Atris is 29? Wat.
I figured she was probably somewhere in her 40's. And Bastila being 19 isn't too far off from what I've always assumed, which is early 20's, 25 at most.
She is most likely that given that the game implies she's been documenting history since the war with Exar Kun as a Jedi Historian.
Dialogue in the game specifies him as being 25, unless you're getting this from that awful novel.
That line isn't actually in KotOR. I've only seen it sourced in quotes online. Revan was always a part of the older generation, but 38 was kind of a curveball, yeah.
No, that is never specified in the game and is ultimately up to the player. And I don't know where you are getting Atris' age from either -- The same garbage novel probably.
Well that is what I wrote on the last page. And that is why I said "canon." Though there was always a canon Exile, and she always was slightly younger than Revan. It really isn't that up to the player. And Atris was always slightly younger than her, the Exile being Atris hero after all. The age of Revan is the only monkeywrench here, and it's not that bad of one. There are plenty of much worse things in that book to get mad about.
She is most likely that given that the game implies she's been documenting history since the war with Exar Kun as a Jedi Historian.
Atris would be an ooooooooooooooooooooooooold woman if that were true, Exar Kun being around before any of the cast besides Jolee was even born, forty years before KotOR. She definitely wasn't a historian then.
That line isn't actually in KotOR. I've only seen it sourced in quotes online. Revan was always a part of the older generation, but 38 was kind of a curveball, yeah.
I don't really get what you're saying here? I mean, yes, I get you wrote some arbitrary ages down and claim they are canon but given that anything outside of the movies are ultimately non-canon at this point that becomes a bit far fetched, and I don't recall any of it being documented in the games -- If it's not specified in the game, outside of Drew Karpyshyn's fanfiction, then I don't see it as relevant. But to reiterate; The Exile's age is never brought up in conversation, and her being Atris hero doesn't mean nothing, as being someone's hero can range from any number of reasons; Such as sheer minded admiration and respect for her views. In retrospect, Atris admired the Exile's courage to do what she did and ultimately the passion she showed for defending her views against the Council. She's been documenting history since the end of the war with Exar Kun thus she can't really be 29.Well that is what I wrote on the page. And that is why I said "canon."
Nevermind, I noticed you said besides JoleeAtris would be an ooooooooooooooooooooooooold woman if that were true, Exar Kun being around before any of the cast besides Jolee was even born, forty years before KotOR. She definitely wasn't a historian then.
Not really, since the game specifies him as a young Jedi who rallied others to fight the Mandalorians -- Said war only ended at lea 8 years before the events of the Jedi Civil War in KOTOR 1.
Five. The Mandalorian Wars ended five years before KotOR. The Dark Wars, the one that happens in KotOR 2, is five years after that, spanning from when Malak dies until Traya dies. The game just has a bunch of older men call him young, without giving an exact age. Revan's always been older, there was even a comic he played a role in I believe, before that novel was released. Him being in his late thirties is believable, if not required.
I don't really get what you're saying here? I mean, yes, I get you wrote some arbitrary ages down and claim they are canon but given that anything outside of the movies are ultimately non-canon at this point that becomes a bit far fetched, and I don't recall any of it being documented in the games -- But to reiterate; The Exile's age is never specified and her being Atris hero doesn't mean nothing, as being someone's hero can range from any number of reasons, such as sheer minded admiration and respect for her views. In retrospect, Atris admired the Exile's courage to do what she did. She's been documenting history since the end of the war with Exar Kun thus she can't really be 29.
Those ages are in the book. Whether you like them or not, that's canon. No the Exile's age isn't specified in game, but consider the Exile is definitely younger than Revan, was a Padawan when the Mandalorian Wars began, she having to be considering she was knighted during them, which was established before TOR was a thing, but is still in the generation after Bastila's group of Padawans, it's really not that big of a stretch. Exar Kun died in 3996. KotOR takes place in 3956. Unless Atris is secretly in her late 70s, she hasn't been a historian since the end of the Exar Kun War. And she's not in her late 70's, in case her face didn't give it away.
Uhm, Jolee was born? In fact, he was a young Jedi then, who fought in the war with Exar Kun, where he so happened to lose his wife to the influence of the Dark Lord's promising Golden Age of the Sith. You played the game, right?
I said everyone besides Jolee was not even born when Exar Kun was alive, including Revan, which is actually said in game. There's no way people younger than Revan, which Atris always was, would be alive since then, as well as being historians. I'm wondering if you actually played the game at this point, but yeah. I'm playing it right now.
Fair enough, 5 then -- It's been a while since I played the first one, I admit that. Anyway it only adds to my point though rather than subtracting from it. I don't see any actual sources here to back up your arguments for his age beyond your own claims and speculations. I mean, that's fine, if that suits you anyway.Five. The Mandalorian Wars ended five years before KotOR. The Dark Wars, the one that happens in KotOR 2, is five years after that, spanning from when Malak dies until Traya dies. The game just has a bunch of older men call him young, without giving an exact age. Revan's always been older, there was even a comic he played a role in I believe, before that novel was released. Him being in his late thirties is believable, if not required.
Those ages are in the book. Whether you like them or not, that's canon.
Nope, she was a Jedi Knight when the Mandalorian Wars began, in fact she was about to be chosen as the Disciple's Master before she decided to join the war. Her age isn't specified beyond wild speculation, such as yours.No the Exile's age isn't specified in game, but consider the Exile is definitely younger than Revan, was a Padawan when the Mandalorian Wars began
I'll be fair here to say I retract my previous statement and change it to "After the end of the war with Exar Kun".Exar Kun died in 3996. KotOR takes place in 3956. Unless Atris is secretly in her late 70s, she hasn't been a historian since the end of the Exar Kun War. And she's not in her late 70's, in case her face didn't give it away.
Calm your ******, son -- I edited my post.. just not quick enoughI'm wondering if you actually played the game at this point, but yeah. I'm playing it right now.
Considering how Drew treated her and how he reduced to her such a joke despite being extremely powerful in KOTOR 2 because of her wound in the force, I take what he put in his crappy book with a grain of salt, and ignore that shitty flashpoint in TOR.
Wasnt that book basically "my character is beter than yours"?
Pretty much.
And this is coming from someone that did enjoy TOR outside the stupid books, Revan flashpoints and jedi knight story.
Pretty much.
And this is coming from someone that did enjoy TOR outside the stupid books, Revan flashpoints and jedi knight story.
Smart man.
You know with Disney wiping out the EU I think its prime time for Bioware to capitalize on this so they can make Darth Revan canon again.
You know with Disney wiping out the EU I think its prime time for Bioware to capitalize on this so they can make Darth Revan canon again.
I rather have an Exile who embraces the dark side since her ablity to feed on the dead like Nhilus and the Sith Emperor would be interesting to see. Plus Exile is a far better character then Revan.
/opens dem can of worms
That depends on if we are talking about Kotor 1 Revan or Kotor 2 Revan.
That depends on if we are talking about Kotor 1 Revan or Kotor 2 Revan.
I don't care for any Revan may it be pre KOTOR, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, TOR ect. I've never been a fan of Revan.
Considering how Drew treated her and how he reduced to her such a joke despite being extremely powerful in KOTOR 2 because of her wound in the force, I take what he put in his crappy book with a grain of salt, and ignore that shitty flashpoint in TOR.
That book isn't even worthy of being used to wipe the bum with
I don't care for any Revan may it be pre KOTOR, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, TOR ect. I've never been a fan of Revan.
Awwww Kotor 2 Revan was awesome though with him just being a knowledge hungry, dangerous outsider that belongs nowhere.
That book isn't even worthy of being used to wipe the bum with
Like if she was killed by the Emperor I would have had no issues, but the way he did it? It's pretty much him taking a final dump on her because she's not Revan.
Awwww Kotor 2 Revan was awesome though with him just being a knowledge hungry, dangerous outsider that belongs nowhere.
And this is why I'm not too meh about Revan in TOR since he was never consistent. True reason I hate Revans flashpoints in TOR is how the Exile is reduced to even a bigger joke.
And this is why I'm not too meh about Revan in TOR since he was never consistent. True reason I hate Revans flashpoints in TOR is how the Exile is reduced to even a bigger joke.
Maybe it's due to me never reading the books and only hearing awful tidbits about it but I felt the FP's were very "quick get rid of it so we don't **** it up" when it came to the Exile. Revan was handled passibly in comparison the equivalent of a D- maybe a D+ if you include the expansion.
with me, ToR will still be a good game even without Revan or The Jedi Exile. The Revan Novel is the poorest of Drew K's novels. Yes I have his mass effects and Darth Banes books. To me, his heart wasn't in the Revan Novel. I have no anger towards Drew. I do have some anger towards some fans that wants closure without quality and canon junkies.
Yes I have watch the Flashpoints on Youtube.
As for me, I would love to have Revan and Jedi Exile to be retcon out of ToR and have a proper Kotor 3.
I am sorry for my bitchiness.
Fair enough, 5 then -- It's been a while since I played the first one, I admit that. Anyway it only adds to my point though rather than subtracting from it. I don't see any actual sources here to back up your arguments for his age beyond your own claims and speculations. I mean, that's fine, if that suits you anyway.
As for the ages in the books -- If it fits for Drew Karpyshyn, just as much as the name he chose to grant to the Exile, then that's great but since it's not part of the game, and Drew definitely had nothing to do with its development, then it is about as canon, and relevant, as anything else outside of the movies.
Read the book then. You'll live, and It's all there. The games are not more canon than the books whether we like it or not, they're both the same level of canon and one actually leads into TOR and is continued so it has nothing to do with fitting for the lead writer of the Hero of Tython's story, and there was always a canon Exile and Revan. They always had to be certain ages for the timeline to work, and there's really no getting around it.
Nope, she was a Jedi Knight when the Mandalorian Wars began, in fact she was about to be chosen as the Disciple's Master before she decided to join the war. Her age isn't specified beyond wild speculation, such as yours.
Ugh, no. She was a Padawan who trained with other Padawans and inspired them, as well as those who visit Dantooine. Just as Jolee was a Padawan, but his wife wanted him to be her master, wanting someone to be your master does not make them a Knight. Beside the fact that she was recruited among Padawans, which Bastila was a part of, by Malak. All in KotOR 2, if you actually pay attention.
I'll be fair here to say I retract my previous statement and change it to "After the end of the war with Exar Kun".
In regards to her face, you have to consider the fact that KOTOR is an old game, and portraying the precise age on said character's faces with such models at the time is hard.
Or, you know, she's just not that old. KotOR is full of older people with wrinkled faces. She's simply not supposed to be that old. She was never meant to be that old, and she obviously attained master in a different way, as she never trained a single Padawan. As a peer of the Exile, which she always was, she definitely isn't pushing up there anyway.
Calm your ******, son -- I edited my post.. just not quick enough
And this is why I'm not too meh about Revan in TOR since he was never consistent. True reason I hate Revans flashpoints in TOR is how the Exile is reduced to even a bigger joke.
"Waits 300 years, but Senpai Revan never notices me."
Not even a joke.
SoR was a saturday cartoon, with a similar message, so that was actually also pretty annoying.
With Atris had a discourse on Attachments, age limits, Amount of students one can train and romance attachments. Also Hero Worship is not age exclusive. before the Novel, I view Atris's attachment to Jedi Exile that a Master views a student. Don't forget that Atris within the Kotor Comics was on the High Jedi Council with Master Vrook in one scene, Talking to Revan about Revan gathering support within the Jedi Order to fight the Mandalorians.
Keep in mind that some people look younger than they really are due to good health and Genetic and being a straight edge. Atris, her being a Jedi Master, could have found a Jedi Mediation Technique that improves one's health and connection to the force.I know that the Vanity is not the Way of Jedi but being healthy and attractive will help others to the Jedi Cause. I know people can be very shallow at times and attractive people can persuade others more easily. So it does help a Jedi to be attractive and we all know that many Female Jedi are hot. Conversely some of the Male Jedi are good looking too.
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