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My fanfic writing is very narrow in scope primarily consisting of smallish scenes between my Inquisitor and his LI (Dorian) -- and no, they don't all have sex in them. I don't really have an interest in writing anything else. But, I did write Cole on one occasion and it was sort of as you describe, but as just a lead in to something else, so I don't consider that I used him as a plot device since he wasn't really required for the scene, just furthering background exposition (something that I do a lot of in my fics).

 

With that in mind, I found trying to write him to be extremely difficult and I really struggled to get a pattern down for his 'reading' to make it sound somewhat authentic. I went through several iterations before I was finally satisfied. I wonder if this is what keeps many fans from writing him at all, regardless of whether or not they have a good idea or concept. Patrick Weekes did a marvelous job in writing him, but he is quite unique and I think that makes it intimidating.

 

My go-to device for bringing the game into a reader's mind is to throw in certain phrases that the character or other NPCs might actually use which generally add to the atmosphere of overall dialog in the game: "very well," "true enough," Dorian's "Fine, have it your way," and other such things. But with Cole, particularly if you are creating from scratch an emotional reading, trying to bring it all together to sound cryptic, while still being intelligible, and also having a certain flow and pattern that make it sound Cole-like is difficult. For me, at least.

 

 

As an aside, I was quite pleased to hear my Inquisitor actually say "hi" in one dialog to Sera, which gave me permission to use the word in writing. I try to not bring in any sort of idioms or colloquialisms unless I've actually heard/seen them in the game; the one exception I've made is "okay," which I can't recall actually seeing or hearing anywhere.

 

Try basing Cole's dialogue off his banter with your companions or talks at the Rest.

 

For example:

 

The Inquisitor climbed the second flight of stairs and as she reached the top, a familiar sight greeted her. Cole was standing in his usual corner, listening to the patrons, waiting and wondering what he could do to help if one of them needed something. He turned at the sound of footsteps approaching, arms crossed and his large hat nearly concealing his eyes from view.

 

The Inquisitor stood in front of him now. "Hello Cole, is everything alright?"

 

Cole turned to face her, he uncrossed his arms and titled his head in thought. "She can't sleep. The nightmare still haunts her."

 

The Inquisitor raised an eyebrow and looked over the railing. "Who?" She inquired.

 

Cole moved to the railing, his shoulder brushing hers as he past swiftly like a breeze. He pointed to a sullen looking blonde woman tucked into the corner of the bar, nursing a fifth drink. "Her."

 

"Do you want to help her, Cole?" The Inquisitor asked as she followed the direction of his finger and frowned at the troubled woman.

 

Cole slowly dropped his hand to his side. "Yes... but I can't."

 

"Why not?"

 

Lifting his head, his grey-blue eyes met her warm brown ones. "Everyone can see me now."

 

The Inquisitor chuckled. "Come on Cole, I can help."

 

Cole watched the Inquisitor head toward the stairs and slowly followed, his brows creased, curious to what she had in mind. As long as it made this girl feel better, he would do anything he could to help.

 

Eh... not my best but just an example of how I'd write him lol


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He speaks normally enough most of the time, but I was primarily referring to his actual readings. For example: "Kid, says the stone. Kid, kidding. It would keep me kept with a name, but the cairn can't catch me." That is not a normal way of talking. My strategy was to focus heavily on the alliteration and have it slowly shift from one thought to another.



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He speaks normally enough most of the time, but I was primarily referring to his actual readings. For example: "Kid, says the stone. Kid, kidding. It would keep me kept with a name, but the cairn can't catch me." That is not a normal way of talking. My strategy was to focus heavily on the alliteration and have it slowly shift from one thought to another.

Oooh that? I found it easy if you think of him speaking in poetry. I'll try it myself after dinner.

Edit: OK here I go!

Cole looked down at the body as the blood spread around his feet. The Inquisitor was kneeling beside it, her hand seeking a pulse that was not there. Her boots stained with the crimson substance left faded prints as she stood and began pacing. "What happened?"

"Stalking stealthy seeking someone. Knife out and poised pointing and pointy at the sound coming closer. A gasp and gugrle. Piercing pain white and hot cooling and fading into darkness. Silenced silent still and numb then... nothing."
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Slightly off topic: to celebrate the filming of Grantchester's second series starting tomorrow, they provided us with that photo of James Norton and "Dickens". 

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I can't wait to hear more of Norton's voice...



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Happy to see there's a Cole thread again. I tried searching for the old thread but gave up. Anyways, Cole ended up being one of my favorite companions. Mostly everything he says fascinates me and his character ended up having a level of depth that i didn't expect. Whenever Cole was in my party I mainly took Cassandra, and Solas as well, the banter between them was pretty sweet. Cole brought an interesting perspective in the game, and I really like his different way of seeing the world. 


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I recalled seeing this reblogged on DG's tumblr a while back and decided to go find it again for the new Cole thread.


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Hmmm... This thread is going way too far down on the forum... Here, have some cute Cole from Tumblr (spoiler for the size):

 


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Slightly off topic: to celebrate the filming of Grantchester's second series starting tomorrow, they provided us with that photo of James Norton and "Dickens".

 

What an adorably proud-looking puppy. :) I know nothing about the series, but I wish James Norton a lot of success with it. The amazing way he brought a challenging character like Cole to life has to be a testament to his overall skills as an actor.

 

Happy to see there's a Cole thread again. I tried searching for the old thread but gave up.

 

Here's the link.

 

I think it was good of The Oracle to open a new one though, since the original character-threads have so many pages of pre-release "clutter".

 

 

 

Anyways, Cole ended up being one of my favorite companions. Mostly everything he says fascinates me and his character ended up having a level of depth that i didn't expect. Whenever Cole was in my party I mainly took Cassandra, and Solas as well, the banter between them was pretty sweet. Cole brought an interesting perspective in the game, and I really like his different way of seeing the world.

 

Same here. I love the way these three bond -- the deep friendship between Solas and Cole was to be expected, but Cassandra's interactions with these two were a beautiful surprise. As I said, the trio really are Team Mutually Respectful Moral and Theological Debate, as the writers called them. Solas and Cassandra both strike me as people who don't use the word "friend" easily, but I hope it is what they consider each other near the end.


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So I found Cole lurking in my Inquisitor's head again, hehe.  I really do enjoy the entire Champions of the Just quest, anyway.  But this time around, I manipulated one of the screenpics I captured, and enjoyed the result enough I figured I'd share it.

 

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Let's revive this thread again!

 

Check out this amazing cosplay and the drawing inspired by it (spoiler for the size):


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That is one awesome costume.

 

Anyway, if anyone has a topic of two to muse about regarding our spirit buddy, I'd be glad to help keep this thread going. :) Like ... any idea what Cole might have done with that armful of chickens Scout Harding saw him carrying? Do you think he discovers that he enjoys water and swimming, given how he occasionally sounds intrigued by it? What gifts, either as physical tokens or gestures of friendship might he appreciate?


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In regards to the swimming part, I would say that he probably enjoys the feel of water, even if he doesn't actually know how to swim. He mentions in Crestwood that demons don't like water because it feels too similar to being in the Fade, so I imagine a spirit would have the opposite opinion and find comfort in the familiarity. It could be adorable, or it could be a terrifying experience trying to teach Cole to actually swim and not just splash around in the shallow end of a pool.


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That is one awesome costume.

 

Anyway, if anyone has a topic of two to muse about regarding our spirit buddy, I'd be glad to help keep this thread going. :) Like ... any idea what Cole might have done with that armful of chickens Scout Harding saw him carrying? Do you think he discovers that he enjoys water and swimming, given how he occasionally sounds intrigued by it? What gifts, either as physical tokens or gestures of friendship might he appreciate?

 

Hmmm I really have no clue about that armful of chickens... Let's think... Maybe their noise was disturbing Vivienne's sleep so he put them somewhere closer to someone in Skyhold who used to live on a farm and misses the sounds of it?

 

I think Varric taught him to swim and after some time being a little scared now he finally enjoys it a lot as it gives him an impression of freedom of movement, his body feels lighter, as if he was flying. Plus fish like to come around him and it tickles.

 

I believe he would appreciate any gift as long as it comes from the heart.


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In regards to the swimming part, I would say that he probably enjoys the feel of water, even if he doesn't actually know how to swim. He mentions in Crestwood that demons don't like water because it feels too similar to being in the Fade, so I imagine a spirit would have the opposite opinion and find comfort in the familiarity.

 

That comment is what first got me thinking about this, yes. He might initially give it a try thinking that if demons don't like water, a spirit maybe should, and discover that he does indeed like it. The floating-flying-freedom sensation that Phalaenopsis mentioned could be both what reminds him of the Fade, and be calming to the human part of him.

 

Hmmm I really have no clue about that armful of chickens... Let's think... Maybe their noise was disturbing Vivienne's sleep so he put them somewhere closer to someone in Skyhold who used to live on a farm and misses the sounds of it?

 

Cole being Cole, it's almost certainly intended to help someone -- I like the "missing the sounds of home" explanation.

 

I think Varric taught him to swim and after some time being a little scared now he finally enjoys it a lot as it gives him an impression of freedom of movement, his body feels lighter, as if he was flying. Plus fish like to come around him and it tickles.

 

Agreed on the freedom and lightness. As far as teaching is concerned, it would have to go the other way round though since Varric states he can't swim ... which must have made the forced journey from Kirkwall to Haven even more unnerving. Nature-loathing city boy that he is, it makes sense that he never learned it. Maybe Cole would be just the person to convince him to give it a try.

 

I believe he would appreciate any gift as long as it comes from the heart.

 

Yes, I agree ... he doesn't really have any use for material things, but I think a token or gesture that comes from a place of trust, welcome, support and affection would make him happy (and, initially, very surprised). Cassandra reading to him, her enthusiasm really making the tale come to life, is one example that I like a lot because she's not only sharing her time and emotions with him, but also opening up about a side of her that many people would tease her for. I could also see early post-Revelations Blackwall remembering that Cole likes rabbits, and trying to distract himself from his misery by carving a small wooden bunny as a wordless "thank you/I'm sorry" for one of the few people who currently still treat him with kindness instead of scorn and anger.


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Agreed on the freedom and lightness. As far as teaching is concerned, it would have to go the other way round though since Varric states he can't swim ... which must have made the forced journey from Kirkwall to Haven even more unnerving. Nature-loathing city boy that he is, it makes sense that he never learned it. Maybe Cole would be just the person to convince him to give it a try.

 

Oh I didn't realise Varric didn't know how to swim... I must have missed that piece of banter. Let's say my Quizzie taught him then!  ...and took Varric along.

 

 

 

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That is one awesome costume.

 

Anyway, if anyone has a topic of two to muse about regarding our spirit buddy, I'd be glad to help keep this thread going. :) Like ... any idea what Cole might have done with that armful of chickens Scout Harding saw him carrying? Do you think he discovers that he enjoys water and swimming, given how he occasionally sounds intrigued by it? What gifts, either as physical tokens or gestures of friendship might he appreciate?

 

Based on the gift system in DAO, I would say Cole would like things like a rabbit. Kind of like how you give Leliana a nug that she keeps at camp. A new hat that he could wear in battle instead of getting one from the chest, something from the White Spire or maybe a discovered memento form the real Cole that you stumble upon in Orlais,  pass along a gift from Rhys after you save him and maybe a book to help him understand humans better.



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Justice was honestly my favorite character in Awakening, and he's introduced in my favorite area. He was kind of the first example of the player seeing a "good" spirit (not really counting Wynne's since that one's much more passive). I'd recommend finding Youtube vids of his conversations at least, for any fan of Dragon Age spirits. One of the gifts the Warden can give him is some kind of trinket made from lyrium (? my memory is fuzzy), which was touching, and his confusion at feeling other emotions for the first time upon meeting Kristoff's wife was so sad and interesting all at once. It made his ultimate fate in DA2 even more tragic to me ("dammit Anders..."). He and Cole really do start out in a similar place, albeit Justice was pulled into a mortal body against his will.

 

I always liked Justice in Awakening as well, it was interesting to have a character with a truly alien perspective in the serie and the exploration of emotions based on the residual memories of Kristoff that linger inside of him were interesting.

 

If I could have changed one thing about Awakening, I'd have made Kristoff a companion that we'd gotten to know for a while and could have befriended, only to have him die during the Blackmarsh quest, so when we return back to the real world, his body is now possessed by Justice. It'd have made his death more tragic and made him more of a character than just a meatsuit for Justice to be trapped in.

 

That being said, when it comes to DA2 I've always been in the "Dammit Justice!" camp and felt his level of responsibility in Anders actions should not be ignored (as it so often is). since it was a factor. Even if spirit and vessel do merge and pick traits from the other, you'd expect the driven, determined and non-compromising Spirit of Justice to be far more of the instigator for Anders' rebellion, than the rather laid back, unmotivated mage and slightly self-centred mage we met in Awakening.


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I always liked Justice in Awakening as well, it was interesting to have a character with a truly alien perspective in the serie and the exploration of emotions based on the residual memories of Kristoff that linger inside of him were interesting.

 

If I could have changed one thing about Awakening, I'd have made Kristoff a companion that we'd gotten to know for a while and could have befriended, only to have him die during the Blackmarsh quest, so when we return back to the real world, his body is now possessed by Justice. It'd have made his death more tragic and made him more of a character than just a meatsuit for Justice to be trapped in.

 

That being said, when it comes to DA2 I've always been in the "Dammit Justice!" camp and felt his level of responsibility in Anders actions should not be ignored (as it so often is). since it was a factor. Even if spirit and vessel do merge and pick traits from the other, you'd expect the driven, determined and non-compromising Spirit of Justice to be far more of the instigator for Anders' rebellion, than the rather laid back, unmotivated mage and slightly self-centred mage we met in Awakening.

 

Though it was hard to look at him (corpses always creep me out), he was one of my fav companions! Maybe it's because I had already played DAI and fell in love with Cole, but when I first heard about the real Justice and not the blue glow that emits from Anders, I was hesitant to meet him. When I found Kristoff's body, then the Fade incident happens and then poor Justice is thrown out and forced into it, I was prepared to avoid him in my party. Then we met Kristoff's wife and I saw a side of Justice I wanted to learn more about. Next thing I new his approval was 100 and he was by my side along with Nate and Oghren for the final fight.

 

Then I played DA 2 again and it was like... damn Anders... why? I know you tried to help a friend, but look at him! 

 

I fear Cole will have a similar fate in a future game, and hope it's not true. As Solas said, they don't need to lose anymore good spirits, and so far only good ones are fading away (Faith, Justice, Wisdom).



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Though it was hard to look at him (corpses always creep me out), he was one of my fav companions! Maybe it's because I had already played DAI and fell in love with Cole, but when I first heard about the real Justice and not the blue glow that emits from Anders, I was hesitant to meet him. When I found Kristoff's body, then the Fade incident happens and then poor Justice is thrown out and forced into it, I was prepared to avoid him in my party. Then we met Kristoff's wife and I saw a side of Justice I wanted to learn more about. Next thing I new his approval was 100 and he was by my side along with Nate and Oghren for the final fight.

 

Then I played DA 2 again and it was like... damn Anders... why? I know you tried to help a friend, but look at him! 

 

I fear Cole will have a similar fate in a future game, and hope it's not true. As Solas said, they don't need to lose anymore good spirits, and so far only good ones are fading away (Faith, Justice, Wisdom).

 

I suggest reading the Anders short story if you haven't: http://dragonage.wik...s_(short_story)

 

I think after Asunder and Inquisition, especially since you can make him more human,  I don't think anything like that would happen to Cole. He still helps but in both cases, he gets a sense of closure. 


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I saw a film the other day, a place beyond the pines. And this actor reminded me of Cole. Think it's the whole sickly looking eyes look. 
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I suggest reading the Anders short story if you haven't: http://dragonage.wik...s_(short_story)

 

I think after Asunder and Inquisition, especially since you can make him more human,  I don't think anything like that would happen to Cole. He still helps but in both cases, he gets a sense of closure. 

 

I did read it and that's why it's so sad if you play DAA and know what will happen in DA2. It's tragic. Anders own emotions corrupted Justice into Vengeance and it was not his intent. I will never blame Anders for what happened, but Mages and spirit and possession are the most important thing mages are warned against. I wonder if Anders realized how deep his vengeance ran when they joined? He only did what he hoped was a means for peace and then it all went wrong.

 

I hope not. It just seems that the good ones are disappearing. Maybe we'll meet a new good spirit in a future game.



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K so, everyone's hyped about DLC and possibly Deep Roads and/or Qunari. None of the story content actually matters that much to me (saying this as a Solasmancer even), I just want to be able to bring Cole along, and hear what he has to say about whatever's going on. It's always the best :C 

 

I think he'd especially have creepy insights into the Deep Roads, actually. 



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Based on what we learned in JoH, I feel like Cole would be totally uncomfortable going into the Deep Roads. All sorts of creepy things have happened there both in and out of Orzammar + Kal-Sharok. Demons bound into stones and walls, or even having their body parts split and scattered. Remains of elves who fled the chaos that was Arlathan's downfall. Freaking lyrium everywhere, both blue and red. 

 

How about that Primeval Thaig that Hawke and company found? I bet you Cole would have a lot to say about that one.


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Cole already had an experience with an AD prison in the Western Approach, so I have a feeling he'll be sensing a lot of stuff in that DLC!


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Oh I didn't realise Varric didn't know how to swim... I must have missed that piece of banter. Let's say my Quizzie taught him then!  ...and took Varric along.

 

If memory serves, he makes that remark on the Storm Coast. My Inquisitor would definitely be on his case to learn it -- adventuring types traipsing around all the Maker-forsaken corners of Thedas never know when that skill may be the difference between life and death.

 

Glad that thread isn't completely dead. Thank you Korva!

 

It would make me sad, too, he's such a fascinating character. Unfortunately, many people just don't care much about NPC they can't get sex from.

 

I fear Cole will have a similar fate in a future game, and hope it's not true. As Solas said, they don't need to lose anymore good spirits, and so far only good ones are fading away (Faith, Justice, Wisdom).

 

Few things would upset me more than seeing Cole suffer like that ... especially since they (thankfully) dropped the demon-outcome of his personal quest because it clashed with his bittersweet-but-positive character arc. I want him to stay hopeful and positive, and my Inquisitor would do her utmost to keep one of her two dearest friends safe.

 

Cole already had an experience with an AD prison in the Western Approach, so I have a feeling he'll be sensing a lot of stuff in that DLC!

 

Poor fellow, yes. And as far as the "make the rest of the group jump out of their skin" potential of some of Cole's remarks go, his quiet mention that the darkspawn are singing beneath them is probably at the top. I imagined everyone else instantly snapping into defensive positions, expecting an ambush, before he gets around to clarifying that the darkspawn are far away and not right there. :P
 

On a related note, I really wish the option to destroy Adamant hadn't bugged out for me (I didn't even know about it until someone mentioned it on the forums). It's a rather ignoble end for a once-proud fortress, but between all that happened there and Cole's unusually vehement opinion on it, my Inquisitor was so done with that place. I think it would be a relief for Cole, and maybe a bitter kind of satisfaction for our soldiers who lost so many of their comrades there.


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