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[Wulfram]

A big theme of Andromeda appears to be exploration. That theme needs a sense of remoteness, and it's hard to feel remote when you can just phone home. More, the game will likely want to call upon us to make major decisions, which will likely make more sense if we can't simply hold a conversation with our superiors.

From a lore point of view, the conventional FTL communication net wouldn't be present in newly discovered territory. Quantum Entanglement communication would still work, but it's supposed to be rare... so I think we could say that our ship didn't have it?

[SardaukarElite]

I would be in favor of it, it's a decent excuse for increased player agency if you can't phone your superiors all the time. Though BioWare doesn't seem to be keen on embracing setting limitations.

[Kabooooom]

IF Bioware recognizes their own lore, which they have been historically not fond of doing, then the OP is right. Comm relays, which work similarly to mass effect relays, would not be present in the new galaxy. Without them, communication can only travel at the speed of light.

So you're on the other side of the 1,000 Ly diameter Helius Cluster and want to phone home? Too bad, it will take 1,000 years to send a message.

It would also very much fit with the wild west theme, in the sense that communication would have to be carried by messengers - not on horseback, but via spacecraft. Same concept, larger scales.

So I am 100% for this. But we all know Bioware is too wishy washy with their lore to do it.

[Dantriges]

They can still use QECs as communicators.

 

Other question, will the protagonist have superiors this time?

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think there could be a QEC on the ship, in case there is a need to call the MW. Other than that such a device would be useless without having other QECs in Andromeda. No doubt we will see an Andromeda based QEC-variant sooner or later.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I think there could be a QEC on the ship, in case there is a need to call the MW. Other than that such a device would be useless without having other QECs in Andromeda. No doubt we will see an Andromeda based QEC-variant sooner or later.

 

Nope, no calls possible back to the MW! We're cut off and on our own. Anything else would just be a huge mess.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Nope, no calls possible back to the MW! We're cut off and on our own. Anything else would just be a huge mess.

AFAIK a QEC has no distance limit. Its need depends on the story. Initially Andromeda will be used to escape the ME3 ending, but I wouldn't be surprised if we go back.

 

Assume that we don't have one, then we'll get another one based on Andromeda tech, to be used "locally". I like the idea of having nothing like that, but I doubt some advanced species over there won't have such tech. It will be easier for the game to have such devices.

[Ashevajak]

FTT communications (faster than time).  They arrive before the person even sends them to you.

 

The plot of ME:A will be saving the galaxy from a classic paradox when too many people start utilising this technology.

[AngryFrozenWater]

FTT communications (faster than time).  They arrive before the person even sends them to you.

 

The plot of ME:A will be saving the galaxy from a classic paradox when too many people start utilising this technology.

A QEC does not transmit faster than light or faster than time (whatever the latter means). It is used for instant communication using quantum entanglement. That excludes classical time travel paradoxes. Causality is not violated.

[Kabooooom]

AFAIK a QEC has no distance limit. Its need depends on the story. Initially Andromeda will be used to escape the ME3 ending, but I wouldn't be surprised if we go back.

Assume that we don't have one, then we'll get another one based on Andromeda tech, to be used "locally". I like the idea of having nothing like that, but I doubt some advanced species over there won't have such tech. It will be easier for the game to have such devices.

Since they are moving to Andromeda to avoid the cluster that was the ME3 endings, I suspect there will be no QEC to the MW, which I think is what he was saying. He wasn't saying a QEC to the MW is impossible, as obviously they aren't bound by distance. He was saying Bioware wont do it because it defeats their purpose of moving the setting to Andromeda in the first place.

However, I am not opposed to the idea. I agree with Bioware, the ME3 endings were such a disaster that moving the setting was necessary. But a QEC may be a good way to explore a post-Reaper MW without actually having to go there and without the events impacting the story or setting of Andromeda at all, presuming that the Ark left prior to the Crucible firing...which it definitely will.

[Quarian Master Race]

Without FTL comms it would be impossible to coordinate anything unless literally every allied ship in Andromeda travels everywhere together ala the Migrant Fleet. It would pretty much break the setting unless the whole plot is just faffing about, doing nothing of importance except exploring Andromeda for the sake of it like goddamn Starfleet.

[kathic]

Who do you think you are? James T Kirk? 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They can still use QECs as communicators.

 

Other question, will the protagonist have superiors this time?

 

QEC according to lore and according to PHYSICS would still use speed of light. They relied on Comm Buoys and Mass Relays.to make it real time communication.

 

But then lore in the MEU is a zany free for all.

[Kabooooom]

QEC according to lore and according to PHYSICS would still use speed of light. They relied on Comm Buoys and Mass Relays.to make it real time communication.

But then lore in the MEU is a zany free for all.

QECs according to lore would use the EPR paradox for effective FTL instantaneous communication, actually. They dont use the comm buoys.

QECs according to real life physics...dont work. It is actually impossible to construct a QEC in real life, as no information can be transmitted with the effect and it requires light speed or subluminal communication to make sense of it, thus rendering an attempt at quantum communication meaningless.

Pretty much the only thing in real life physics that would allow "FTL" communication would be via sending electromagnetic signals through a wormhole.

[Sartoz]

IF Bioware recognizes their own lore, which they have been historically not fond of doing, then the OP is right. Comm relays, which work similarly to mass effect relays, would not be present in the new galaxy. Without them, communication can only travel at the speed of light.

So you're on the other side of the 1,000 Ly diameter Helius Cluster and want to phone home? Too bad, it will take 1,000 years to send a message.

It would also very much fit with the wild west theme, in the sense that communication would have to be carried by messengers - not on horseback, but via spacecraft. Same concept, larger scales.

So I am 100% for this. But we all know Bioware is too wishy washy with their lore to do it.

 

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  Let's see if I can make the argument.

 

One

The ARKCON group left the Milky Way with then current tech.

 

Two

According to Conal Pierse, events in Andromeda takes place long after the events in the Milky Way galaxy.

 

Three

Long after can mean tech has advanced. Or, if the Arks contained statsis pods (possibly from Prothean tech) then the pioneers' arrival would use their current tech.

 

Now, from the teaser cinematics, star travel appears to be quite fast without the use of Relays. Which, supports my theory that tech has advanced. Communications tech, then, would also be advanced and calling home a no brainer. But, being a Pathfinder, scouting mission outside their comm network is the norm. Therefore, calling home in these circumstances is impossible.

 

The latter reinforces your view that regarding limited comm abilites and on a scouting mission, you are on your own.

[DaemionMoadrin]

AFAIK a QEC has no distance limit. Its need depends on the story. Initially Andromeda will be used to escape the ME3 ending, but I wouldn't be surprised if we go back.

 

Technology or not is not the point. I don't care if the com room has to explode after they arrive in Andromeda, the game is not permitted to have any connection to the trilogy.

 

If we had a way to talk to people in the Milky Way, we'd have to canonize an ending. That can not be allowed, thus we have no way to contact them.

 

Also, we can never go back. One way trip, bridges burned behind us, door closed, blown up and vanished. Critical engine failure in the wormhole drive? Perfect.

[Dantriges]

QEC according to lore and according to PHYSICS would still use speed of light. They relied on Comm Buoys and Mass Relays.to make it real time communication.

 

But then lore in the MEU is a zany free for all.

 

As Kaboom said, they didn´t use the buoys, it was the last way of communicating with Earth after the invasion for example.

 

Well I think we all agree that they wouldn´t work in RL. At least BW wasn´t the only one who jumped on this wagon.

[DarkTl]

Statsis pods are the best bet in my opinion, because it's the only way to arrive to another galaxy with ME3 level of tech.

 

As for the teaser, I think it might be a cinematic time pass to keep things interesting, and not an instant star travel.

 

 

Also, we can never go back. One way trip, bridges burned behind us, door closed, blown up and vanished. Critical engine failure in the wormhole drive? Perfect.

Well, they always can say that the crusible required so much energy that all stars in the galaxy quickly extinguished, and everyone died not matter who they were. Or something less dramatic and deadly, but still making ME3 ending unimportant for ME:A.

[Zehealingman]

I may be on the edge about that FTL communication stuff, but what I don't want to see is any sort of communication with the Milky Way.

[In Exile]

Since they are moving to Andromeda to avoid the cluster that was the ME3 endings, I suspect there will be no QEC to the MW, which I think is what he was saying. He wasn't saying a QEC to the MW is impossible, as obviously they aren't bound by distance. He was saying Bioware wont do it because it defeats their purpose of moving the setting to Andromeda in the first place.

However, I am not opposed to the idea. I agree with Bioware, the ME3 endings were such a disaster that moving the setting was necessary. But a QEC may be a good way to explore a post-Reaper MW without actually having to go there and without the events impacting the story or setting of Andromeda at all, presuming that the Ark left prior to the Crucible firing...which it definitely will.

 

We're going to Andromeda to escape being RBG'd and to not have to show the consequences of the ME3 ending. Actually just having a long-distance conversationw the MW might be very different, largely because Bioware wouldn't have to invest a lot of resources into it. 

[Kabooooom]

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Let's see if I can make the argument.

One
The ARKCON group left the Milky Way with then current tech.

Two
According to Conal Pierse, events in Andromeda takes place long after the events in the Milky Way galaxy.

Three
Long after can mean tech has advanced. Or, if the Arks contained statsis pods (possibly from Prothean tech) then the pioneers' arrival would use their current tech.

Now, from the teaser cinematics, star travel appears to be quite fast without the use of Relays. Which, supports my theory that tech has advanced. Communications tech, then, would also be advanced and calling home a no brainer. But, being a Pathfinder, scouting mission outside their comm network is the norm. Therefore, calling home in these circumstances is impossible.

The latter reinforces your view that regarding limited comm abilites and on a scouting mission, you are on your own.

I think the teaser trailer demonstration of FTL travel was for dramatic effect. In Mass Effect, the average FTL speed is 12 light years per day. Lets say for the sake of argument that they still have the same speed and tech hasn't advanced - they wouldn't have the trailer be a guy selecting a destination, then going to take a nap, then waking back up and walking to the bridge, then unsheathing his Carnifex and walking off like a badass or whatever.

So I think that part is best to take with a grain of salt.

[Wulfram]

Without FTL comms it would be impossible to coordinate anything unless literally every allied ship in Andromeda travels everywhere together ala the Migrant Fleet. It would pretty much break the setting unless the whole plot is just faffing about, doing nothing of importance except exploring Andromeda for the sake of it like goddamn Starfleet.

People got by in the past without instant communications. Coordination becomes more complex of course, but also more interesting because of it.

[AlanC9]

A QEC does not transmit faster than light or faster than time (whatever the latter means). It is used for instant communication using quantum entanglement. That excludes classical time travel paradoxes. Causality is not violated.

How can a QEC communicate instantly without communicating faster than light?

[Kabooooom]

How can a QEC communicate instantly without communicating faster than light?

I imagine that they meant that it can't be used to actually communicate at all in the first place, like I said. The EPR effect is instantaneous, but is nonsensical for transmitting a message. So you have to do it the old fashioned way.

[AlanC9]

Sure, ITRW. But of course, the MEU has different physics.