tell you the parts that were previously blocked. Cerberus only has 150 operatives, 3 different divisions. Miranda ran a local cell as well, the Lazerous (spelling?) cell. She was also her best agent. Cerberus won't be much of a threat to Shepard right now (saying this because TIM said Shepard would "regret it"). TIM may be looking out for the good of humanity for all we know, but destroying that station is necessary in many ways. Keeping around is too high of a risk, his methods put lives in danger. I feel as though he has a hidden agenda and that we haven't seen the last of him.

[Medet]

Legion told me to keep the base so I did. He made a persuasive argument, why not data mine the rock for tech you can use against the old machines?



I figure if the illusive man does something I don't like with the base I could always track him down and bash his face in.

[Eradyn]

Grunt wanted me to save it. In one squad setup, Garrus did. I blew up the base regardless. Reaper tech is too dangerous, especially in the hands of Cerberus. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the derelict reaper.

[Pfor]

Medet wrote...

Legion told me to keep the base so I did. He made a persuasive argument, why not data mine the rock for tech you can use against the old machines?

I figure if the illusive man does something I don't like with the base I could always track him down and bash his face in.

I had Legion in my squad when I decided to blow it up and he was alright about it. He was all 'Dog, humans and geth, we cool'. And you can't bash the Illusive Man's face in! He's the president of cool. 

[screwoffreg]

Gosh, I am already having post-ME 2 depression and we have two years before the sequel comes out. Have to stop thinking about this game!

[seyera]

I actually associated the Illusive Man's eyes to the likes of Shepard's eye color. Shepard's eyes change color depending on if you are a Renegade or Paragon. It seemed to me that the Illusive Man's bright blue eyes resembled Paragon ones. Maybe he is more genuine than we are led to believe?



Either way I didn't listen to him, and even as a Renegade I blew the base up.

[EatinMcRib]

MilosMilos wrote...

I would assume hes been augmented with the best tech money can buy, if he spent billions on shepard imagine what he would do for himself

IIRC, he also augmented his face to be perfect. I'd imagine he's a lot older than he appears, with his voice being the only clue.

[kotorfan04]

Wow, TIM could have saved himself some trouble if he had incoded some top secret obedience protocol into Shep while he was rebuilding him. It would save him a lot of trouble.



TIM: Irradiate the base, we will retake it and use it.

Shep: No, that could have some really bad side affects, like making you a super power unto yourself.

TIM: Are you sure you won't do it.

Shep: Yeah, pretty sure.

TIM: Activate Omega Protocol.

Tali: Commander Sheperd what are you doing?

*Screen fades to black as two shots ring out. You wake up back on the Normandy with a Cerberus agent looking over you, they explain that thanks to your actions humanity will repel the Reaper threat, that your sacrifice will be remembered. You try to puzzle out what he means by sacrifice but before you figure it out he shoots you. Screen fades out again, with Sheperds face being the last thing we see before credits.*



That would be a strange ending, but it would get me hyped for the sequel.

[conglomerator]

I heard that TIM is mentioned more than a few times in Revelation and Ascension novels, so I bought them as ebooks from FictionWise and reading them now to see if I can discover a bit more about TIM...

[Schneidend]

"Cerberus IS humanity."



That's all I needed to hear to lose all the respect I had for Illusive Man. That's why I told him Cerberus was mine and he could just try and take it from me.

[LucidStrike]

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Modifié par LucidStrike, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:47 .

[LucidStrike]

Schneidend wrote...

"Cerberus IS humanity."

That's all I needed to hear to lose all the respect I had for Illusive Man. That's why I told him Cerberus was mine and he could just try and take it from me.

*Smirks smugly*

[Jonny_Evil]

When I went renegade but still destroyed the base my Shep basically said to him "You work for me now. I'll defeat the Reapers, but I won't sacrifice the soul of our species to do it."



Looks like we take over Cerberus in ME3 and make the Illusive Man our intelligence officer.

[glacier1701]

In one of the talks I had with Legion he basically identified one of the reasons we have trouble with the Collectors/Reapers. We are using their tech already and going down their path. He pointed out the issues the Geth had with the heritics and what that meant. Overall the thing that Legion says is that you are not following your own path but that of someone else. It makes you easier to predict. So in my playthrough I blew the base up. Heck we have enough downloaded info now on what the Reapers are. Now its a question of coming up with a defence against that horde we saw at the end. Already have some thoughts on that (another posted already mentioned what it is).

[LucidStrike]

glacier1701 wrote...

In one of the talks I had with Legion he basically identified one of the reasons we have trouble with the Collectors/Reapers. We are using their tech already and going down their path. He pointed out the issues the Geth had with the heritics and what that meant. Overall the thing that Legion says is that you are not following your own path but that of someone else. It makes you easier to predict.

Sovereign said that bluntly in ME1. I guess that was said again in ME2 for those who didn't play ME1 to hear.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:02 .

[Schneidend]

LucidStrike wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

"Cerberus IS humanity."

That's all I needed to hear to lose all the respect I had for Illusive Man. That's why I told him Cerberus was mine and he could just try and take it from me.

*Smirks smugly*

Quiet you.

Illusive Man proved you wrong up until that point, at least. And you were dead wrong about Cerberus in general. Barring the cells that go mad with power, it's an organization of people trying to do the right thing without letting the law get in their way.

Still, though, kudos. You were right about TIM. He disappointed me in the end. I thought he really was a human-survivalist, but it turned out his only obsession was winning.

[Lawliet89]

I hope I don't get serious repercussions when I decided to keep the technology. It was for pure pragmatic reasons.

[manyfistss]

I think i'll give the base to Cerberus, they understand the risks and the benefits of studying the reapers. If you know their technology you can use parts of it against them, while developing your own path. Perhaps mass effect will turn into the Imperium of Man.

[laffy007]

I kept the base. If the illusive man wants to be an ass, i'll pull the same **** on him, like i did with the collecters.