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[Saigeo]

First when the double ExP glitch happened and was reported to you Luke Barrett replied to us not to use this glitch and the matter was being looked into.

Now Fiddzz replies on another post that we should go ahead and enjoy it while it's here. Almost a week later.

You guys do understand that this is fracturing the community...? This destroys trust. This will be the next wave of players you will alienate. Just saying. Do you think the leaderboard should convey something about the game we're playing?

A reply from Bioware would be appreciated. It should have been a topic thread from the beginning. The missil glitch was a hot button topic for a while before being resolved. I would have thought Bioware would have some experience to draw upon on how to best deal with such matters.

[BronzTrooper]

If you don't like the exploit, listen to Luke and avoid it as best you can.  He said the matter is being looked into, so that means BW is working on a way to fix it.

 

Really, there's nothing else you can do about it beyond avoiding glitched lobbies and wait for it to be patched.

[Felis Menari]

There's a big difference between the missile and XP glitches though; the missile glitch immediately trivialized the gameplay on all difficulties of ME3MP, whereas the XP exploit is only a major issue for those who value the DAMP leaderboards.

[Cirvante]

Ah yes, leaderboards.

 

[PaintedDoll523]

Ah yes, leaderboards.

This... exactly this.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

First when the double ExP glitch happened and was reported to you Luke Barrett replied to us not to use this glitch and the matter was being looked into.

Now Fiddzz replies on another post that we should go ahead and enjoy it while it's here. Almost a week later.

You guys do understand that this is fracturing the community...? This destroys trust. This will be the next wave of players you will alienate. Just saying. Do you think the leaderboard should convey something about the game we're playing?

A reply from Bioware would be appreciated. It should have been a topic thread from the beginning. The missil glitch was a hot button topic for a while before being resolved. I would have thought Bioware would have some experience to draw upon on how to best deal with such matters.

 

This is very confusing, because you have had the replies that you are asking for, and none of them would fracture the community. There is nothing contradictory in the information that you were given, if taken in context.

 

It seems like you are trying very hard to create a controversy out of a minor (and player-friendly) bug that isn't hurting anyone.

[Johnsen1972]

Most people dont care about leaderboards. At least I dont. E-dong is for losers.

[SpaceV3gan]

 

It seems like you are trying very hard to create a controversy out of a minor (and player-friendly) bug that isn't hurting anyone.

It is a major issue. It cuts down the time it takes to promote by a matter of hours, it doubles Gold and it gives double challenge completion. It is simple to reproduce, so much so that Public games can get infested with this glitch without realizing it.
I would say it is the greatest issue in DAMP ever, and likely more serious than ME3 missile glitch.
 

Most people dont care about leaderboards. At least I dont. E-dong is for losers.

There are some who care. I care and most of the people I play with also care. It is not about having large e-dongs (something which I lack despite my position in the Leaderboards), it is about offering something which is equally fair and fun for all players.
Bioware either comes up with an immediate solution (not words, solutions!) or simply give up the integrity of the playerbase and allows and encourages the exploit of this glitch until it gets fixed - which is what they are already doing indirectly anyway.

[BiggyDX]

It sounds like you want them to work 24/7 to fix this issue. They said they're working on it, so give it some time. The ME3 missile glitch took time to fix. This isn't even the same game, so saying that they should understand how to solve a rare glitch in a game with completely different mechanics and coding isn't as easy as it sounds.

 

With regards to Fiddzz comment, when someone says "Enjoy it while it lasts," it means that someone of authority sees you're gaining an unfair or undeserved benefit, and while they can't do anything about it in the immediate, they do intend to change it in the near future. You're taking a comment made in jest way to serious. Also, they haven't said anything about whether or not they'll punish people for using the glitch yet, so I don't know why there are assumptions being made that they won't/will.

 

Lastly, they're not responding to you at this moment because it's Sunday and even developers have lives outside of the game they make.

 

(And no, this isn't me being abrasive to you. This is me simply saying that if you truly like what Bioware has been doing recently with the MP, you should trust that they're working on it and that the glitch itself wasn't intended. As far as leaderboards go, a majority don't care about it; especially since you can't even see where you're placed if you aren't top 100 [at least on Xbox One from what I've seen].)

 

 

It is simple to reproduce, so much so that Public games can get infested with this glitch without realizing it.

 

If it is then I would probably tell Billy about how it's reproducible then.

[Cirvante]

I would say it is the greatest issue in DAMP ever, and likely more serious than ME3 missile glitch.

 

 

Yes, a bug that lets people earn experience faster is definitely worse than a glitch that makes the game almost unplayable and causes a large portion of the playerbase to leave (key glitch), or a glitch that actively destroys the fun of people playing with the one using it (missile glitch). Do you even read the nonsense you write before posting it?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It is a major issue.

 

I understand that it bothers you. But that doesn't make it a major issue. I said that it wasn't harming anyone because it isn't. You are not harmed by extra experience or gold. Not you or anyone else. It isn't intended, but it is not without precedent since there was at least one weekend where it was intended.

 

I would say it is the greatest issue in DAMP ever, and likely more serious than ME3 missile glitch.

 

I didn't say that no one cared about the issue, but that doesn't mean that people should claim it is "worse than the missile glitch." That's absurd. I would say the key drop glitch was a major issue. This is not a significant issue unless you choose to be perturbed by others benefiting from an unintended glitch.

[Wavebend]

First when the double ExP glitch happened and was reported to you Luke Barrett replied to us not to use this glitch and the matter was being looked into.

Now Fiddzz replies on another post that we should go ahead and enjoy it while it's here. Almost a week later.

You guys do understand that this is fracturing the community...? This destroys trust. This will be the next wave of players you will alienate. Just saying. Do you think the leaderboard should convey something about the game we're playing?

A reply from Bioware would be appreciated. It should have been a topic thread from the beginning. The missil glitch was a hot button topic for a while before being resolved. I would have thought Bioware would have some experience to draw upon on how to best deal with such matters.

 

If you want to use it, use it. If you feel it could break your reputation, then don't. Fixing this will take longer than you're willing to wait. Sorry.

[SpaceV3gan]

 

 

Yes, a bug that lets people earn experience faster is definitely worse than a glitch that makes the game almost unplayable and causes a large portion of the playerbase to leave (key glitch), or a glitch that actively destroys the fun of people playing with the one using it (missile glitch). Do you even read the nonsense you write before posting it?

 

Who are the players who left during the key glitch? Many people have left the game since release for several reasons - some for no reasons at all. Frustrating as it was, many people have stayed.

To fix the missile glitch, all it took was to kick the N7 Destroyer. There was very little to be exploited there, it was closer to a troll than an exploit.

Yes I do read the nonsense I write before I post here. Still, I appreciate your concern to whether I read or not.

[yarpenthemad21]

It is a major issue. It cuts down the time it takes to promote by a matter of hours, it doubles Gold and it gives double challenge completion. It is simple to reproduce, so much so that Public games can get infested with this glitch without realizing it.
I would say it is the greatest issue in DAMP ever, and likely more serious than ME3 missile glitch.
 

There are some who care. I care and most of the people I play with also care. It is not about having large e-dongs (something which I lack despite my position in the Leaderboards), it is about offering something which is equally fair and fun for all players.
Bioware either comes up with an immediate solution (not words, solutions!) or simply give up the integrity of the playerbase and allows and encourages the exploit of this glitch until it gets fixed - which is what they are already doing indirectly anyway.

If fix can't be done asap, like in 2 days or something similar but requires some magic stuff going on (it can be netcode issue, engine issue, whatever) what you propose?
What is your solution if you care so much about leaderboard and you get angry because someone "win" with you by cheating?
What should bioware do? Block xp gain? Shut down DAIMP? How you want to block exploit when you know that you can't just fix it asap?

If you want to know my opinion, you can plain start now and cheat with that glitch for ages to get another billion points on leaderboards.

Also it is funny that you know that much about this glitch. I don't know how to reproduce it, I've encountered it TWICE (on pug lobbies) in my entire gaming with DAIMP and I don't have any idea how this exploit even works. I've just at first time joined lobby in the middle of wave 3 or something with level 1 on peri and ended with level 17, next was something like 14-20. I left those lobbies asap. You on the other hand call this exploit which from personal experience I can call at most "rare" something everybody do all the time and even babies and their grandfathers know how to do it.
Interesting...

[ALTBOULI]

OP please answer this about the Exp glitch...

How does it effect your ability to play and enjoy the game?

@SpaceV3gan - are you serious? Do you honestly believe this exploit is greatest issue that DAMP has had? Bearing in mind the various game breaking bugs and issues that DAMP has had (some of which still remain like the terrible region-lock matchmaking)

[SpaceV3gan]

I understand that it bothers you. But that doesn't make it a major issue. I said that it wasn't harming anyone because it isn't. You are not harmed by extra experience or gold. Not you or anyone else. It isn't intended, but it is not without precedent since there was at least one weekend where it was intended.

 

 

The XP reward that can be achieve today with the glitch is superior to what was given during the previous Weekend Challenge.

 

 

I didn't say that no one cared about the issue, but that doesn't mean that people should claim it is "worse than the missile glitch." That's absurd. I would say the key drop glitch was a major issue. This is not a significant issue unless you choose to be perturbed by others benefiting from an unintended glitch.

It can be unintended just like it can be intended. It is entirely down to the player's ethics at this point.  This glitch is to this game what steroids are to sports, but with zero consequences for the users.

Why is it absurd when compared to the missile glitch? It gives more benefits without the trolling side-effect.

The key bug was distressing to some, maybe to many players. But it was not something exploitable. The double (actually quadruple) XP glitch is largely considered cheating. I don't think it is comparable.

[Wavebend]

If fix can't be done asap, like in 2 days or something similar but requires some magic stuff going on (it can be netcode issue, engine issue, whatever) what you propose?
What is your solution if you care so much about leaderboard and you get angry because someone "win" with you by cheating?
What should bioware do? Block xp gain? Shut down DAIMP? How you want to block exploit when you know that you can't just fix it asap?

If you want to know my opinion, you can plain start now and cheat with that glitch for ages to get another billion points on leaderboards.

Also it is funny that you know that much about this glitch. I don't know how to reproduce it, I've encountered it TWICE (on pug lobbies) in my entire gaming with DAIMP and I don't have any idea how this exploit even works. I've just at first time joined lobby in the middle of wave 3 or something with level 1 on peri and ended with level 17, next was something like 14-20. I left those lobbies asap. You on the other hand call this exploit which from personal experience I can call at most "rare" something everybody do all the time and even babies and their grandfathers know how to do it.
Interesting...

 

They should keep track of whoever generates the most promotions. This will set their max.

 

When they finally fix the issue, they should grant every player in DAMP a specific amount of prestige based on how much they've promoted while the exploit was active. Players who gained 0 prestige during that time should get max amount, and the player who generated the most should get none. This should balance the leaderboards

[Thadrial]

They should keep track of whoever generates the most promotions. This will set their max.

 

When they finally fix the issue, they should grant every player in DAMP a specific amount of prestige based on how much they've promoted while the exploit was active. Players who gained 0 prestige during that time should get max amount, and the player who generated the most should get none. This should balance the leaderboards

That's actually a really interesting idea. Idk how they would split it between the 3 stats though. It's the only reasonable solution i've seen so far.

[Wavebend]

That's actually a really interesting idea. Idk how they would split it between the 3 stats though. It's the only reasonable solution i've seen so far.

The practical effect would be the same as locking the leaderboards from when the exploit was found. However it can only be implemented if they kept track of progression for all players in DAMP since the exploit was discovered

[SpaceV3gan]

 

If it is then I would probably tell Billy about how it's reproducible then.

 

A friend of mine has already told the developers.

 

Also it is funny that you know that much about this glitch. I don't know how to reproduce it, I've encountered it TWICE (on pug lobbies) in my entire gaming with DAIMP and I don't have any idea how this exploit even works. I've just at first time joined lobby in the middle of wave 3 or something with level 1 on peri and ended with level 17, next was something like 14-20. I left those lobbies asap. You on the other hand call this exploit which from personal experience I can call at most "rare" something everybody do all the time and even babies and their grandfathers know how to do it.
Interesting...

 

So you have come across it, just like everyone else who pugs. How is it rare? All it takes to see more of it is to play more.
As there is no fix coming out anytime soon, you are likely to come across this glitch more often. Once you see it in your private lobbies by accident - and chances are you will eventually see - it won't take long for you to find out how it can be reproduced. I was asked to play intentionally XP glitched games last Sunday, a week ago. People have been capable of reproducing it for at least a week.

 

@SpaceV3gan - are you serious? Do you honestly believe this exploit is greatest issue that DAMP has had? Bearing in mind the various game breaking bugs and issues that DAMP has had (some of which still remain like the terrible region-lock matchmaking)

Region-lock Matchmaking is something which has repeatedly been ignored by whoever could be responsible to address it. While I have consistently asked for it to be addressed, I am despondent to say that I have given up on the issue for now, as no sign of hope has appeared.

The XP exploit can be called cheating. It is something else entirely.

[Thadrial]

The practical effect would be the same as locking the leaderboards from when the exploit was found. However it can only be implemented if they kept track of progression for all players in DAMP since the exploit was discovered

A reasonable point to track from would be day one of the double xp weekend as that was when I was first aware of it. I'm not sure how it came to be though.

[Cirvante]

The XP reward that can be achieve today with the glitch is superior to what was given during the previous Weekend Challenge.

 

It can be unintended just like it can be intended. It is entirely down to the player's ethics at this point.  This glitch is to this game what steroids are to sports, but with zero consequences for the users.

Why is it absurd when compared to the missile glitch? It gives more benefits without the trolling side-effect.

The key bug was distressing to some, maybe to many players. But it was not something exploitable. The double (actually quadruple) XP glitch is largely considered cheating. I don't think it is comparable.

 

I had a lobby glitch recently for no apparent reason. It was double exp.

 

And it is considered a bug by Bioware. You should really read their posts sometimes, it might keep you from embarassing yourself. Claiming that this bug is a bigger issue than game-breaking glitches is ridiculous. I actually welcome it insofar as it shows just how meaningless the leaderboards are (and how pathetic obsessing over them is).

[Cirvante]

To fix the missile glitch, all it took was to kick the N7 Destroyer. There was very little to be exploited there, it was closer to a troll than an exploit.

Yes I do read the nonsense I write before I post here. Still, I appreciate your concern to whether I read or not.

 

ME3 would routinely drop you into ongoing games and there was no ingame kick funtion. Supposedly there were a lot of public games with people missile glitching on consoles. Once you leave the game, you also lose your equipment. Your view on missile glitching and the key bug seems to be quite naive, yet you're blowing the exp bug way out of proportions due to your unhealthy obsession with your leaderboard rank.

[yarpenthemad21]

So you have come across it, just like everyone else who pugs. How is it rare? All it takes to see more of it is to play more.
As there is no fix coming out anytime soon, you are likely to come across this glitch more often. Once you see it in your private lobbies by accident - and chances are you will eventually see - it won't take long for you to find out how it can be reproduced. I was asked to play intentionally XP glitched games last Sunday, a week ago. People have been capable of reproducing it for at least a week.

It's your problem and problem of what types of players are your friends.

Either way it is a very easy fix for this. I can host on my own, which I do quite often really and forget about some stupid exploit.
PPL which in general in that type of situation, in stupid video game, change playing to farming and would use every exploit/glitch/ to get highest possible reward for lowest possible effort are not a type of ppl with which I want to play a co-op game.
It's a type of player who in single player use "give me all" code and after that whines that content is freaking too easy.

[StUnNeR H2K]

The benefit does weigh on more than just the leaderboards.

One the gold is ruining the normal pace Bioware expects people to acquire it. Part of the reason we have free multiplayer DLC is because some people will spend real money to buy chest. Those same people will probably now use the exploit instead of throwing down some money. The gold does have a $$ value to it, and exploiting it could be seen as stealing. Yes gold is free, but only if we put in the time.

Second concern beside leaderboard e-peen is promotion stats. Some of these newbies or people who play less frequently are now going to be running with higher stats vs. the amount of time they have put in. It will create some terrible experiences for other players who group with them expecting a veteran.

I honestly have no clue how the glitch/exploit is done, and have had numerous players in lobbies this weekend offer to show or tell. This reminds me a lot about Diablo III on console and all the losers that mod/hack gear to have beast characters that one shot everything and never actually enjoy the experience/challenge the game is supposed to bring. It also ruins the achievement of others who finished challenges legit or accomplished a high inquisition rank. I could care less about leaderboards (on Xbox One with a 580 Inquisition Rank), but I don't know who on the leaderboards now is legit or just someone that exploited to the top.