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[Br3admax]

A ton of unlikely things together means a very improbable situation. That being said, Atrias and the Exile are in the same age group, that's really not contestable, and the Exile is always slightly younger than Revan, and the Exile became his protege. The Exile only began her training as a Jedi ten years before the Mandalorian Wars began, that's in the campaign guide if people are looking for a source, so Atris simply cannot be that old. She's a prodigy all her own. 

[TheChris92]

Read the book then. You'll live, and It's all there. The games are not more canon *blah* blah*

No, I don't think I'll read the book matey, as I don't see why I should subjugate myself to terrible game adapted book writing, which can probably be best compared to watching a remaining of LOTR with finger puppets -- Largely though; it's not relevant to what's in the game. It's what it is in the game and established in the game that matters, because that is the central focus, everything crafted after is just so much salad dressing. I don't need anything outside the game to frame context for something that didn't need it in the first place.

 

Ugh, no. She was a Padawan who trained with other Padawans and inspired them, as well as those who visit Dantooine. Just as Jolee was a Padawan, but his wife wanted him to be her master, wanting someone to be your master does not make them a Knight. Beside the fact that she was recruited among Padawans, which Bastila was a part of, by Malak. All in KotOR 2, if you actually pay attention.

Yes, she was a Padawan once, as the hidden holo recordings of Vrook and Vandar implies -- what a shocker, but as things would have it she became a Knight before the events of the game; Obviously not a rank she could have gained during the War, as she had effectively betrayed the wishes of the Council. All things considered though; I think you should pay attention as well. The juxtaposition is as follows: Jolee Bindo weren't allowed to train his wife, while still being a Padawan, he did so against the wishes of the Jedi Council outside of their reach. The Exile, however, is a different story as she was selected to be the Disciple's master under supervision of the Council, unlike Bindo who took upon such a big responsibility himself, just as the War started. It is elaborated in dialogue with him as a female character. So, if we take all of that into consideration, then the Exile wouldn't have been allowed to train someone else, unless her training as a Padawan had ended. Take your own advice, if you wanna start be a pleb about 'someone not paying attention'.
 

Or, you know, she's just not that old. KotOR is full of older people with wrinkled faces. She's simply not supposed to be that old. She was never meant to be that old, and she obviously *blah* *blah* *self-aggrandizing-presumptous-drivel*

And what does that prove? The wrinkled people are obviously supposed to be very old, but it isn't weighed in 'either you're old or very young'. In regards to Star Wars, her looking the way she does doesn't mean she can't be 40, given how the average age of a human being most likely lasts longer in said universe (now of course that is speculation), but considering that Atris' hair colour is an unusual flair of white which only puts things into a broader perspective.

 

A KotOR discussion would be the place to finally have my mental breakdown, but okay.

It appears that it is already happening. Consider this my last post for now because it is late where I am, as if this discussion hadn't already been sucked for all of its fluids at this point, anyway; so later-tater

[Mr.House]

with me, ToR will still be a good game even without Revan or The Jedi Exile. The Revan Novel is the poorest of Drew K's novels. Yes I have his mass effects and Darth Banes books. To me, his heart wasn't in the Revan Novel. I have no anger towards Drew. I do have some anger towards some fans that wants closure without quality and canon junkies.

 

Yes I have watch the Flashpoints on Youtube.

 

 

As for me, I would love to have Revan and Jedi Exile to be retcon out of ToR and have a proper Kotor 3.

 

 

 

I am sorry for my bitchiness.

It's less to do with the book sucking and more with Drew not understanding kOTOR 2 at all and even changing stuff because it was not his game.

[DeathScepter]

Atris is supposedly an Echani and Majority of Echani have white hair similar to Atris. Also Arren Kae was supposedly An Echani. I do know some people have headcanon with merit that Arren Kae is Kreia. As for me, I do believe they might be cousin and both Echani. Within my personal backstory with Revan Arren  Kae and Kreia, Both were Revan's first teachers but It was Arren Kae that found Revan at an older age and taught him the basics and due to their attachment to each other, Kreia became Revan's first official teacher.

[Br3admax]

Atris isn't an echani. She's listed as human in the campaign guide. Aren Kae also wasn't an echani, Brianna's father was. Also, Aren Kae is said to be Revan's first master, as a Padawan, and that Revan returned to his first master when he came back from Kaas. Kreia says she was Revan's first master and that he returned to her when he returned from Kaas. 2+2=4, or so they say. 

No, I don't think I'll read the book matey, as I don't see why I should subjugate myself to terrible game adapted book writing, which can probably be best compared to watching a remaining of LOTR with finger puppets -- Largely though; it's not relevant to what's in the game. It's what it is in the game and established in the game that matters, because that is the central focus, everything crafted after is just so much salad dressing. I don't need anything outside the game to frame context for something that didn't need it in the first place.

Nope, and nope. The books and the game are just as valid as each other. You don't have to like it, but that's the truth. You don't have to care, and this is fiction, but when discussing this in a public setting, canon is canon. 

 
Yes, she was a Padawan once, as the hidden holo recordings of Vrook and Vandar implies -- what a shocker, but as things would have it she became a Knight before the events of the game; Obviously not a rank she could have gained during the War, as she had effectively betrayed the wishes of the Council. All things considered though; I think you should pay attention as well. The juxtaposition is as follows: Jolee Bindo weren't allowed to train his wife, while still being a Padawan, he did so against the wishes of the Jedi Council outside of their reach. The Exile, however, is a different story as she was selected to be the Disciple's master under supervision of the Council, unlike Bindo who took upon such a big responsibility himself, just as the War started. It is elaborated in dialogue with him as a female character. So, if we take all of that into consideration, then the Exile wouldn't have been allowed to train someone else, unless her training as a Padawan had ended. Take your own advice, if you wanna start be a pleb about 'someone not paying attention'.

False. The Exile wasn't selected to be Mical's master. Mical wanted her to be, which is a huge difference. Lucas listed the Exile as a Padawan during the Mandalorian Wars, and that's all she wrote. Like I said, you don't have to like it, but that's fact. I'm seriously having doubts you remember KotOR2 as much as you claim. If you want me to post screenshots of the conversation, I'l happily oblige. 

 

 

And what does that prove? The wrinkled people are obviously supposed to be very old, but it isn't weighed in 'either you're old or very young'. In regards to Star Wars, her looking the way she does doesn't mean she can't be 40, given how the average age of a human being most likely lasts longer in said universe (now of course that is speculation), but considering that Atris' hair colour is an unusual flair of white which only puts things into a broader perspective.

Not really. Her face isn't old because she isn't old. Yes people live longer in a galaxy far, far away, and yes Atris is Force-Sensitive. Doesn't change all the evidence to the contrary of Atris being anywhere near 40, or her somehow being able to stop aging with her magical powers only she has. Faces don't age slower either way; a person 60 there looks like a person 60 here, unless Sith alchemy is involved, and Atris definitely wasn't using that five years before KotOR2 when the Exile was tried. 

It appears that it is already happening. Consider this my last post for now because it is late where I am, as if this discussion hadn't already been sucked for all of its fluids at this point, anyway; so later-tater 

Um-hmm. Nothing you've said is actually backed up in KotOR 2, some of it directly contradicts it, so I think my mental sanity is still intact. But whenever you feel like responding, I'll still be here. 

[TheChris92]

Nope, and nope. The books and the game are just as valid as each other. You don't have to like it, but that's the truth. You don't have to care, and this is fiction, but when discussing this in a public setting, canon is canon.

 It's invalid because it is a tag-along that was created a decade later after the game was finished, and it is not needed to understand KOTOR 2, and even less validated by the fact that it is now effectively non-canon by the word of god that is LucasFilm. It doesn't matter if you discuss it on a forum, or shout it in the streets, doesn't make it any less non-canon
Understanding that, and what KOTOR 2 actually was supposed to lead up to by Chris Avellone, it's easier to not care when nothing is left to support it anyway.
 

False. The Exile wasn't selected to be Mical's master. Mical wanted her to be, which is a huge difference. Lucas listed the Exile as a Padawan during the Mandalorian Wars, and that's all she wrote. Like I said, you don't have to like it, but that's fact.

This I will actually give you points for and admit that I was wrong about as I decided to look up said conversation again -- Also, Lucas didn't do ****, as he doesn't touch the EU; That's a job done on his behalf by LucasArts and now LucasFilm. she was listed as a Jedi Knight by 'The Chronicles of The Old Republic' which was a section on the old LucasArts website dedicated to the game and telling its backstory, whether it contradicts the game or not, there it is. Some website on the net probably still have it stored.
 

Not really. Her face isn't old because she isn't old. Yes people live longer in a galaxy far, far away, and yes Atris is Force-Sensitive. Doesn't change all the evidence to the contrary of Atris being anywhere near 40, *blah *blah* *drivel*

Implying 40 years of age is old in the same fashion as Kreia? Get out, literally.

I feel like this point of discussion is ringing hollow on deaf ears -- The point was that given the game's old age, and consequently old graphics engine, trying to portay middle aged characters through visual aesthetics wasn't quite that easy. If anything, the implications that Atris had collected and salvaged history since after the end of the Great Sith War implies she's been around for some time more than measly 29 years.
I don't know where you are pulling the rest of the BS you're talking about from as that has nothing to do with what I talked about at all, or the supposed facts that favors your assumptions in regards to Atris' age beyond Drew's novel. But the discussion itself has exhausted all of its worth at this point so I don't see no need in discussing this any longer. I'm not gonna bother responding to it in case you have a follow up reply all ready to go.
 

Nothing you've said is actually backed up in KotOR 2, some of it directly contradicts it, so I think my mental sanity is still intact. But whenever you feel like responding, I'll still be here.

I gladly admit that my knowledge does not extend itself to your imaginative speculations, only the game, but I do admit being wrong about the Disciple so feel free to chew on that one at least.

If anything though, I should thank you for only encouraging me further to start playing it again.

[DeathScepter]

if they ever remaster Kotor 1, I would love this song to be within the Light side version of the Star Forge Battle and Yes to expand the Star Forge battle to make it longer and harder.