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Can we not have FTL communication in Andromeda?


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#51
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That's why so many of us are betting on a single-use wormhole, either unstable or deliberately destroyed at the Milky Way end.

 

It'll be the usual science-fiction "Precursor#21043b Lost Technology™ that kickstarts the plot" trope we see in every sci-fi game. 


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That's why so many of us are betting on a single-use wormhole, either unstable or deliberately destroyed at the Milky Way end.

 

While I like the idea of it perhaps being an artificial wormhole generated by a "stargate" in the Milky Way, I'd really hate it if the explorers were reckless to send through a team without finding out whether the wormhole is tethered to any kind of gate on the other side, which could possibly send them home.

 

It'd be perhaps better if they knew it was a one-shot deal, but had been studying the Milky Way gate for years and hoped to try to build one of the other side, thus giving us a reason to be exploring and gathering resources in Andromeda to help construction.



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It'd be perhaps better if they knew it was a one-shot deal, but had been studying the Milky Way gate for years and hoped to try to build one of the other side, thus giving us a reason to be exploring and gathering resources in Andromeda to help construction.

Get back to RGB? No way. Everyone in Andromeda gets hit by an electroshock when they think about getting back.

And why would you need a reason to enslave natives and gather resources? It's fun by itself.



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While I like the idea of it perhaps being an artificial wormhole generated by a "stargate" in the Milky Way, I'd really hate it if the explorers were reckless to send through a team without finding out whether the wormhole is tethered to any kind of gate on the other side, which could possibly send them home.
 
It'd be perhaps better if they knew it was a one-shot deal, but had been studying the Milky Way gate for years and hoped to try to build one of the other side, thus giving us a reason to be exploring and gathering resources in Andromeda to help construction.


Well, people who are betting on the wormhole idea are also betting that it's a last-ditch attempt to escape the Reapers, so return capability wouldn't be very high on the priority list for the mission.
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Effectively it is FTL, but not in the sense that the other poster to which I responded was talking about. He thought that somehow FTL meant that paradoxes were involved. However, causality is not violated. The EPR paradox turned out to be false.

 

Yup, I completely wasn't poking fun at the topic at all.

 

You got me  :(


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Well, dude, it's cool that you read a Wikipedia article on it, dude, but I'm afraid that unfortunately for you, gushing about how great science and math is as is so common these days on the internet is not the same as actually understanding it, dude. I'm not the type to be impressed because you can parrot fancy little phrases like "Alcubierre drive" dude.

I've actually taken courses in quantum physics, have you?

Thought not.

This goes back to one of our prior arguments, David. As much as you like to accuse others of being an armchair scientist, it is quite clear that is exactly what you are. Now, admittedly, my background is in biology, chemistry, and medicine, not physics. But I was required to take many advanced courses in physics, including quantum physics. I am not a physicist, but I do understand more than Joe schmoe Wikipedia reader from the Bronx.

So, **** off.

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Actually....

http://www.techtimes...t-time-ever.htm

Sorry, but you misunderstood. I was not saying entangling large numbers of particles was impossible. I was saying it is impossible to utilize it for communication.

It is counterintuitive at first glance, yes. It SEEMS like such a thing can be used to transmit a message. But it can't. There's no way around it, I'm afraid.

Notice how, in that article, they list a number of potential uses for it. Communication isn't one.

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Given that they didn't manage to put limits on communication even in DAI (where it was explicilty stated that it took weeks to travel from place to place, but somehow news travelled instantly), I doubt they will in MEA.

I so wish they would, though.
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Without taking into consideration the Lore/Canon/Science/etc, I hope that communication with the MW isn't possible or doesn't happen.  I like the idea of being out on our own for this game.



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CEQ with the Milkyway can easily be prevented by saying whatever transmitter you brought is broken at either end, either in Andromeda or the Milkyway.

The Reapers hit a lot of comm relays of all types so they could easily have hit the Milkyway side, especialy after taking Control over the Citadel which is Before the ending. Also, Communication and information Before that Point likely wasn't comprehensive about the exact state of affairs in the Milkyway.

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IF Bioware recognizes their own lore, which they have been historically not fond of doing, then the OP is right. Comm relays, which work similarly to mass effect relays, would not be present in the new galaxy. Without them, communication can only travel at the speed of light.

 

Or the speed of couriers.  As long as you have FTL travel, you have FTL comms, one way or another.

 

But, it can be relatively expensive, relatively rare, and relatively memorable when it kicks in.  Message delivery could be actual message delivery, with a drone or somesuch visible, the possibility of lost messages, the possibility of interception, et cetera.



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Notice how, in that article, they list a number of potential uses for it. Communication isn't one.

 

It's my understanding that "communication" in the sense of "send a message from point A to point B" isn't a real potential use for it, but that "coordinated random action at great distances" can be.

 

Imagine a truly random 6-sided die that was magical and could exist in two places at once.  You can't influence how the die comes up, but every time it rolls, both instances show the result at the same time.

 

So if you have a code book that says "if it comes up 6, Fred bonks the alien on the nose while Janice steals its lunch", you could have what appeared to be instantaneous communication, but it's really instantaneously reading the collapse of a quantum state at two locations at once -- the receiving end of communication without any transmitting end.

 

Is that incorrect?



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Hm, I would predict that BW is not going to limit themselves to that extent. That said, limited FTL comms would be kinda cool. To a very small extent, this was still the case in ME1, where comm buoys had limited bandwidth (this was never an issue for Shepard though, since he was a spectre). But remember that salarian who called his brother from Novaria because he couldn't access information on Anoleis otherwise? Little tidbits on the side like this would be cool even if we are not affected ourselves by it.

Depending on how far advanced ME:A Tech will be when compared to ME3 Tech, I could imagine two scenarios:

1. The tech is not much more advanced and they only have FTL com lines to 1 or 2 fixed locations via QEC

2. We are building our own comm buoy network as we explore

 

In the end, I doubt it'll make much of a difference though. We will be able to call whoever we have to call whenever we have to call when the plot demands it. I am sure of that.

 

That said, it would be good if Admiral Hackett wouldn't call us EVERY single time we enter a new system. ;)