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[andy6915]

Reposting on this page in case people jump right to the newest page.

Really? That is interesting. I'll need to go off and youtube it cause I've never seen this. Of course, if that's what the OP was referring to, then I'll take back what I said and admit that I completely misunderstood.

Choice 3.

[maia0407]

No you are just failing to understand diffrence between doing something in real life and in the game.As i said you want real equivalent you still have genocide or killing another people (and no im not talking about your "bad guys" in self-defence).

You keep going on and on about the difference between playing a video game and real life as if your choices in a video game happen in a vacuum. They don't. The fact that you want to rape in a video game says something about your thought process (and that something is not good) and the culture you live in that influences you. Additionally, BW does not create video games in a vacuum either. They wisely restrain themselves from offering the most depraved choices in a video game. They get that their game speaks to their values as a company and will appeal to certain types of gamers. I'm certain that they aren't trying to appeal to rape enthusiasts.

[andy6915]

This is sarcasm, don't take seriously.

You know what DA? Child rape. I mean, didn't anyone else want to utterly wreck that Amalia girl's virginity in the DLC mission where you get Shale? She was the little girl you can either let the demon possess or save her from the desire demon... Desire demons really like children apparently, seeing as how often they "want inside" children.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You keep going on and on about the difference between playing a video game and real life as if your choices in a video game happen in a vacuum. They don't. The fact that you want to rape in a video game says something about your thought process (and that something is not good) and the culture you live in that influences you. Additionally, BW does not create video games in a vacuum either. They wisely restrain themselves from offering the most depraved choices in a video game. They get that their game speaks to their values as a company and will appeal to certain types of gamers. I'm certain that they aren't trying to appeal to rape enthusiasts.

Because they do ,those horrible things you preform on pixels that don't feel anything and no they don't i gave you examples when they allow you to do horrible things to characters in video games.So pretty much by your logic bioware.condones and even supports slavery and genocide just because they gave you such options in video games ,it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

[andy6915]

Because they do ,those horrible things you preform on pixels that don't feel anything and no they don't i gave you examples when they allow you to do horrible things to characters in video games.So pretty much by your logic bioware.condones and even supports slavery and genocide just because they gave you such options in video games ,it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

 

You don't get it. Why do you want to be able to rape npc's is the question, not whether it should even be a choice or not.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You don't get it. Why do you want to be able to rape npc's is the question, not whether it should even be a choice or not.

I did answer this already when one user asked it. Simple reason ,it would be one more choice that allows  you to shape your character same like for an example connor example i provided or giving child in lothering money.

[andy6915]

I did answer this already when one user asked it. Simple reason ,it would be one more choice that allows  you to shape your character same like for an example connor example i provided or giving child in lothering money.

 

And if I want to be able to have sex with children in the game... You would have no issues with that? How about mutilation, being able to carve "art" into people's corpses after having sex with said corpse? Cannibalism, what if I want to eat an npc I don't like? I'm not one to do slippery slopes, but I'm trying to figure out where the hell your slope finally stops. Right now the slope looks to not even have a bottom to it.

[The Oracle]

The fact is, as much as we debate it, these options will never be in game because it's a) Too far into the territory of condoning things such as homophobia, rape, racism etc. b ) It's far too far out of the morally grey area that your PC can stretch in. Making hasty bargains with demons to solve pressing current disasters while eeking out aspects for your own gain with no care for later consequences, is about as close to dark as we'll get with Bioware. c) The number who would actually want this in game is so small, couple with the disgusted backlash from community and general media alike, that it would most likely sink the game and end the reputation of the company. Sure, people would buy it for the shock value of seeing it, but the number of loyal fans lost would be huge as would public opinion. Also, many governments subsidise companies and give tax exemptions. These would come under some pretty major threat.

 

Raping prisoners, npc companions, children or the helpless will never be in a Bioware game. I would bet my bank account on it. To wish it from a Bioware game is to completely ignore the company and franchise that has been built.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And if I want to be able to have sex with children in the game... You would have no issues with that? How about mutilation, being able to carve "art" into people's corpses after having sex with said corpse? I'm not one to do slippery slopes, but I'm trying to figure out where the hell your slope finally stops. Right now the slope looks to not even have a bottom to it.

Well don't mind it perhaps even i would use such option to create quite disturbing character.In ideal game i would have absolute freedom in shaping own character so i doubt i have limits what you shouldn't do in video games.Do you know about rape simulator that apparently is exactly what it says and is detailed , never played and im not rly interested in playing but i have nothing against this game no one forces people to play in it. 

 

 

The fact is, as much as we debate it, these options will never be in game because it's a) Too far into the territory of condoning things such as homophobia, rape, racism etc. b ) It's far too far out of the morally grey area that your PC can stretch in. Making hasty bargains with demons to solve pressing current disasters while eeking out aspects for your own gain with no care for later consequences, is about as close to dark as we'll get with Bioware. c) The number who would actually want this in game is so small, couple with the disgusted backlash from community and general media alike, that it would most likely sink the game and end the reputation of the company. Sure, people would buy it for the shock value of seeing it, but the number of loyal fans lost would be huge as would public opinion. Also, many governments subsidise companies and give tax exemptions. These would come under some pretty major threat.

 

Raping prisoners, npc companions, children or the helpless will never be in a Bioware game. I would bet my bank account on it. To wish it from a Bioware game is to completely ignore the company and franchise that has been built.

I also doubt that bioware will put that ,at least not in near future (and as i said im not suprised by their decision as that would have cause massive s... storm) , but your reason is wrong as again it has nothing about "grey" area because options they present in fact aren't always "grey". True reason is that people are quite hypocritical about it and are fine in fact with doing horrible things to others in video games but can't handle topic of rape and use morality as shield.

 

 

 

 

[maia0407]

Oh my, keep feeding him rope Andy. lol He's hanging himself.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh my, keep feeding him rope Andy. lol He's hanging himself.

im not, only you were doing that by your ridiculous statements and arguments that were mixing actions and views in video games with those in real life.

[maia0407]

And, now we're in for a round of "nuh-uh! You are!" I'll play.

 

ARE TOO!

 

Seriously though, virtual reality is made by and played by minds that exist in reality. You can't turn off your psychology while playing a game. People that argue this vigorously for rape, child rape, cannibalism, torture, etc. in a video game are suspect to me. It says something about you, whether you like it or not, that you are fixated on getting to act out these fantasies in a game.

 

With that, I'm done with you. I said earlier I wouldn't argue with people like you as it goes nowhere and just gives you a platform to express sick fantasies. I got sucked in. Oh, well.

[The Oracle]

But it IS morally grey. A dark grey, yes. One that makes you wonder what the hell they were doing. Not, however black.

 

So okay, what's the worst thing that we have the option to do in the Dragon Age series so far (in your opinion)? Is it the Connor thing with the desire demon? Killing Lothering merchant? Sacrificing the Dalish clan for the Werewolf support?

 

Desire Demon - You have to get Arl Eamon's support to eventually overthrow Loghain and cure the Blight, saving most of Southern Thedas. To do this, you need to deal with Connor. Demon says "Hey, I'll leave and you'll get what your support, you won't have to kill me and possibly die to do it (therefore putting at risk the chance of stopping the Blight) but I may come back and get Connor afterwards. Oh and, I'll give you a "boon" of your choice. Being evil, you can chose to get something useful to help you, or sex (not so useful) but ultimately, the demon leaves and Arl Eamon helps. Mission accomplished, all be it morally questioning way.

 

Lothering Merchant - Using his produce to take advantage of the destitute refugees in Lothering in order to profit from the misery of the Blight. The most evil option, agreeing to help and then knifing him. Horrible option yes, horrible person too, but you get silver to help your cause and the townspeople will get his wares. It's wrong, but both you and the people will get some benefit.

 

Dalish Clan - Choice between two genocides, innocent people will be killed either option. All you know is that you need the help of one group to save the rest of Thedas. Ugly choice but a necessary one that falls into sacrifice the few for the good of many. Absolutely morally grey.

 

In contrast:

 

Rape someone - Gains you nothing. I don't know of a way that this can be written that by doing so, you would be furthering the goals of your mission. No allies gained, no-one helped even remotely by the action. Not morally grey in any sense of the word because it's done solely with the intention of dominating and abusing another person.

 

You can't say "doing bad things for the eventual greater good" which is how the evil PC characters of Bioware have always been, It would just be "doing bad things" for the hell of it. 

[Joseph Warrick]

Describing trans people as just tomboys (misrepresentation) and butch (slur).

 

Whew what a relief I did not do that. I was talking about Qunari people. Which Krem is not. Qunari women. Keep up mate.

 

The Qunari. The Qunari is the religion that tells people they´re men or women depending on stereotypes. You like fighting? You're not a woman! You're Aqun Atlok! Which means man! Come join us in the army, bro! Oh, what was that? You're not a bro? Then get out of that armor, woman. That's not your place, woman.

 

Is it that hard to understand that the world does not revolve around Krem? That the Qun is bad for other reasons, namely their doctrine on women and sex-based stereotypes?

 

When Cassandra asks the Bull what she is to him, he evades the question with a joke. Because he doesn't have a good answer. The ability to follow up on that would have been good. Again, this is something you could do in Mark of the Assassin when you're locked in a cell with Tallis.

 

The problem is that since this backwards belief of the Qun does not set at least some transgender people back (because some of them, like Krem, are happy to adhere to the lifestyle of an average man - doing manly things like joining the army), then they are considered good and progressive. And since they are good and progressive, if you challenge them, you are bad and reactionary.

 

It doesn't occur to anybody that you can have no problem with Krem and yet have big problems with a religion that, while accepting Krem because he doesn't upset the statu quo, still holds beliefs that are very objectionable. Such as Cassandra being a man.

 

Now, summary for thick people: I would have wanted to challenge THE IRON BULL when he explains THE QUN, not to Krem. Got it now?

[andy6915]

Oh my, keep feeding him rope Andy. lol He's hanging himself.

 

Seems like you went from hating me and refusing to watch a video I wanted you to... To actually not minding me anymore. Maybe now you no longer think I'm the woman-hating misogynist you probably thought I was, and now it's more clear that my views and opinions aren't that simple?

 

Spoiler

You could still watch that vid, if you're now having a sliver of respect for me now.

[maia0407]

@Joseph: Yes, but you used the words tomboy and butch to describe them, not the Quanari. Keep up.

[maia0407]

Seems like you went from hating me and refusing to watch a video I wanted you to... To actually not minding me anymore. Maybe now you no longer think I'm the woman-hating misogynist you probably thought I was, and now it's more clear that my views and opinions aren't that simple?

 

Spoiler

You could still watch that vid, if you're now having a sliver of respect for me now.

Never really hated you. You aggressively attacked me personally in my first two encounters with you so I responded in kind. And, no, I don't think you necessarily hate women but I do think you are listening to some people that are on the wrong side of some issues. At any rate, I think I understand you a bit better now and can laugh off some of the more over the top statements. So, yeah, I like you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And, now we're in for a round of "nuh-uh! You are!" I'll play.

 

ARE TOO!

 

Seriously though, virtual reality is made by and played by minds that exist in reality. You can't turn off your psychology while playing a game. People that argue this vigorously for rape, child rape, cannibalism, torture, etc. in a video game are suspect to me. It says something about you, whether you like it or not, that you are fixated on getting to act out these fantasies in a game.

 

With that, I'm done with you. I said earlier I wouldn't argue with people like you as it goes nowhere and just gives you a platform to express sick fantasies. I got sucked in. Oh, well.

Just saying facts.

 

Oh i went on killing spree in Gta (so does many other players) does that mean i will go in real life?From i know doing something in video game doesn't negatively affects your mental heatlh (at least not to the point it is significant) otherwise many players would be either stone-cold killers or would suffer ptsd.   

 

I argue on rape because i was asked what i do think about rape in video games and then you tried paint me as i was serial rapist in real life and you are trying do it again claming do i do have some kind sick fantasies ( ) , what rly shows again you have problems with distinguishing video games and real life.

 

 

Chop

 

Not dark grey in first place ,grey is when character is well-intentioned but does not very nice things ,when you are given options to do crappy things for self-serving reasons and that is black in fiction.

 

As for worst option, well i don't rly have one but i can point most petty ones like as i said cammen and gheyna , killing all mages because you hate them or circle ,or inflicting suffering on dalish guy with ww wife by toying with him about his wife fate and list goes on.

 

There is gain for rapist ,it is pleasure because it isn't they rape for no reason after all. Again giving child money in lothering doesn't further or even have anything with main plot in first place it serves only roleplaying ,so pretty much conversations with companions or their quests ,if you want closer example it would be judgements in dai many options doesn't affect you or provide gain for inquisition and yet they are there.

[BioWareMod01]

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