I may be on the edge about that FTL communication stuff, but what I don't want to see is any sort of communication with the Milky Way.
The (ME) QEC needs two specifically connected transmitters, so you can´t simply call a different station. Perhaps the receiving station in the MW is gone, destroyed by the Reapers after departure but before the end.
I think the teaser trailer demonstration of FTL travel was for dramatic effect. In Mass Effect, the average FTL speed is 12 light years per day. Lets say for the sake of argument that they still have the same speed and tech hasn't advanced - they wouldn't have the trailer be a guy selecting a destination, then going to take a nap, then waking back up and walking to the bridge, then unsheathing his Carnifex and walking off like a badass or whatever.
So I think that part is best to take with a grain of salt.
No nap required for an Alcubierre drive or some variation of that (White–Juday warp-field interferometer). I'm not defending the theory behind it, but ME is supposed to be SF. What we may have seen in that clip was a small distance jump.
This is heresy... we will use the light of the Astronomican to guide us.
How can a QEC communicate instantly without communicating faster than light?
Unlike radio there is no wave involved that travels between the end points. Instead the quantum state of two particles (one at each end) are "synchronized". When the spin of one changes, the quantum state of the other changes at the same time, no matter the distance. Currently a ME-like QEC is not feasible, but there is on going research.
Well, they always can say that the crusible required so much energy that all stars in the galaxy quickly extinguished, and everyone died not matter who they were. Or something less dramatic and deadly, but still making ME3 ending unimportant for ME:A.
Oh, so now we killed an entire galaxy? How about no?
You're forgetting the Refusal ending, which didn't use the Crucible.
No contact is the best solution.
I imagine that they meant that it can't be used to actually communicate at all in the first place, like I said. The EPR effect is instantaneous, but is nonsensical for transmitting a message. So you have to do it the old fashioned way.
There are certainly some very intimidating obstacles that may well be fundamentally impossible to overcome, but claiming it's 'nonsensical' is just silly drivel.
I kind of doubt this, as this isn't a survival game like Lara Croft in Tomb Raider, and the technology is there as this is centuries after ME3 and the Alliance, the Council as well as Cerberus all had FTL and in the case of Cerberus portable FTL Communications. I think the best you could hope for is certain periods where you had to maintain communication silence, or are on a mission to far out to tele-home, or even the idea that you haven't set up a base in this new area yet to contact anyone else.
There are certainly some very intimidating obstacles that may well be fundamentally impossible to overcome, but claiming it's 'nonsensical' is just silly drivel.
No nap required for an Alcubierre drive or some variation of that (White–Juday warp-field interferometer). I'm not defending the theory behind it, but ME is supposed to be SF. What we may have seen in that clip was a small distance jump.
Dude, it would violate a very fundamental principle of quantum mechanics. There isn't a physicist on the planet that thinks it is possible. It can be quite clearly mathematically shown that it cannot be done.
Just because you dont understand the math =/= anything can happen.
Being open minded is good, but there's a thing called being so open minded that your brain falls out.
Well, dude, it's cool that you read a Wikipedia article on it, dude, but I'm afraid that unfortunately for you, gushing about how great science and math is as is so common these days on the internet is not the same as actually understanding it, dude. I'm not the type to be impressed because you can parrot fancy little phrases like "Alcubierre drive" dude.
The (ME) QEC needs two specifically connected transmitters, so you can´t simply call a different station. Perhaps the receiving station in the MW is gone, destroyed by the Reapers after departure but before the end.
I bet one endpoint will be on Citadel, so colonists can see mass slaughter there before everything goes dark.
Nope, no calls possible back to the MW! We're cut off and on our own. Anything else would just be a huge mess.
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I agree that comm with the Milky Way is impossible and should not be. Also, I see no reason to do so. The new game is all about the struggles of the pioneers in Andromeda . Period.
I was talking about the MEU QECs. How did we get sidetracked into talking about RW techs?Unlike radio there is no wave involved that travels between the end points. Instead the quantum state of two particles (one at each end) are "synchronized". When the spin of one changes, the quantum state of the other changes at the same time, no matter the distance. Currently a ME-like QEC is not feasible, but there is on going research.
At the risk of short-circuiting a potentially hilarious argument, what are you two actually arguing about? Neither one of you thinks that instantaneous communication looks possible based on our current knowledge, right?Well, dude, it's cool that you read a Wikipedia article on it, dude, but I'm afraid that unfortunately for you, gushing about how great science and math is as is so common these days on the internet is not the same as actually understanding it, dude. I'm not the type to be impressed because you can parrot fancy little phrases like "Alcubierre drive" dude.
That's a bit of a clumsily worded question. Obviously it's not possible 'based on our current knowledge' or else it'd be here by now.
Nature is generally pretty good at closing up loopholes and workarounds, so no, if I had to choose, I would say it's more likely to not be possible than to be possible. But I should think there's a vast and obvious difference between 'this is probably not possible' and 'nobody but an idiot would ever entertain the idea that this might be worth looking at.'
That's for this one technique, obviously. I can't really comment on others that have no doubt been proposed. And frankly, since a deep understanding of this sort of thing is extremely esoteric knowledge, I don't really think you can either.
At the risk of short-circuiting a potentially hilarious argument, what are you two actually arguing about? Neither one of you thinks that instantaneous communication looks possible based on our current knowledge, right?
I think we can all agree that not having the ability to troll space truckers on the space CB communicator is a Bad Thing, yes?
QECs according to lore would use the EPR paradox for effective FTL instantaneous communication, actually. They dont use the comm buoys.
QECs according to real life physics...dont work. It is actually impossible to construct a QEC in real life, as no information can be transmitted with the effect and it requires light speed or subluminal communication to make sense of it, thus rendering an attempt at quantum communication meaningless.
Pretty much the only thing in real life physics that would allow "FTL" communication would be via sending electromagnetic signals through a wormhole.
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I was talking about the MEU QECs. How did we get sidetracked into talking about RW techs?
Anyway, you just described an effect that is FTL, unless "at the same time" doesn't actually mean at the same time.
Effectively it is FTL, but not in the sense that the other poster to which I responded was talking about. He thought that somehow FTL meant that paradoxes were involved. However, causality is not violated. The EPR paradox turned out to be false.
I'm definitely in the same camp as the OP. Remove FTL comms (possibly a single QEC connecting you to your home base) and don't have any Mass Relay-esque "fast" FTL travel. Keep our ships travelling at "normal" FTL (10-15ly/d IIRC), and have interstellar communications accomplished by having ships physically take the messages between systems. Make the setting feel big. Make both distance and time seem meaningful. Make Andromeda feel like the Age of Discovery (IN SPACE of course).
Oh, so now we killed an entire galaxy? How about no?
You're forgetting the Refusal ending, which didn't use the Crucible.
No contact is the best solution.
One can argue that we killed a half of the galaxy or more no matter the ending. And refusal ending = Shepard death ending in ME2 = multiple game over endings in DAI = never happened.
I wonder how is it possible. I mean, if ME3 level of tech already allowed to travel to another galaxy, there should be even more travellers in the future. Especially in non-red endings.
If I was to ever give the show Enterprise some kudos, I did like how they established early in Season 1 that they were routinely dropping off subspace comm buoys to allow the ship to stay in contact with Earth, which in the same episode was destroyed by a hostile alien race, forcing them to backtrack for some time to replace it and restore communications.
Or how in Season 3, the Delphic Expanse had weird properties that meant that communication was impossible to maintain with Earth, so that we finally got the sense that this really was a lone ship on the frontier and that any backup was dozens of light-years (and several months) behind them.
It'd be cool if they set up something like that in this game, that we were dropping off signal boosters to maintain contact, which enemy factions might destroy to try to cripple our attempts to explore and colonise that particular region of space.
A big theme of Andromeda appears to be exploration. That theme needs a sense of remoteness, and it's hard to feel remote when you can just phone home. More, the game will likely want to call upon us to make major decisions, which will likely make more sense if we can't simply hold a conversation with our superiors.
From a lore point of view, the conventional FTL communication net wouldn't be present in newly discovered territory. Quantum Entanglement communication would still work, but it's supposed to be rare... so I think we could say that our ship didn't have it?
I agree. In the show Stargate Atlantis the characters traveled to a new galaxy and had no way to communicate home until the end of the first season. Their situation was really interesting in that first season because they could only rely on themselves, the allies they made, and the resources they could find in that galaxy. I was really disappointed when they began to regularly communicate and travel back to earth.
If Bioware won't be adding new communication devices, then without relays colonists will only have QEC (which is supposed to be very expensive) and some sort of post drones. Our ship will have QEC to Ark/Main Hub/whoever-is-superior while small colonies and scouts will have to wait for "postman". Seems alright to me.
Though I suppose they start to construct relays in Andromeda, sooner or later.
Keep our ships travelling at "normal" FTL (10-15ly/d IIRC)
Most plausible option, judging by trailer and writers talking about how fast-travel from one corner of the galaxy to another made it feel small.
I wonder how is it possible. I mean, if ME3 level of tech already allowed to travel to another galaxy, there should be even more travellers in the future. Especially in non-red endings.
I agree. In the show Stargate Atlantis the characters traveled to a new galaxy and had no way to communicate home until the end of the first season. Their situation was really interesting in that first season because they could only rely on themselves, the allies they made, and the resources they could find in that galaxy. I was really disappointed when they began to regularly communicate and travel back to earth.
Yeah, Atlantis was a lot more fun and the stakes were higher when they were stranded in the Pegasus galaxy with no backup or escape. Having the Daedalus hanging out at times wasn't so bad as they had the several week long commute between Earth and the Milky, but when they started using the ZPMs to soup up the engines to make the trip in days, that really started to annoy me.
I didn't mind it so much in Universe because the crew on Destiny really were stranded without any way home and the body-switching stones didn't really diminish the threat or direness of their situation as much, because for anyone who used them, it was a temporary reprieve at most. Even figuring out how to take the ship of autopilot and repair the holes in the ship to make sections inhabitable again too until the second season.
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