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Yet to get the Hakkon staff but people seem to think it's pretty meh. 

 

I've got a few of the new staffs like Scepter of Razikale - lvl 24, Blizzard's Path - Lvl 21 both with empty grip and staff blade however the lower level one has on kill target explodes for 100% weapon dmg... 

 

I think that is a better ability than 5% chance of fade cloak or my current Staff of the Dragon.

 

So what is considered the Fury of the Veil of this patch?

[yarpenthemad21]

I have Hakkon, still I don't have this blizzard one.

Hakkon crit damage bonus work in my opinion in best way with:

1. AW, either with SB or without. I'm using build without SB focused on detonating sleep combo with dispel/mind blast so based on spells it's electrical - spirit damage build. Hakkon nicely boosts damage from detonations and even this mana cost reduction is quite handy on AW.
As for the upgrade, crit chance for me, I have too low cunning (51) to just stack crit damage.
2. Ele with fire mine and chaotic focus (or other ele with more direct damage spells).
My build is fire wall, fire mine, barrier and fire storm, so Hakkon is mostly here for:
a) to get other type of damage to not be pure fire
to boost damage of fire mine
Fire mine with chaotic focus can hit hard. Like 12k+ hard. For me it's vital on NM so I can take down Despair Demon with one mine (without barrier) which helps a lot here + dps from autottack isn't that bad really.

3. Virtuoso - offensive version using Power Chord. This spell scales great with crit damage.



On keeper hakkon is not needed, I prefer here dragon staff so I can use barrier and static cage ring and have HoK and fire source of damage. On necro it heavily depends on builds.
Walking bomb does not benefit much from Hakkon, only first hit can crit here. To use crit damage potential you need to use offensively Fade Cloak (the most damage on necro) or maybe energy barrage. Ice damage spells deal too less to be worth it.
On necro, with virulence passive, dragon staff and it's burning at the end of autoattack can add some aoe burning potential. Still it won't add huge damage, just help with tagging enemies.

As for the Razikale staff.
It's broken. Fade cloak blocks some abilities. You won't get barrier, you won't get healh/mana from death siphon. It's cool when you can use it on demands, but sucks as random thingy.

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The Razilake definitely out powers the Dragon Staff by having craft slots, electricity dmg, I haven't been having any barrier troubles and the HoK still seems to work and the fade cloak seems to pop often.  

 

Blizzards path however does have the lower stats but the 2 craft slots and 100% wep dmg explosion on kills seems to be pretty beast if it uses the same wep dmg with abilities. 

[T_elic]

Hakkon or Razikele is probably the best choice for most classes, but on the keeper you're better off using a different elemental staff because she already has a lot of electricity damage dealing abilities. I use the staff of the dragon, but i hear yavanalis works really well on the keeper as well. I guess the guard is easy to keep up with static cage and chain lightning.

[coldflame]

The best staff is in my trousers............................ OK I'll see myself out now.

[yarpenthemad21]

The Razilake definitely out powers the Dragon Staff by having craft slots, electricity dmg, I haven't been having any barrier troubles and the HoK still seems to work and the fade cloak seems to pop often.  
 
Blizzards path however does have the lower stats but the 2 craft slots and 100% wep dmg explosion on kills seems to be pretty beast if it uses the same wep dmg with abilities.

Razikale problem is that when fade cloak pops up and in when it last you cast Barrier (or someone cast barrier on you) you won't get it.
The same with death siphon passives. HoK works, yes.

As for the blizzard...guard won't help. Average mage on player without promotion has around 600-700 health. So guard would be around 150 at full, so 1 hit pretty much.
Explosions? Mages don't have hard hitting spells, with few really exceptions like fade cloak, fire mine so it won't add the much damage really.

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It's sunder, not guard. 

 

However, I just played with the blizzards Path and I must say that it is my favourites. 

 

It was like watching popcorn, used it with Necromancer and Walking bomb, if it doesn't kill the targets, then you hit them with standard attacks and then there's fireworks everywhere. 

 

I think this staff might be a bit OP, I'm going to have to give it a go in Nightmare.

 

Do you think that's a bug with fade cloak, or is it because you are in the fade that you can't get barrier? Essentially you are in the other dimension so it would make sense not to get these.

[ruggie]

1. Hakkon (even though the magic on kill and the measly 10% less spell cost make it a joke it still has 100% crit damage)
2. Razikale. Just don't use on any barrier mage.
3. Dragon.
4. The guard on hit staff that looks like hawkes key just because frost staffs are generally weak.

[tempest238]

For the keeper and any other mage you plan on mainly using barrier with. Go for the staff with the highest DPS. It would take me a few minutes. But I could qoute Luke saying barrier strength is roughly 5500% of weapon DMG. Health also has an effect on the strength of barrier. So using a health belt and modding your staff with as much constitution as possible will help increase the strength of barrier.

 

DPS classes on the other hand. Personal preference in my opinion. As long as it has fairly good dps.

[kea_spicy]

I opened a bunch of those "Superb Requisition" chests yesterday and nabbed a Staff of the Dragon and Scepter of Razikale. 

Razikale's is working nicely on my Arcane Warrior (maybe Necro too?) but as other people have said, if the built-in Fade Cloak pops off (and this will happen A TON) when you're casting barrier, you'll miss out on it. :[

So it looks like my other mages'll be using the Dragon staff for the meantime. 

 

 

On another note: I finally managed to do a nightmare extraction on Fereldan Castle last night. I've never cast Dispel so much and been so grateful. o_0

[Unbelievabletekkers]

I just played with someone and on inquiry they told me they were using Yavanalis.  Monster staff that grants a shield as you go, Arcane warriors get their usual barrier stacked with a guard meter !!  Too OP!

[nibyl]

I just played with someone and on inquiry they told me they were using Yavanalis.  Monster staff that grants a shield as you go, Arcane warriors get their usual barrier stacked with a guard meter !!  Too OP!

Maybe on level 1. Ideally AW shouldn't be taking health damage anyway so the guard is kinda wasted on him.

[Kalas Magnus]

id use the blizzard staff. dont have it yet.

 

the hakkon and razikale are glitched.

[Shiratori]

Maybe on level 1. Ideally AW shouldn't be taking health damage anyway so the guard is kinda wasted on him.

Guard is not wasted on him. Even if it only soaks up 1 hit (esp. on higher levels when barriers can and will be blasted from full to nothing quickly) that still gives you that extra moment to get your barrier back before dying. Then the process repeats as you build it back up again. AW would be the 1 class that would benefit the most from this. Maybe the necromancer too since she has no barrier.

[yarpenthemad21]

Guard is not wasted on him. Even if it only soaks up 1 hit (esp. on higher levels when barriers can and will be blasted from full to nothing quickly) that still gives you that extra moment to get your barrier back before dying. Then the process repeats as you build it back up again. AW would be the 1 class that would benefit the most from this. Maybe the necromancer too since she has no barrier.

I think it works better with keeper.

She does not need damage, so stats are irrelevant here, and base damage is enough for barrier.
For Mana Surge passive you need to w8 for barrier to decay fully and after that recast it. So for brief moment she stand without barrier and here this guard would help in some way. Also it's hard on keeper to get kills so HoK is way less effective than on necro with deathsiphon or AW with better offensive potential.

[Medallian]

Yet to get the Hakkon staff but people seem to think it's pretty meh. 

 

I've got a few of the new staffs like Scepter of Razikale - lvl 24, Blizzard's Path - Lvl 21 both with empty grip and staff blade however the lower level one has on kill target explodes for 100% weapon dmg... 

 

I think that is a better ability than 5% chance of fade cloak or my current Staff of the Dragon.

 

So what is considered the Fury of the Veil of this patch?

he hokkon weapons are end game weapons, they really dont shine unless you have high stats, .... other wise alot of the lvl 24, 25 weapons are alot better

[Felis Menari]

he hokkon weapons are end game weapons, they really dont shine unless you have high stats, .... other wise alot of the lvl 24, 25 weapons are alot better

Hakkon weapons are awesome for everyone, regardless of promotion levels (though some folks are underwhelmed by the staff). Some weapons may be better for certain things (Heartstring bow or Savage Thorn for survivability), but the Hakkon weapons are second to none when it comes to damage output.

[Zander-o-]

HERE IS A TIP

 

Don't use the Razilake (or however it's spelled) on virtuoso or any selfbuffing characters. While you are in Fade Cloak you shouldn't be affected by any status effects or damage. This includes, among other things, being on fire, recieving barrier or any buff (like the ones virtuoso has. If you use one while cloaked you won't recieve its effect) or debuff.

I don't have any footage of this, so if you don't believe me test it for yourselves.

 

Sorry if this was already know or mentioned here, I didn't read the whole post and I just wanted to share this tidbit of information. Thanks.