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[xarthas2]

As Pineapple said, regardless the fate of Sheppard team, TIM is a very happy man as far as he can play with his new toy ().

[Inverness Moon]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

conglomerator wrote...

I'm also curious how the Illusive Man would react if Shepard and his whole team died and the Collector base was destroyed...

No, but if that happens and the base is kept, he is ridiculously happy. It gives off all kinds of bad vibes.

You're ridiculously exaggerating.

[Slayer299]

Exaggerating about what? TIM being happy or ridiculously happy or bad vibes??

[xarthas2]

I suppose you can argue about the bad vibes, but TIM is definitely very very happy (in sad circumstances, if Sephard team is history) as long as he had the base. Just have a look at the link i posted.

[Dean_the_Young]

You not only stopped the single greatest genocidal threat to Humanity, not only handed him the keys to boost chances of galactic survival, but also to arrange the post-Reaper galaxy according to his ambitions for humanity.

Should he be weepy? Apologetic? Contrite?

"I'm sorry, Shepard: despite being a man who's responsible for the deaths of many people, my own and enemies, to get to this point, I asked you to do a mission we both knew you could easily die on, and you did. I therefore must feel overwhelming guilt for it, even though not only did you stop the Collectors, you died giving humanity its best hope for survival, prosperity, and security, against not only the Reapers but beyond.

Now excuse me while I weep inconsolably, while I put some photos of you and your crew (but not the other dozen/hundred humans who died in this shadow war) in my office so that I might never forget you."

Is that what some of you people need?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 29 décembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[xarthas2]

Don't let me be missunderstood, I don't "need" a weepy TIM; on the contrary, I do appreciate the smile as a very informative glimpse into his (and you could use your favourite adjetive here: cruel, pragmatic, statesmanlike, unethical,...) mind. But the fact is that he is happy as a "kid with new shoes" (spanish expression) that was the point in the previous post.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why shouldn't he smile?

[Delta Green]

A gigantic galaxy wiping terror that has existed eons in the past is coming. A single Reaper managed to wipe out citadel fleet and much of the alliance 5th fleet.... and that's without any barriers.



Their mass effect shielding can withstand dreadnaut fire, can mind control anyone who comes in contact with them and presumably have a great understanding of the mass effect relays and how vulnerable galactic species are.



The only reason we managed to hit the collectors is because of reverse engineered reaper tech from EDI, the Thranx Cannon and the IFF.



As it stands, we know the reapers are coming but we have absolutely NO VIABLE CLUES to stop them. When galactic security is threatened, vague rumours of eccentric volus billionaires and million year old living ships are not things to "hope for". I guess thats pretty renegade of me but the collector base can yield technology and information that can be used against the reapers. And I cannot think of any organization that can do this better except through Cerberus, who is willing to sacrifice their minions in droves for their pursuit.

[Jagri]

TIM is simply a psychopath or at least fits the definition.

Modifié par Jagri, 29 décembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

conglomerator wrote...

I'm also curious how the Illusive Man would react if Shepard and his whole team died and the Collector base was destroyed...

No, but if that happens and the base is kept, he is ridiculously happy. It gives off all kinds of bad vibes.

You're ridiculously exaggerating.

No really, I kinda sympathise for TIM in the sense he gets more bad press than he should and I respect him to an extent (but his views are wrong and his organisation and plans are wrong and his operations generally go wrong. In fact, he is very very wrong).
But I saw the video of his reaction to Shepard dying but the base being kept. He had this facial expression which is a bad sign.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 30 décembre 2010 - 03:01 .

[PauseforEffect]

If someone gives people a bad feeling, why should that be ignored? Instincts tell us what conscious thinking cannot always pinpoint. Emotional intelligence has been given closer attention lately, finding out that the limbic system that is the source of "gut" feelings is what enables people to make more accurate planning for the future. While too much emotion is bad, having no emotion is worse. Whatever "vibes" people are getting from the Illusive Man should not be handwaved away as foolishness. And there's plenty of reasons to be suspicious of his ambitions all going to hell.

[bztang]

xarthas2 wrote...

As Pineapple said, regardless the fate of Sheppard team, TIM is a very happy man as far as he can play with his new toy ().

Didn't Bioware say that people wouldn't be able to use an ME2 save with a dead Shepard in ME3?


Also, I found this interesting conspiracy theory about how TIM is a reaper agent:
http://www.escapistm...-Spoilers-afoot

[Akizora]

If it weren't for the sequence in the beginning of the game with Miranda I would swear the Illusive Man was in the future using Quantum Entanglement to communicate with the past. The sun behind him is being used to shield him from changes in the spacetime continuum so he can observe every change in realtime.

XFemShepX wrote...

As
far as Harbinger controlling the Collectors...yes, that's the sticking
point in the dilemma. What if the Collectors were making the human
Reaper as some kind of weapon different, and against the reapers? And
if we uplifted all the "chosen" species to liquified Reaper-hood, then
why weren't the Protheans chosen for this (as they supposedly spanned
most of the galaxy), instead of servitude? Maybe they are controlled
somehow, but rebelling.

This makes me think of what Legion said about there being 1187 Geth inside him, the "human reaper" might have thousands of human minds inside of it - like cells of a body.

Modifié par Akizora, 15 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[Tamcia]

ah TIM

Lets say Humanity dominates the galaxy, who rules it? You disagree? Off to "reeducation camp". You have some powers? To the lab to analyze you. It will not stop ever, even if reapers would be destroyed, all other races exterminated, he would not give up the power he had accumulated.

I wonder if the stories of characters like TIM, Hacket, SB, some council members and other more memorable figures will be fully played out in ME3, as in not left hanging "to be continued" - I would like to learn more!

[Commander_Adept]

Schneidend wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

"Cerberus IS humanity."

That's all I needed to hear to lose all the respect I had for Illusive Man. That's why I told him Cerberus was mine and he could just try and take it from me.

*Smirks smugly*

Quiet you.

Illusive Man proved you wrong up until that point, at least. And you were dead wrong about Cerberus in general. Barring the cells that go mad with power, it's an organization of people trying to do the right thing without letting the law get in their way.

Still, though, kudos. You were right about TIM. He disappointed me in the end. I thought he really was a human-survivalist, but it turned out his only obsession was winning.

Lololol "winning"

Get it, it's Charlie Sheen's dad

Also,

conglomerator wrote...

BTW has anyone noticed that the Illusive Man's face appears very briefly in the crack in the roof a few moments before you contact him from the Collector base? It's as if he is spying on you from outer space... On my first playthrough I thought I was just seeing things, but on my second it happened again so it's either a graphics bug or a somewhat hidden, but intended hint. I'll try to take screenshots the next time I play through the suicide mission.

Can you (Or someone who's also seen this) give me the seconds time that this happens in the video?

Modifié par Commander_Adept, 15 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[PMC65]

I know that I am supposed to not like or trust TIM but based on what? Yes, Cerberus was involved with scientific experiments that I found unacceptable in ME1 but how do I know what they were really researching for? Ways of defeating the upcoming battle? It would appear that they were ahead of the curve while the council & Alliance were picking their noses.

I can only go by what my Shep's experience with the TIM has been. He has totally supported my Shep, even when she kept the geth, woke up the krogan and asked for Tali. He gave Shep her ship, fav pilot and what seems to be a good crew. When Shep says "reaper" the TIM does not stroke his cheek and say "ah,yes ... the 'reapers'" but says "what do you need?"

Every mission he has made the right choices (bringing Shep back without a chip, going on the offensive to lure the collectors out on Horizon, not telling Shep it is a set up on the derelict ship to ensure that the collectors are also off-balance ... after all, how do we know that all of the crew is loyal and that there isn't an indoctrinated mole on-board). I don't care if he is pro-human, after all Shep is human. If the humans are saved, so are other species. Win-win!

I always have a problem destroying the ship because his argument is 100% valid .... what if this was a **** ship and there was technology on it that could end the war in the Allies favor quicker? But the politician asking me to save it is anti-semitic. Would I say blow up the tech because you don't deserve to have it?

Maybe Cerberus is Shep's geth/rachni? Shep is asking every other race to make nice with their "enemies" and here he/she is holding on to his/her own hates. Hmmm ...... My Paragon Shep is working on pulling "everybody" together, TIM included. Once the Reapers are defeated there will be wars again between the races but at least it won't be a complete genocide of all species.

Does Shep's teammates support her decision? Do they ever? I didn't see anyone applaud her when she let the rachni live, started up Legion, birthed Grunt, you get the point. My Shep isn't looking to be popular ... she is looking at saving humanity and other species so that we all can fight another day.

[Commander_Adept]

PMC65 wrote...

I know that I am supposed to not like or trust TIM but based on what? Yes, Cerberus was involved with scientific experiments that I found unacceptable in ME1 but how do I know what they were really researching for?

How do you know that TIM was behind said experiments? I personally don't believe that he was aware of the Teltin facility, I believe Jack's loyalty mission completely on that one. I think TIM may just be an overall ruler, dictating things that directly affect their goals, like utilizing Shepard, not experimenting on random people and such

[PMC65]

Commander_Adept wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I know that I am supposed to not like or trust TIM but based on what? Yes, Cerberus was involved with scientific experiments that I found unacceptable in ME1 but how do I know what they were really researching for?

How do you know that TIM was behind said experiments? I personally don't believe that he was aware of the Teltin facility, I believe Jack's loyalty mission completely on that one. I think TIM may just be an overall ruler, dictating things that directly affect their goals, like utilizing Shepard, not experimenting on random people and such

I don't know if TIM was or wasn't, but if he was then my question would be what was he hoping to gain. As far as Jack's past, it appears that he was not informed, although he doesn't appear to be the type of guy that you could fool for too long.

But based on the current relationship that my Shep has with TIM we are allies. I can't say that my Shep trusts TIM, but my Shep trusts no one at this moment. TIM has been the first person in real authority that has trusted my Shep's decision making ability and tactical skills. I find their talks to be some of the most "adult" and focused of all the dialogues / interactions. No whining, no complaining and no defeatist talk. I just hope that my Shep doesn't have to empty a clip on him.

[eye basher]

frankly i think cerberus still works for the alliance like black ops they do what the alliance publicly can't.

[Commander_Adept]

eye basher wrote...

frankly i think cerberus still works for the alliance like black ops they do what the alliance publicly can't.

"I do the things civil governments refuse to!"