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[maia0407]

And, here we go. You disagreeing with Sarkeesian doesn't excuse death and rape threats. Way to latch on to your irrational hatred of her and not say anything about the threats over her criticism of a video game. Priorities, get some.

[Ashaantha]

Criticism doesn't necessarily rise to the level of harassment.  Was he being sent death and rape threats or doxxed? Was anyone threatening to show up at his house and teach him a lesson? Nope. Those are tactics used against feminists like Sarkeesian. That's harassment and bullying.  Saying that a shirt is a problem and explaining why is not. I'll admit, I felt bad for the guy when he cried but my feeling bad for him didn't change the fact that his shirt was still sexist.

 

Seriously? you think the only form of bullying is threats of physical taunts? wow.. If a person was affected emotionally then yes, it was bullying. It doesn't matter how, or why the bullying happened. Humiliation is bullying. Criticism if done in a manner to harm the other person, either their mental state or their reputation, is bullying.

 

You've just, in that comment, told me you are all for harassment and bullying due to turning a blind eye to what either of them actually is.

[andy6915]

And, here we go. You disagreeing with Sarkeesian doesn't excuse death and rape threats. Way to latch on to your irrational hatred of her and not say anything about the threats over her criticism of a video game. Priorities, get some.

Half of those threats come from herself to herself. She gets money for it, she's literally turned being a victim into her job. Every new threat equals another big check to her for interviews like going to the Colbert Report or gets a lot of sympathy money as donations. She's turned victimhood into a livelihood, and you'd know that if you looked into her. And the threats? EVERY time she's fine to the police and FBI They tell her it's not credible, not a real threat. And if it was, they ALWAYS TELL YOU to not tell anyone because it simply eggs on the ones doing the threats even more. So what did she do? Runs to Twitter every time to tell the whole internet get more attention (and money), which is something you dint do if you're ACTUALLY threatened. Jack Thompson got more legit threats than her. I said half were from herself, yeah? The other half is trolls who aren't serious.

[maia0407]

Seriously? you think the only form of bullying is threats of physical taunts? wow.. If a person was affected emotionally then yes, it was bullying. It doesn't matter how, or why the bullying happened. Humiliation is bullying. Criticism if done in a manner to harm the other person, either their mental state or their reputation, is bullying.

 

You've just, in that comment, told me you are all for harassment and bullying due to turning a blind eye to what either of them actually is.

You are still missing the point. Are you actually arguing that wrongs can't be criticized because the person in the wrong might get their feelings hurt? If all criticism is bullying, we can't criticize the Klan as our humiliating criticism might hurt their feelings. There's a difference between criticism and bullying; you don't just get to disingenuously assert there isn't because you don't like the nature of the criticism.

[maia0407]

Half of those threats come from herself to herself. She gets money for it, she's literally turned being a victim into her job. Every new threat equals another big check to her for interviews like going to the Colbert Report or gets a lot of sympathy money as donations. She's turned victimhood into a livelihood, and you'd know that if you looked into her. And the threats? EVERY time she's fine to the police and FBI They tell her it's not credible, not a real threat. And if it was, they ALWAYS TELL YOU to not tell anyone because it simply eggs on the ones doing the threats even more. So what did she do? Runs to Twitter every time to tell the whole internet get more attention (and money), which is something you dint do if you're ACTUALLY threatened. Jack Thompson got more legit threats than her. I said half were from herself, yeah? The other half is trolls who aren't serious.

Please show me your proof that 'half' of the threats she received are from herself. Also, please tell me how you know the intent of the 'other half' that you attribute to not-serious trolls.

[Donk]

[andy6915]

Please show me your proof that 'half' of the threats she received are from herself. Also, please tell me how you know the intent of the 'other half' that you attribute to not-serious trolls.

 

Half is a guess, but it's one of those things where just one instance is enough to prove a point. This is somewhat circumstantial, you're not going to see a direct confession or anything. But the evidence that is there is damning.

 

http://www.returnofk...against-herself

 

 

 

As for the credibility of the threats-

 

http://www.usu.edu/t...ex.cfm?id=54180

 

Throughout the day, Tuesday, Oct. 14, USU police and administrators worked with state and federal law enforcement agencies to assess the threat to our USU community and Ms. Sarkeesian. Together, we determined that there was no credible threat to students, staff or the speaker, and that this letter was intended to frighten the university into cancelling the event.

[andy6915]

Oh, and for the best damn argument anyone could put forth, put 20 minutes aside and watch this. If you're not convinced by the end, you're willfully blind.

 

[maia0407]

Half is a guess, but it's one of those things where just one instance is enough to prove a point. This is somewhat circumstantial, you're not going to see a direct confession or anything. But the evidence that is there is damning.

 

http://www.returnofk...against-herself

 

 

 

As for the credibility of the threats-

 

http://www.usu.edu/t...ex.cfm?id=54180

 

Throughout the day, Tuesday, Oct. 14, USU police and administrators worked with state and federal law enforcement agencies to assess the threat to our USU community and Ms. Sarkeesian. Together, we determined that there was no credible threat to students, staff or the speaker, and that this letter was intended to frighten the university into cancelling the event.

You are right, all of that is purely speculation. And, the guy goes on to make weird statements about how 'vampirism is a female fantasy' as an actual argument. Credibility, zero. Just sounds like another nasty little gamer boy trying to tear down a woman that dared to criticize his favorite video game.

 

As to the second link, your very quote states that USU determined someone was trying to shut down the event. Now, why aren't you crying out in outrage that someone tried to shut down a university speaking event by sending threats? Oh, that's right, you don't like her message so you don't have a problem with the methods used to silence her.

[Donk]

Oh, and for the best damn argument anyone could put forth, put 20 minutes aside and watch this. If you're not convinced by the end, you're willfully blind.

 

 

You have to admit, she's pretty hot though.

 

 

Anyhow, this is rather distracting.

 

I'm not sure how Anita Sarkeesian has any relevance to who's writing DA now.

 

Unless of course, said writer makes her into a companion romance option! MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE

[andy6915]

You are right, all of that is purely speculation. And, the guy goes on to make weird statements about how 'vampirism is a female fantasy' as an actual argument. Credibility, zero. Just sounds like another nasty little gamer boy trying to tear down a woman that dared to criticize his favorite video game.

As to the second link, your very quote states that USU determined someone was trying to shut down the event. Now, why aren't you crying out in outrage that someone tried to shut down a university speaking event by sending threats? Oh, that's right, you don't like her message so you don't have a problem with the methods used to silence her.

Right, vampires aren't a female fantasy. That's why Twilight was so successful, women aren't turned on by vampires at all. Oh wait...

Yeah, a troll on the internet is trolling. And the suns rises every day.

Watch the video, and maybe you'll stop being so ignorant about the fraud you're a fan of.

[uzivatel]

You have to admit, she's pretty hot though.

We have to?

[maia0407]

Right, vampires aren't a female fantasy. That's why Twilight was so successful, women aren't turned on by vampires at all. Oh wait...

Yeah, a troll on the internet is trolling. And the suns rises every day.

Watch the video, and maybe you'll stop being so ignorant about the fraud you're a fan of.

First, you've linked me to an article where the guy uses 'handwriting' and 'only women liking vampires' as actual arguments. Then, you link a video that supposed to change my mind; but, it looks like more of the same silliness with the immature Doritos on her face. And, you want me to spend 20 minutes watching that. Please, please, tell me it has some actual evidence and not wild conjecture made by more mad fan boys. In fact, could you provide a summary?

[Panda]

How in the world thread about DA changing writers. become fight over Anita Sarkeesian? Do I even want to check?

[Dai Grepher]

There's no deflection; I ouiright address your point (in fact, I spent a paragraph on it). I just found it incredibly ironic that, to illustrate your point about how the writers shouldn't permit choices inconsistent with a prejudiced setting by analogy you picked the Qun, strict adherence to which would absolutely outlaw any prejudicial comment aimed at a transgendered character. 

 

You failed to understand Krem's story entirely. Here are the things Krem says about everyone in Tevinter he dealt with:

 

1) His mother said that if he didn't marry well he'd doom their family to slavery. 

2) Krem's father, when Krem was young, "angled his mirror down" so Krem could pretend to shave. He "never said anything" but Krem thinks he knew. 

3) Tevinter only allows military service in "certain ranks and disciplines". Krem bribed a healer who cover for him, which worked entirely fine.

4) There was a replacement healer who had a different view. The healer "made threats". It was "slavery or death". Krem ran.

5) In response to "Passing is illegal?" Krem said: "It's a crime to lie on an Imperial application for service. Would've been a heavy fine or slavery."  Then Krem says "For ten silvers, the healer said he'd tell the tribune I was sick in the head. Some pity for the mad little girl." 

 

Krem's crime wasn't passing. Krem's crime was lying. The Mage wanted a bribe, but wasn't about to let the whole thing slide. I'm not the one failing to listen to the story. The second sentence is a fragment, but in the context, apart from the obvious insult thrown at Krem, the healer was angling for a bribe to save Krem "a heavy fine or slavery". "Some pity for the mad little girl" is obviously a direct quote - the excuse the healer would throw out to "help" Krem wiggle out of the fraud charge, all in return for the ten silver bribe. 

 

Don't take my word for it; watch it yourself, if you can stop congratulating yourself for how you (think) you "got" me: 

 

 

That from that you'd draw the conclusion there's some rampant prejudice in Tevinter is ridiculous. Like with Dorian, Krem's family's issue was how Krem failing to conform to the social norms would hurt their wellbeing (they were poor and would be poorer). With the military, the issue was fraud (and sexism, because units are gender segregated). 

 

No. No you didn't address my point at all. And posting a paragraph of irrelevant text doesn't mean you addressed the point. Again, I didn't bring up transgenderism when making the Qun analogy, which again makes your reply a deflection (which you admit). In fact, that was the whole point of making an analogy in the first place, because you couldn't understand the point I was making about having a opposing dialogue response on the issue of transgenderism. With the Qun analogy I referred to "whatever", which can be anything and everything. Like how they treat people who want to change their field of business, or those who believe in different ideas, or those who want to choose their mate, or those who don't want to live under the Qun. If I pick a Qunari who swears to the Qun, then I should be able to choose to adhere to the Qun. I should not have a tal-vashoth choice forced on me. The same goes for the philosophical subject of gender and a character from Tevinter.

 

Also, on a side note, The Sten outright states that a woman cannot be a man. So the jury is still out on what the Qun says. The Iron Bull was most likely lying about aqun-athlok.

I didn't fail to understand Krem's story. Krem's crime wasn't in trying to pass as male. Krem's crime was lying on the app. I never wrote otherwise. Which makes your list and vid post a strawman.

 

I pointed out what the replacement healer said to Krem. That proves that Tevinter sees transgenderism as deviant. Or are you of the opinion that calling Krem a "sick in the head little girl" isn't a transphobic statement?

 

*GASP*

 

That's it, isn't it? You didn't notice that obviously transphobic comment because it seemed perfectly normal to you, is that what happened? Is bigotry so ingrained into your subconscious mind that you were complacent with that line and therefore didn't notice it? Ugh! I'm so deeply offended right now.

[maia0407]

How in the world thread about DA changing writers. become fight over Anita Sarkeesian? Do I even want to check?

lol, Whelp, see, it went like this...

 

1. Sumthin, sumthin, about SJWs being the equivalent of heartless bastards

2. I said, nuh-uh!

3. Then, science guy's nekkid women shirt.

4. Boom! Anita

5. Profit?

[uzivatel]

First, you've linked me to an article where the guy uses 'handwriting' and 'only women liking vampires' as actual arguments.

I believe youll have much, much harder time finding male fantasizing about being vampire drinking blood of Anita Sarkeesian.
But thats not saying there is no such guy ... and he did not create a Twitter account to let the whole world know ... and she did not somehow find out seconds later.

[maia0407]

I believe youll have much, much harder time finding male fantasizing about being vampire drinking blood of Anita Sarkeesian.
But thats not saying there is no such guy ... and he did not create a Twitter account to let the whole world know ... and she did not somehow find out seconds later.

lol, maybe. But, that's really not the point. The point is that argument isn't an argument. It's just... weird. And, I can't take it as serious criticism of her. The rest of the article was just more speculation, as in, the writing is too perfect. Nothing was really there. I just pointed out the most absurd claim made. And, this is apparently the best Andy has to prove Anita is a liar liar pants on fire.

[andy6915]

First, you've linked me to an article where the guy uses 'handwriting' and 'only women liking vampires' as actual arguments. Then, you link a video that supposed to change my mind; but, it looks like more of the same silliness with the immature Doritos on her face. And, you want me to spend 20 minutes watching that. Please, please, tell me it has some actual evidence and not wild conjecture made by more mad fan boys. In fact, could you provide a summary?

Hah! Typical.

"The vid might make me question things I don't want to question and might make me feel like an idiot, so I'll just use some petty excuse like the vid image to not watch it."

Pathetic. I knew you'd do that, people like you will find ANY reason to cling to their beliefs. I always try to give people like you a chance, and I get disappointed every. Single. Time. Far raider easier to not watch a video that might make you doubt than to actually confront facts. It's obvious that your excuse is only an excuse, you would have refused to watch it no matter the thumbnail.

[maia0407]

Darn, you got me, Andy. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you've already linked me to... nothing. Exactly how much time should I spend reviewing your 'evidence'. Just wondering.

[Donk]

We have to?

 

YES. I demand it. If you disagree with me, I will belittle you because I am right.

[andy6915]

Darn, you got me, Andy. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you've already linked me to... nothing. Exactly how much time should I spend watching reviewing your 'evidence'. Just wondering.

Yep, you're definitely not using crappy excuses to not watch a vid that you don't want to watch because you disagree with it. Nope, it's just the image that makes you utterly refuse. So you're either EXTREMELY petty or you're too afraid to watch it. Which is less insulting to you? No third possibility.

[SardaukarElite]

Right, vampires aren't a female fantasy. That's why Twilight was so successful, women aren't turned on by vampires at all. Oh wait...

 

I'll just assume you aren't familiar with BloodRayne, Underworld or We Are the Night. Vampires are sexual generally.

 

 

Pathetic. I knew you'd do that, people like you will find ANY reason to cling to their beliefs. I always try to give people like you a chance, and I get disappointed every. Single. Time.

 

Irony.

 

 

How in the world thread about DA changing writers. become fight over Anita Sarkeesian? Do I even want to check?

 

Has anyone updated Godwin's law yet?

[maia0407]

Yep, you're definitely not using crappy excuses to not watch a vid that you don't want to watch because you disagree with it. Nope, it's just the image that makes you utterly refuse. So you're either EXTREMELY petty or you're too afraid to watch it. Which is less insulting to you? No third possibility.

No, Andy. Make your arguments if you have any. You don't get to demand that I spend time reviewing yet something else you've linked me to when your first shot proved to be speculation and weird suppositions. You kind of ruined your credibility on that first link and then, you link to what appears to be more of the same. If you have an actual argument, make it. Right now, I'm engaging your arguments, not some video.

[uzivatel]

How in the world thread about DA changing writers. become fight over Anita Sarkeesian? Do I even want to check?

You could read the thread, there are some on topic posts as well.

tl;dr version:
1. old lead writer is leaving
2. new writer is SJW, I dont like this
3. if you dont like SJW, you are bad person
4. SJW are bad, like when they bullied guy over tshirt
5. SJW bullied guy over tshirt, but didnt send him rape fantasies
6. them rape fantasies are fake
7. someone asks how we got here
 

I'll just assume you aren't familiar with BloodRayne, Underworld or We Are the Night. Vampires are sexual generally.

You sure those are good examples? it seems you are somewhat undermining your argument there...