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[Linkenski]

http://www.gamereact...grtv/?id=229594

 

He talks about the process of writing within Bioware, even admits he's kind of jealous at some of the things CDPR did, which is IMO a very humble and good attitude to have, considering a LOT of people have been saying "hey, Bioware, look at what THESE guys are doing" ever since DA:I came out.

 

Unfortunately I think he picked a poor example on the subject of bringing back old characters in their sequels because he started talking about bringing back Varric in DA:I and that "if there's nowhere to take the character, we wouldn't have them in it", which is kind of ironic IMO.

[Mihura]

He forgot about Krem name, blaspheme! 

[Heyokah]

Given CDPR's rather limited budget and staff compared to Bioware's he should be jealous.  If nothing else CDPR has proven one thing - you CAN develop a game that garners such praise if you treat the consumer (we the gamers) with proper respect and you CAN do so without EA mucking up your good intentions.  

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Given CDPR's rather limited budget and staff compared to Bioware's he should be jealous.  If nothing else CDPR has proven one thing - you CAN develop a game that garners such praise if you treat the consumer (we the gamers) with proper respect and you CAN do so without EA mucking up your good intentions.  

 

Lol, CDPR is subsidised by the Polish government because it puts them on the map.

[Heyokah]

Lol, CDPR is subsidised by the Polish government because it puts them on the map.

 

 

Any proof of that claim or are you just speaking out of your arse?

 

I suppose all of Poland and the former member states of the Warsaw Pact all colluded to make a friggen video game.

 

Even so - I'd trust the wonderful people of Poland over EA any day.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Any proof of that claim or are you just speaking out of your arse?

 

I suppose all of Poland and the former member states of the Warsaw Pact all colluded to make a friggen video game.

 

Even so - I'd trust the wonderful people of Poland over EA any day.

 

They are subsidized, which means they can do things like free dlc and lead people to believe its due to their limitless generosity. CDPR sings the tune they know the people want to hear, but in reality they are no different from Bioware. These are also the same people who were for DRM until it blew up in their face, now they act as if they've been against it all along. Don't be a sheeple.

[London]

They also saved money by clearly not hiring a fashion consultant for those alternate outfits lol.

[Heyokah]

They are subsidized, which means they can do things like free dlc and lead people to believe its due to their limitless generosity. CDPR sings the tune they know the people want to hear, but in reality they are no different from Bioware. These are also the same people who were for DRM until it blew up in their face, now they act as if they've been against it all along. Don't be a sheeple.

Still no proof?

 

Sheeple would just take what you are spouting at face value, yes?

[Eelectrica]

Props to DG for giving credit where it's due.
I think DAI could have done with fewer zones but had more interesting quests in regions that made the final cut. Which is pretty much what Witcher 3 did.

On the other hand if CDPR's Cyberpunk game is party based they'd probably take some cues from the DA series and other BW titles. I mean these game devs all influence each other. We all benefit from different game companies doing well.

[correctamundo]

Interesting.

[Heyokah]

Props to DG for giving credit where it's due.
I think DAI could have done with fewer zones but had more interesting quests in regions that made the final cut. Which is pretty much what Witcher 3 did.

On the other hand if CDPR's Cyberpunk game is party based they'd probably take some cues from the DA series and other BW titles. I mean these game devs all influence each other. We all benefit from different game companies doing well.

Precisely.

[Heyokah]

I did some of the work for you Jaron....

 

 

EA  - Q4 Financial Highlights:

For the quarter, non-GAAP net revenue of $914 million was above our guidance of $800 million. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.48 was above our guidance of $0.09.

(in millions of $, except per share amounts)  

Quarter Ended
3/31/14

 

Quarter Ended
3/31/13

GAAP Digital Net Revenue   $491   $453 GAAP Packaged Goods and Other Net Revenue   618   730 GAAP Distribution Net Revenue   14   26 GAAP Total Net Revenue   $1,123   $1,209           Non-GAAP Digital Net Revenue   $550   $618 Non-GAAP Packaged Goods and Other Net Revenue   350   396 Non-GAAP Distribution Net Revenue   14   26 Non-GAAP Total Net Revenue   $914   $1,040           GAAP Net Income   $367   $323 Non-GAAP Net Income   152   169 GAAP Diluted Earnings Per Share   1.15   1.05 Non-GAAP Diluted Earnings Per Share   0.48   0.55           Cash Provided by Operations   $281   $233          
 

 

Poland

Income levelHigh income: OECD

GDP (current US$)

$548.0 billion 2014

Population, total

38.00 million 2014

[In Exile]

Given CDPR's rather limited budget and staff compared to Bioware's he should be jealous.  If nothing else CDPR has proven one thing - you CAN develop a game that garners such praise if you treat the consumer (we the gamers) with proper respect and you CAN do so without EA mucking up your good intentions.  

 

CDPR has proven that if you pay your developers in zloty and make your profits in dollars, you can develop AAA games on the cheap. Unless you think EA should start outsourcing development to Eastern Europem there's not much to learn from CDPR. Well, I suppose one can learn how to praise gamers in a patronising way.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love TW3 - it's a wonderful game. But CDPR isn't deserving of any kind of unique praise, anymore than any other massively succcesful AAA development company. 

[Dreadstruck]

Interesting. I am liking David's attitude about TW3. Both games are highly succesful AAA fantasy titles and franchises that deserve their fame and should have a healthy competition where one could learn from another, instead of a toxic rivalry.

 

... also, am I the only one who finds it funny that when a company actually does something *for* the gamers (free content, DLCs, no DRM etc), there are always some people who must see some ulterior motive behind it? (As if they were reaching and stretching to downplay whatever is positive about this kind of behaviour.)

 

And maybe there is but so long as I (the player and paying consumer) benefit from it, I have no problem with that. More ulterior motives like this please. And I will praise the **** out of you.

[London]

i think it's great for them to acknowledge the things Witcher 3 did to move the genre forward. I hope they can build upon some of the ideas shown, but tailored to the DA setting.

Over the years BioWare also contributed quite a bit to the genre as well, and will probably do so again, hopefully with ME4.

[Heyokah]

Now I am not stating that CDPR are led by a charging Juraj Jánošík gleaming in porcelain armor upon his trusty and faithful Malopolski but I will say this - they released a game that was actually playable.  How many dev's these days charge for reskins and additional content for a game that DOES NOT WORK?  

 

I do not care where the dev's are based out of, I do not care how much $$$ they make, or in what currency they spend it.  I am a gamer and I want a product that works as advertised.  How is giving me a product that actually is PLAYABLE patronizing?  Explain that one to me, sir.

 

 

edit - DA:I also had a wonderful release and I also praise Bioware.  

[WikipediaBrown]

They are subsidized, which means they can do things like free dlc and lead people to believe its due to their limitless generosity. CDPR sings the tune they know the people want to hear, but in reality they are no different from Bioware. These are also the same people who were for DRM until it blew up in their face, now they act as if they've been against it all along. 

 

Basically this. While the Witcher 3 is a great game, don't be fooled thinking that any business is out for more than the almighty dollar. They used DRM, they overworked employees, they used "free DLC" as a quasi-DRM/marketing strategy, etc. They've done a lot of things that other big companies have been scolded for, and eventually I think there will a backlash, but for now they are "untouchable." 

 

Witcher 2 DRM: http://www.1up.com/n...r-2-drm-removal

 

Witcher 3 Subsidy: http://www.visegradi...valley24092014/

 

GOG.com, a Polish company and the second biggest video games online distribution service in the world, is an exceptional case. Parented by a highly successful Polish game developer, CD Projekt, GOG.com managed to develop an innovative formula that made it a “rising star” among the digital game distributors. As a side note, CD Projekt RED received substantial financial aid from the state and Europe.

 

Witcher 3/Marketing Costs: http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=586441

                                               http://www.pb.pl/316...onad-100-mln-zl

 

"TW3 will cost at least 110 000 000 PLN (34 000 000 USD), out of that 40 000 000 PLN is for production and is paid by CDPR, and marketing budget (25 000 000 USD) will be paid by distributors and publishers in advance and deduced from the copies they sell." Marketing expenditure incurred by our distributors will not be our costs, but will be deducted from revenues due to us from the sale of the game - says Adam Kicinski.

 

Witcher 3 Budget/Cost of Development in Poland: http://www.usgamer.n...-witcher-3-cost

 

A story published yesterday at Gazeta.pl put the final production budget a bit higher: over 120 million zł ($32.4 million). In addition, $35 million was spent just for marketing, making the final total roughly $67.4 million.  

 

For the U.S. in 2013, game developers made an average of $83,060, while Canadian devs made $71,445. Polski GameDev offered up its own infographic showing local salaries broken down job type. Total annual average salary? $17,352.  

 

Unhappy CDPR Employees:   http://www.glassdoor...ews-E644250.htm

 

[Heyokah]

 

Basically this. While the Witcher 3 is a great game, don't be fooled thinking that any business is out for more than the almighty dollar. They used DRM, they used "free DLC" as a marketing strategy and as a sort of DRM, etc. They've done a lot of things that other big companies have been scolded for, and eventually I think there will a backlash, but for now they are "untouchable." 

 

Witcher 2 DRM: http://www.1up.com/n...r-2-drm-removal

 

Witcher 3 Subsidy: http://www.visegradi...valley24092014/

 

GOG.com, a Polish company and the second biggest video games online distribution service in the world, is an exceptional case. Parented by a highly successful Polish game developer, CD Projekt, GOG.com managed to develop an innovative formula that made it a “rising star” among the digital game distributors. As a side note, CD Projekt RED received substantial financial aid from the state and Europe.

 

Witcher 3/Marketing Costs: http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=586441

                                               http://www.pb.pl/316...onad-100-mln-zl

 

"TW3 will cost at least 110 000 000 PLN (34 000 000 USD), out of that 40 000 000 PLN is for production and is paid by CDPR, and marketing budget (25 000 000 USD) will be paid by distributors and publishers in advance and deduced from the copies they sell." Marketing expenditure incurred by our distributors will not be our costs, but will be deducted from revenues due to us from the sale of the game - says Adam Kicinski.

 

Witcher 3 Budget/Cost of Development in Poland: http://www.usgamer.n...-witcher-3-cost

 

A story published yesterday at Gazeta.pl put the final production budget a bit higher: over 120 million zł ($32.4 million). In addition, $35 million was spent just for marketing, making the final total roughly $67.4 million.  

 

For the U.S. in 2013, game developers made an average of $83,060, while Canadian devs made $71,445. Polski GameDev offered up its own infographic showing local salaries broken down job type. Total annual average salary? $17,352.  

 

Unhappy CDPR Employees:   http://www.glassdoor...ews-E644250.htm

 

 

Thank you for doing Jaron's homework.

 

What is the cost of living in Poland as compared to the US and Canada?  That is an honest question in regards to the salary issue.

 

"GOG.com, a Polish company and the second biggest video games online distribution service in the world, is an exceptional case."  Surprising if true.

 

I thought it was Steam then perhaps Green Man Gaming.

 

edit - looked over the links in context and quite frankly I do not understand why you posted them.  DRM is a non-starter for me as I do not care.  So they get people to market their product...who doesn't?  

 

Oh wait - you are using links and quotes from one source and I do not believe they pass muster, sir.

[WikipediaBrown]

Thank you for doing Jaron's homework.

 

Compelling links for sure.  

 

What is the cost of living in Poland as compared to the US and Canada?  That is an honest question in regards to the salary issue.

 

"GOG.com, a Polish company and the second biggest video games online distribution service in the world, is an exceptional case."  Surprising if true.

 Hmm, well I found this, which should give you some idea. 

 

 http://www.numbeo.co...layCurrency=USD

 

Consumer Prices in Canada are 78.86% higher than in Poland

Consumer Prices Including Rent in Canada are 88.29% higher than in Poland

Rent Prices in Canada are 118.52% higher than in Poland

Local Purchasing Power in Canada is 60.13% higher than in Poland

 

Edit: I posted the DRM link to back up Jaron's statement, and the rest of the links are the sources of the info I posted. Since Neogaf is a forum, I linked to the original Polish interview which also has the same figures. I'm not claiming their information is infallible, but that's what is readily available regarding Witcher 3 development. 

 

(Sorry for getting off-topic of the interview.)

[Heyokah]

 

Basically this. While the Witcher 3 is a great game, don't be fooled thinking that any business is out for more than the almighty dollar. They used DRM, they overworked employees, they used "free DLC" as a quasi-DRM/marketing strategy, etc. They've done a lot of things that other big companies have been scolded for, and eventually I think there will a backlash, but for now they are "untouchable." 

 

Witcher 2 DRM: http://www.1up.com/n...r-2-drm-removal

 

Witcher 3 Subsidy: http://www.visegradi...valley24092014/

 

GOG.com, a Polish company and the second biggest video games online distribution service in the world, is an exceptional case. Parented by a highly successful Polish game developer, CD Projekt, GOG.com managed to develop an innovative formula that made it a “rising star” among the digital game distributors. As a side note, CD Projekt RED received substantial financial aid from the state and Europe.

 

Witcher 3/Marketing Costs: http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=586441

                                               http://www.pb.pl/316...onad-100-mln-zl

 

"TW3 will cost at least 110 000 000 PLN (34 000 000 USD), out of that 40 000 000 PLN is for production and is paid by CDPR, and marketing budget (25 000 000 USD) will be paid by distributors and publishers in advance and deduced from the copies they sell." Marketing expenditure incurred by our distributors will not be our costs, but will be deducted from revenues due to us from the sale of the game - says Adam Kicinski.

 

Witcher 3 Budget/Cost of Development in Poland: http://www.usgamer.n...-witcher-3-cost

 

A story published yesterday at Gazeta.pl put the final production budget a bit higher: over 120 million zł ($32.4 million). In addition, $35 million was spent just for marketing, making the final total roughly $67.4 million.  

 

For the U.S. in 2013, game developers made an average of $83,060, while Canadian devs made $71,445. Polski GameDev offered up its own infographic showing local salaries broken down job type. Total annual average salary? $17,352.  

 

Unhappy CDPR Employees:   http://www.glassdoor...ews-E644250.htm

 

 

Per DRM - that is a nonstarter for me as I do not care.  At all.  What is the cost of living in Poland?  How many game developers are in the market and is that market inundated?  GoG is not the 2nd largest game distribution company - you simply took one article, quoted and pasted a link.  Steam and Green Man Gaming far exceed GoG.  Want proof?

 

http://venturebeat.c...een-man-loaded/

 

Green Man Gaming, the second largest digital game retailer worldwide, announced its own PC publishing arm today, Green Man Loaded. 

 

See I can pull that nonsense too....

 

edit - My apologies...I did not want to seem insulting but we can trade these links all day methinks  

[Panda]

I don't find Witcher and Dragon Age so similar so people comparing them so much is bit weird to me. Dragon Age is RPG, when Witcher although is fantasy game, has set character which doesn't really make it RPG to me. I guess you can roleplay Geralt, but you can't roleplay your own character. In that aspect I'd compare Witcher more to Assassin Creed or Deus Ex. The combat is more similar to those as well or Skyrim, since you fight alone when DA is team-based.

 

Though in sense of both being fantasy games it was nice nod to CDPR team from Gaider and likely honest one, there is always things others do better I guess. I just wonder what things he was jealous about of Witcher 3.

[WikipediaBrown]

Per DRM - that is a nonstarter for me as I do not care.  At all.  What is the cost of living in Poland?  How many game developers are in the market and is that market inundated?  GoG is not the 2nd largest game distribution company - you simply took one article, quoted and pasted a link.  Steam and Green Man Gaming far exceed GoG.  Want proof?

 

http://venturebeat.c...een-man-loaded/

 

Green Man Gaming, the second largest digital game retailer worldwide, announced its own PC publishing arm today, Green Man Loaded. 

 

See I can pull that nonsense too....

 There is a difference between a retailer and a distributor. http://www.differenc...or-and-retailer

Green Man merely sells games/keys, GOG produces games, localizes other games, and distributes games. You are welcome to ignore the links and information I provided if you don't agree with them, but I am not deliberately trying to "pull nonsense."  This is completely off-topic either way. 

[ashwind]

 

Basically this. While the Witcher 3 is a great game, don't be fooled thinking that any business is out for more than the almighty dollar. They used DRM, they overworked employees, they used "free DLC" as a quasi-DRM/marketing strategy, etc. They've done a lot of things that other big companies have been scolded for, and eventually I think there will a backlash, but for now they are "untouchable." 

 

Witcher 2 DRM: http://www.1up.com/n...r-2-drm-removal

 

Witcher 3 Subsidy: http://www.visegradi...valley24092014/

 

GOG.com, a Polish company and the second biggest video games online distribution service in the world, is an exceptional case. Parented by a highly successful Polish game developer, CD Projekt, GOG.com managed to develop an innovative formula that made it a “rising star” among the digital game distributors. As a side note, CD Projekt RED received substantial financial aid from the state and Europe.

 

Witcher 3/Marketing Costs: http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=586441

                                               http://www.pb.pl/316...onad-100-mln-zl

 

"TW3 will cost at least 110 000 000 PLN (34 000 000 USD), out of that 40 000 000 PLN is for production and is paid by CDPR, and marketing budget (25 000 000 USD) will be paid by distributors and publishers in advance and deduced from the copies they sell." Marketing expenditure incurred by our distributors will not be our costs, but will be deducted from revenues due to us from the sale of the game - says Adam Kicinski.

 

Witcher 3 Budget/Cost of Development in Poland: http://www.usgamer.n...-witcher-3-cost

 

A story published yesterday at Gazeta.pl put the final production budget a bit higher: over 120 million zł ($32.4 million). In addition, $35 million was spent just for marketing, making the final total roughly $67.4 million.  

 

For the U.S. in 2013, game developers made an average of $83,060, while Canadian devs made $71,445. Polski GameDev offered up its own infographic showing local salaries broken down job type. Total annual average salary? $17,352.  

 

Unhappy CDPR Employees:   http://www.glassdoor...ews-E644250.htm

 

 

 

The one thing I think about reading through all this is that CDPR is a glimpse into the future, the first of its kind, the vanguard of a new type of game development companies. In the future, we will see more companies like CDPR coming out from Eastern Europe, taking advantage on the lower cost of living and the lower annual income to produce bigger and flashier games and then sell them in North America to take advantage of the higher standard of living.

 

Who knows, India & China may decide to join the party someday and with their cheap labor and virtually unlimited cheap laborers... scary huh. Not so much if you are a gamer though tis the companies that needs to fear.

 

What can North American companies do.... well, Lets see: Dont compromise on quality. Dont try to constantly milk players or at least do so in a less conspicuous way. Most importantly, dont do stupid things to anger your fans and think that they are stupid.

 

 

[Edit]

So many complains about "fake milestones"        Isnt that standard practice in the Software industry. Tis not "fake milestones" tis just "milestones with buffering". 

[9TailsFox]

 

 Hmm, well I found this, which should give you some idea. 

 

 http://www.numbeo.co...layCurrency=USD

 

Consumer Prices in Canada are 78.86% higher than in Poland

Consumer Prices Including Rent in Canada are 88.29% higher than in Poland

Rent Prices in Canada are 118.52% higher than in Poland

Local Purchasing Power in Canada is 60.13% higher than in Poland

 

Edit: I posted the DRM link to back up Jaron's statement, and the rest of the links are the sources of the info I posted. Since Neogaf is a forum, I linked to the original Polish interview which also has the same figures. I'm not claiming their information is infallible, but that's what is readily available regarding Witcher 3 development. 

 

(Sorry for getting off-topic of the interview.)

 

This. I read all this nonsense but but CDPR using slaves they play practically nothing. This was sarcasm because it's enough stupid people accept it as real.

Yes they pay less because living cost is much less if statistics are correct almost twice less. I am from Lithuania all of ass complaining we live bad earn nothing yes there is a lot of true but it's not so horrible as it painted to look. Yes we look at UK an Scandinavian country's and earn a lot and bring it home bring it home because life is much cheaper. But if you live in what country I would lie if say same, but only little better.

[Heyokah]

 

"So many complains about "fake milestones"        Isnt that standard practice in the Software industry. Tis not "fake milestones" tis just "milestones with buffering".  :rolleyes:"

 

 

 

I tried to convince my ex-wife of that.

 

I told her that she simply needed to buffer my milestone.

 

My customer service assured her that this was the standard practice in my software industry and tis was not a "fake milestone" just a "milestone that required proper buffering".

 

Her lawyers did not buy it.

 

So now every time my milestone requires a proper buffering I have to pay for it.