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[Dai Grepher]

Um, who wrote that they wanted to rape NPCs?

[Dieb]

People on the BSN.

 

 

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Oh, and this guy, right in this very thread.

 

 

 

You actually want the option to rape people in a video game?

 

 

Sure why not after all it is fictional character in fictional world ,so for me it will be just an extra possibility to create certain type of character.

[maia0407]

Here are the rape posts I'm referring to:

 
I wouldn't mind options to raid village , kill or rape but probably last one would have caused massive s*** storm that i even don't blame bioware for not putting such .

 

So, to clarify, I asked the following and got two responses:

 

You actually want the option to rape people in a video game?

  

Sure why not after all it is fictional character in fictional world ,so for me it will be just an extra possibility to create certain type of character.

  

If the storyline were to come up somehow, absolutely! Because that also means the option NOT to rape. Also, Weekes and Gaider confirmed that DA:I had a rape storyline planned for it. But it was scrapped because they felt it would distract from the main plot too much.

For the record, a rape storyline doesn't mean the player will have the option to rape npc's.

[Umaya]

This thread is getting uglier and uglier, and getting nowhere, can a MOD close this off.

[Kakistos_]

If topic is brought up yes i want to have ability express various opinions on that topic ,avoiding that your examples are deliberately immature to prove your point.

 

Not to mention you are comparing minor appearance characteristics to pretty much major things including things that are part of life style.

 

Being Transgender is NOT a "life style". It is no more a choice than being born with red hair or any of the aforementioned physical characteristics, the comparison is accurate. You don't seem to understand what you are talking about. I would be happy to provide reading material.

[andy6915]

Andy, just curious, how many points do you have? I dunno, the idea that you can discuss 'half' your points (like it's normal to have so many that you can half them) is sort of funny. Just to poke a hole in the argument that mods hate anti-feminists, I was issued a warning point once for making fun of a poster that was making sexist remarks about women. I didn't curse, name call or anything like that but I did attack the person and not the argument.

 

I have 10, 3 of which came from this topic alone in the last 48 hours. A good number are about "discussing political subjects"... In topics where the entire point of the topic was about politics of some form, like that one about "Kotaku article about portrayal of women in games" topic. I discussed politics like everyone else in a topic all about that, and yet only my posts get marked for expressing political views? Sounds to me like my political views are simply ones that the moderator doesn't like, if I'm the only one being targeted for something everyone else is doing. Pro-feminist, post stays up. Anti-feminist, you're expressing political views which is against the rules. And I'm looking at my warnings now and telling you exactly what reasons are cited, so this isn't me misremembering. Though some I can't give details on because the moderator conveniently left out the reason and all it says is "your post in [insert topic] has been deleted for [blank]" without showing me what actual post.

 

By the way, was that warning point from a moderator with 07 in the name? Because he or she is the one that has given me 6 out of my 10, all in just the last 2 months alone. And I've been here since 2009 and my behavior hasn't really changed since then, so it's not that I'm being worse than I used to be. 6 warning points in 2 months, after only getting 4 between 2009 and 2014.

[The_Shade]

Worst thread I've read in a very long time. 

 

Sums up the current state of the BSN sadly. 

[Youknow]

So, sometimes change improves things and sometimes it doesn't?

Yes, but that's not what I was talking about at all. Sometimes when a new writer takes over, the story goes in a different direction. It's not necessarily better or worse, just in a different direction the show was originally intended to go. IE, you can see that in Mass Effect that the story did go off in a largely different direction in 3 than it did from 1 and 2. Whether it was better or worse from that, I don't know, but the fact of the matter is that it's not the same thing. 

[Lady Artifice]

Sheesh, this was an unpleasant reading experience. 

 

One thing, about vampires. The lore there used to be considerably less sensual, more associated with disease and vermin than any kind of romantic mystique.

 

 

 

 

And Dracula, the work that initiated the change in the perception was a concept created by a male person. 

[AresKeith]

Sheesh, this was an unpleasant reading experience. 

 

One thing, about vampires. The lore there used to be considerably less sensual, more associated with disease and vermin than any kind of romantic mystique.

 

 

 

 

And Dracula, the work that initiated the change in the perception was a concept created by a male person. 

 

And then things like Twilight and Vampire diary happened

[Andraste_Reborn]

And Dracula, the work that initiated the change in the perception was a concept created by a male person. 

 

Actually, while Dracula popularised the idea of the sexy vampire, there's at least one earlier iteration - Carmilla by Sheridan Le Fanu. Still written by a dude, but the vampire in that one was an Evol Lesbian .

[Youknow]

Being Transgender is NOT a "life style". It is no more a choice than being born with red hair or any of the aforementioned physical characteristics, the comparison is accurate. You don't seem to understand what you are talking about. I would be happy to provide reading material.

Well I wouldn't say it's more like red hair as it doesn't really seem to have anything conclusive for why it happens. The most popular theory seems to be based off of hormonal issues-- which might mean that it's less genetics and more environment that's causing the problem. Which-- if that's true, does mean that transgender birth can in fact be controlled. That might help people that haven't yet been conceived, but for the ones that haven't, it's a bit sketchy in general. Regardless, people that are already born? it's up in arms if it's truly a choice or not. It's best to just respect both people's opinions on that whether they agree or disagree with it simply because of how it works. Best not to call anyone stupid or bigots when we don't even have 100% crystal clear, the gravity exists, 1 + 1 = 2 when all numbers are integers levels of proof. Sadly, some people seem to be born as chimera's however, and their parents simply choose the wrong sex when they are born (bless them for having something so awful happen). But I really don't think those should be counted as transgender. It's not quite the same. 

 

On topic: this topic really pisses me off. Here's what I think man, you should like... Be able to question things that appear in a game. Removing the options to inquire about it-- whether positive or negative is just awful. If you're going to do that, don't make a game where you push your political agenda while simultaneously having a malleable protagonist. It doesn't make a person a bigot because they believe opinions that might be less popular. After all, if it did, then we'd never be able to have progression of anything. If you truly stand for freedom and moving forward as a species, opposition should be able to be expressed as much as support. You can't have a positive side without the negative side. Without it, a person can't even begin to see a positive light because they can never have their opinion challenged. Just dismissed, and when you do that, no one wins. Because neither of you can learn from each other. Because contrary to popular belief, arguing with people can either help to develop your opinion fully, fortify it, or alter it. Forcing it on people, no matter how altruistic one might believe they are being, doesn't help anyone.

 

Don't tell me "I'm going to put a transgender in the game and you can't say anything negative about it." Instead, just put a transgender in the game, and no one cares about it-- and I mean this both in game and outside of the game. Let me be completely real here: In Dragon Age, why in the Sam Hill would someone HAVE the time to care about a transgender being in their troops? Most of the time, the fate of the world is at stake and I think that's a bit more important than whether Robin likes to wear a skirt or likes to wear a dress. Hell, being transgender shouldn't even matter especially because anyone wearing frilly ,weak, outfits  that aren't proper attire for the setting deserved to have themselves get wrecked. All any sane person would see are people that want to fight, and could or assist in whatever efforts I'm doing to try to win. As a result of the comments from some of the writers, at this point, it doesn't even feel like progress. It just feels like Bioware's sick and twisted game of "being progressive" when the reality is that they are doing it to draw attention to themselves to try to get under the media... Sort of like what happened with Mass Effect with the exaggerated sex scenes. 

 

For all I know, those bloody NPCs could be transgender. It. Doesn't. Matter. So stop trying to bring attention to yourselves about how "noble" and "progressive" you are by shouting to the heavens about how you're going to put these things in there. I'm sorry, but it's... Like as bad as people that go to church and boast about all the good they've done in the world. If you really want to help the world as much as you boasted, you'd still be helping the world rather than talking. Just... Stop. Please. It's kind of making me feel ill, and I'm starting to lose sight of if people actually care, or they care enough simply to drag attention to themselves. 

 

In game: I don't think the writer should ever go out of their way to stunt character responses. This type of mindset gets you into shoddy writing for RPGs. It's how you funnel people into having a "choice but not a choice" choices. It's also where you get your character having things like say "encouraging Leliana to be a killer" when your character never actively said anything to her, and cannot provide even a decent argument for why it's not your fault for why Leliana is too weak willed to actually pick a belief and stick with it despite what people say. And yes, this is because of stunted responses, because if it weren't, the writer might have remembered that a person might not care to interfere with Leliana's job, and you can't even take a "I didn't say anything because I let you do your job, don't blame me for your own actions," stance. You can't even defend your own character.It's how you get things like Sheperd sounding like a total idiot anytime a morality battle crops up because Sheperd can't do anything but get buffeted around by an exposition dump and not provide a counterargument worth anything because the writer says "this character is right," so your character must accept what was said to him, whether you disagree as a player or not. Such things should not be encouraged in a RPG. If you want to have a straight up story for the game, you know you do? Don't make a RPG. RPG is a Role Playing Game. RPGs are not about the leveling, they are not about the different classes necessarily, it's about being able to take on a role and play through a game. If Bioware doesn't want to provide that , why am I playing? I like seeing different responses to people. I like to see what was going through the writer's head as I make different choices-- even small ones that let me see silly little 1 or 2 line branches in dialogue. So please. Avoid situations that can come up where a person might want to punch a person in the face if you want to have the "rend face off" option be mysteriously unaccounted for.

 

Sheesh. I hate this.

[Lady Artifice]

And then things like Twilight and Vampire diary happened

 

An unfortunate consequence, possibly inevitable. It was a progression though. If it weren't for Dracula, and then Anne Rice, and plenty of other works in between, Twilight probably wouldn't have happened. 

 

 

Actually, while Dracula popularised the idea of the sexy vampire, there's at least one earlier iteration - Carmilla by Sheridan Le Fanu. Still written by a dude, but the vampire in that one was an Evol Lesbian .

 

 

Ah, right. And also Polidori wrote The Vampyre even earlier in 1819, which might have initiated the whole thing. 

[Donk]

Why is this thread still going?

I find it funny that I get a warning point for making a joke thread, or using a "naughty" word yet people can advocate rape and get away with it just because they mask it in an "intellectual" manner.

I find out funny how an off topic thread I made gets locked for "off topic".

What is this thread about, exactly? The title indicates a discussion about who will be writing the DA series after Gaider left.

What's it about now?

First we had Anita Sarkeesian, then we had that dread transgender agenda, throw in some vampires and now a sick self entitled advocacy of the option of raping somebody.

I will probably get banned for this, but I kinda wish these sickos with their rape fantasy go to jail one day, and get forced into being somebody's b*tch, so much so that taking a dump will never be the same again. I hope it happens again and again and again, to the point it haunts your dreams and let's see if you wish you could rape again, video game or not.

[Dabrikishaw]

I think Vampires could stand being more like giant Man-Bats then normal human looking personally.

 

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[Lady Artifice]

Why is this thread still going?

I find it funny that I get a warning point for making a joke thread, or using a "naughty" word yet people can advocate rape and get away with it just because they mask it in an "intellectual" manner.

I find out funny how an off topic thread I made gets locked for "off topic".

What is this thread about, exactly? The title indicates a discussion about who will be writing the DA series after Gaider left.

What's it about now?

First we had Anita Sarkeesian, then we had that dread transgender agenda, throw in some vampires and now a sick self entitled advocacy of the option of raping somebody.

I will probably get banned for this, but I kinda wish these sickos with their rape fantasy go to jail one day, and get forced into being somebody's b*tch, so much so that taking a dump will never be the same again. I hope it happens again and again and again, to the point it haunts your dreams and let's see if you wish you could rape again, video game or not.

 

Sorry. I was just on one of my normal tangents, without considering some people would just want this thread to end. 

[Donk]

Sorry. I was just on one of my normal tangents, without considering some people would just want this thread to end. 

 

Oh I wasn't directing that at you, Artifice! You sure as hell shouldn't be apologizing.

 

While I did mention vampires, it was to outline a point about the mods. The only problem I have about the subject matter is the rape advocacy. To clarify; I don't actually give a toss about the off-topic stuff. But the mods apparently do.. when it suits them.

[Donk]

And here I thought you were just all about fun and games (with mabari and nuns).

 

But I agree.

 

Most of the time I am fun and games, with momentary lapses of serious discussion

[TheKomandorShepard]

ha, ha, ha! Yeah, I hope that nobody is actually trying to argue that transphobic people don't exist in the gaming community. That idea is up there with pigs flying and the like.

 

Seriously though, you can only get so far with arguing with people that have already admitted that they would like to roleplay a rapist. After those admissions, I washed my hands of those two. Not touching those types of people.

Oh boy somone got lost in fictional world and can't distinguish it with real world , that is rly sad that you are fine with mass murdering people video games and yet scream in horror in thought of option to play rapist in video game.

 

 

People wanted to rape NPCs. Themselves. For roleplaying's sake.

 

Thank god for GoT and everybody's sudden "sexual maturity", eh?

So i guess genocide and selling child soul for sex are fine but rape "no,it is evil".I think some people rly need to mature to some topics if you are allowed to be monster ,rape is only another action that leads to being one.  

 

"Not knowing what I'm talking about"

 

I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to have a doctorate in "roleplaying".

 

Also, the stereotype of red heads having no soul is about as immature as the stereotype that transgender individuals don't exist.

 

 

You already can be a giant jerk in the game. I have an evil overlord playthrough myself and while I do feel it's been toned down somewhat, I also feel it wouldn't fit for a huge, well known organization to have a total douche at the throne. Either way there's plenty of other ways to be a total dick. Including discrimination.

 

And I'm using "people" because I don't know exact numbers and because I don't know if it's the majority or minority. But there's quite a lot of them out there. Should be obvious.

 

 

You don't but i was refering to your outright ridiculous claims that people that want to option to disagree on something want that because they are racist/homophobes it would be pretty much equal to calling you mass murderer for playing in dragon age inquistion.

 

That isn't sterotype at least i never heard about such ,it is an opinion second is stereotype and pretty much type of that you can hear in the school yard rather than from an adult. 

 

 

Being Transgender is NOT a "life style". It is no more a choice than being born with red hair or any of the aforementioned physical characteristics, the comparison is accurate. You don't seem to understand what you are talking about. I would be happy to provide reading material.

Before you jump on me at least read what i said.I didn't say it was choice i said it was part of life style and quite important one so nope...

[maia0407]

How far down the depraved scale are you willing to go for the benefit of your roleplaying experience? Is pedophilia okay? Bestiality? Do you have any concept of limits at all or is it all fair game because we can kill bad guys in a video game? Do you run around telling soldiers that they are the moral equivalent of rapists because they kill people as well?

[andy6915]

Ugh, this topic needs locked. It's become corrupted and tainted, and like with the darkspawn taint it needs to be cleansed with fire. I mean, it went from "we'd like choices to be an evil character" to "I want the choice to be super evil by raping children and animals"... [disgusted noise]

[maia0407]

The only positive I can note is that these guys are outing themselves for what they are; makes it easier to avoid engaging them in the future since I know their mentality. But, at the very least, this thread could use a trigger warning.

 

To answer a previous question, my warning was from 01.

[Donk]

How far down the depraved scale are you willing to go for the benefit of your roleplaying experience? Is pedophilia okay? Bestiality? Do you have any concept of limits at all or is it all fair game because we can kill bad guys in a video game? Do you run around telling soldiers that they are the moral equivalent of rapists because they kill people as well?

But apparently it's okay because you *should* be allowed that option. It's just a game right? *sarcasm*

Ironically, a poster who supports that argument stated that it shouldn't be okay for Krem to punch the Inquisitor in response to nasty comments, because it would be a bad representation of transgenders.. *rolls eyes*

All I'm seeing here in this thread is the representation of worthless scum.

[andy6915]

To answer a previous question, my warning was from 01.

 

Then I think I can consider official, or as official as it can be. The 07 mod is corrupt, and abuses their power by shutting down anyone who argues against the political views they have by finding or even making up reasons to delete your posts or even punish you with a suspension. As I thought, the mod that seems to be on my back constantly is of course not the same one who would actually do anything to someone for merely flaming a sexist to women even if that too is technically against the rules. And now that I specifically called them out way earlier in this thread, this will probably get even worse for me. And when you consider they've modded me 6 times in 2 months, well...

 

Is there some way to go above them and tell the one in charge of deciding who become a moderator that this particular one probably shouldn't be one anymore? Someone like this being a moderator is a very bad thing, because they're moderating from a point of political ideology rather than treating everyone fairly. And I have personal motivation, since this moderator is probably not going to stop until they find an excuse to ban me entirely even if I don't deserve it. Granted, this is merely suspicion... But there's enough evidence to at least not be able to completely disregard the suspicion out of hand.